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11/05/2005 04:26:44 PM · #76
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Originally posted by keegbow:

Maybe you should read the challenge description more carefully. Nowhere does it state that the grain needed to produced from the camera settings and for what it's worth more skill was involved in the post production.

Once again you are wrong and misinformed. The challenge description is the how the voters make an assessment on whether the image is meeting the challenge or not which is the most important voting critera.

You have made your point several times that these winning images are not the type of images you like or would like to see winning competitions. That is fine for you to have that opinion but it is not what the site is about, your continued attack on images that used post processing which is allowed by the rules is getting a little boring for some.

Perhaps you may feel more comfortable in a more traditional or conservative photography web site.

One positive from hearing your outdated views is that these views always inspire me to keep on embracing change and to look forward to further change.


I am sorry you are so misinformed on my opinions on ribbon winners and what you call 'change'. Please challenge yourself to think about what is happening and why. The wonder of this site is precisely the freedom to interpret challenges and 'go at it'. The processing is not the issue....
11/05/2005 04:27:51 PM · #77
Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by azoychka:



Ha ha ha very amusing.....


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My advice to you and your argument is to use reason and discussion rather this....

Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:28:23.
11/05/2005 04:29:29 PM · #78
Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by azoychka:


ok


Are you still writing?


Hi mk

Actually I had it done last night and sadly I pushed post and nothing...I was informed that I had been logged out because of inactivity! So on reflection I have decided to do it again but a little differently this time. I will critique the first photo but again I would rather not. The first two have many flaws and I am questioning the point of analysing it. Really, this is a fun site with many friends, and that, may be more important than logical informed voting (evaluation) - (which in my mind is the worst type of assessment) of photos. Really, it is to learn and have fun and ribbons and results are secondary to that.


This is unfortunate. I was looking forward to a more informed view of the photos that you continue worthy and why, rather than continued and unexpanded jabs at the current winners.
11/05/2005 04:38:58 PM · #79
Originally posted by mk:

This is unfortunate. I was looking forward to a more informed view of the photos that you continue worthy and why, rather than continued and unexpanded jabs at the current winners.


Mk please help me understand what you are refering to. Please quote all my 'continual and unexpanded jabs' at ribbon winners.

I will critique the photo I was asked to, but it would seem in bad taste to do it today, on the photographers birthday....
11/05/2005 04:47:25 PM · #80
HA HA. HA HA HA!

Why is everyone Ha'ing?

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Do you even take yourself seriously? Is it not overprocessed when it's "fauvist". pffft.

Processing is simply an extension of digital photography, use it, or don't it's a tool nothing more.

Fauvists used exaggerated colors, not rainbow overlays. If you're going to get all snooty and originalist in your photography, best not to take a picture and enter it in a challenge in what you thought was the style of a group of painters that challenged traditional ideas on the medium.

I'm sure you can see the paralells with your comments, we break your "accepted" rules of photography all the time, and you cringe. Apparently, rules are only to be broken if they were broken before you were alive? Guess what, only the people that challenge the status quo today will be given a spot in the annals of art history 100 or 200 years from now. Try to wrap your stodgy ideas around that.

Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:48:04.
11/05/2005 04:57:34 PM · #81
Originally posted by wavelength:

HA HA. HA HA HA!

Why is everyone Ha'ing?

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Do you even take yourself seriously? Is it not overprocessed when it's "fauvist". pffft.

Processing is simply an extension of digital photography, use it, or don't it's a tool nothing more.

Fauvists used exaggerated colors, not rainbow overlays. If you're going to get all snooty and originalist in your photography, best not to take a picture and enter it in a challenge in what you thought was the style of a group of painters that challenged traditional ideas on the medium.

I'm sure you can see the paralells with your comments, we break your "accepted" rules of photography all the time, and you cringe. Apparently, rules are only to be broken if they were broken before you were alive? Guess what, only the people that challenge the status quo today will be given a spot in the annals of art history 100 or 200 years from now. Try to wrap your stodgy ideas around that.


Ok, one more time, thank you for posting my photo, but really please choose an example that does not support my argument. Processing is fine, yes it is fine when it serves a purpose, when it contributes to an expression etc. but it fails miserably when it is a fad and a cool habit that is 'in'. A processing 'style' does not fit every situation. It must be used wisely and with utmost care,,,,,,,,,otherwise Luke you will go to the 'darkside'......
11/05/2005 04:59:20 PM · #82
Originally posted by wavelength:

only the people that challenge the status quo today will be given a spot in the annals of art history 100 or 200 years from now.


Some of them. It is so true that an artist of the "conformist" persuasion does little.

11/05/2005 05:04:46 PM · #83
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by wavelength:

only the people that challenge the status quo today will be given a spot in the annals of art history 100 or 200 years from now.


Some of them. It is so true that an artist of the "conformist" persuasion does little.


The secret of course is guessing 'who' and 'what' the 'conformist' group is?
11/05/2005 05:15:52 PM · #84
Originally posted by azoychka:


Ok, one more time, thank you for posting my photo, but really please choose an example that does not support my argument. Processing is fine, yes it is fine when it serves a purpose, when it contributes to an expression etc. but it fails miserably when it is a fad and a cool habit that is 'in'. A processing 'style' does not fit every situation. It must be used wisely and with utmost care,,,,,,,,,otherwise Luke you will go to the 'darkside'......


Guess I'll just have to check with you then next time I decide to over-process a photo, just to make sure I'm processing in an acceptable message and expression for you.

Originally posted by azoychka:

A processing 'style' does not fit every situation


Do you even use logic? What more apt situation is there than an Image Grain challenge to use heavy image grain in? You are a very confusing person, and the vagaries of your very nature seem to go beyond anything but psychological help.

My quick assesment, you posted this, started down a path, and are too arrogant to admit that your wrong even to yourself. We've all done it before. It just seems from reading threads that you post, that it's simply your natural state of being.

It's like you're a pathological opinionist. As soon as you make an opinion up, it is actually reality to you, and nothing changes it... ever. Or is that just the way you behave on this site?
11/05/2005 05:17:05 PM · #85
i used film ;)


11/05/2005 05:19:38 PM · #86
Originally posted by azoychka:


The secret of course is guessing 'who' and 'what' the 'conformist' group is?


Which, of course, is to be determined by you. Oh, yeah, and the rest of us are wrong no matter what we think.

Maybe there are no groups, and we're just voting on stuff we like, and trashing on people because you didn't like their expression just sucks, and that's it.
11/05/2005 05:55:50 PM · #87
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by azoychka:


The secret of course is guessing 'who' and 'what' the 'conformist' group is?


Which, of course, is to be determined by you. Oh, yeah, and the rest of us are wrong no matter what we think.


I'm sorry, you are making no sense.....
11/05/2005 06:09:22 PM · #88
Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:

...it would be boring without the variety of stuff I see here. :-)


Very true!!
11/05/2005 06:28:03 PM · #89
Originally posted by suemack:

Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:

...it would be boring without the variety of stuff I see here. :-)


Very true!!


Yes, very true...
11/05/2005 09:51:26 PM · #90


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Message edited by author 2005-11-05 22:02:26.
11/06/2005 01:32:20 AM · #91
Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by azoychka:



Ha ha ha very amusing.....


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My advice to you and your argument is to use reason and discussion rather this....


I'm just a kid at heart

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But aren't we all....Ha ha ha very amusing

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 01:33:39.
11/06/2005 01:47:59 AM · #92
Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by wavelength:

only the people that challenge the status quo today will be given a spot in the annals of art history 100 or 200 years from now.


Some of them. It is so true that an artist of the "conformist" persuasion does little.


The secret of course is guessing 'who' and 'what' the 'conformist' group is?


No.

You need not guess anything unless you are an invester. And to think "group" almost always puts one in the conformist camp. To think on ones own and follow what one feels to be true, dispite (but not because of or in reaction to) what anyone else says or does is to create art. Of course great art is never created in a vacuum, and there will (and should) be influences, but those influences should not be of the peer pressure or money oriented genre.

Joey is a 16 year old kid with a great imagination and a whole lot of drive. If he doesn't change his life goals or burn out at some point he may well be the next Rodriguez, or perhaps even surpass him.
11/06/2005 08:06:59 AM · #93
What was the topic of this thread? Oh yes, image grain and who did it in camera:)
11/06/2005 08:29:41 AM · #94
Originally posted by nsbca7:

t he may well be the next Rodriguez, or perhaps even surpass him.


Got to love those Bears! What a defence.....
11/06/2005 08:30:43 AM · #95
Originally posted by aguapreta:

What was the topic of this thread? Oh yes, image grain and who did it in camera:)


me....oops I already said that...

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 09:38:06.
11/06/2005 08:44:10 AM · #96
Originally posted by nsbca7:

No.
And to think "group" almost always puts one in the conformist camp.


How so? Why? Are you implying 'to think' is the antithesis of creativity?

11/06/2005 02:17:22 PM · #97
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11/06/2005 02:54:37 PM · #98
thank you di53

Originally posted by di53:

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Well here goes....some considerations when ‘looking’ at a picture etc. I will be brief and present a short list of addressable issues regarding this piece...
Would be best to have this as a print. Not always easy from one screen to another...oh well...
Considerations:
Technical Quality
camera setting unknown
processing obscures ‘photographic’ considerations
image density in highlights/shadows diminished
dodging/burning exaggerated

Composition
focal point inconclusive
lighting inconsistent
colour quality not uniform throughout image
directional lines confusing
horizon tilt
foreground/background merge
quality of image concerns
cropping questions

Subject
unclear
imagery questions
appropriate for challenge?

Meaning
confusing event
unclear meaning or significance to title

A different crop would do wonders for this picture. Is it the ‘blue ribbon’ photo? It is what it is but, it could be so much better...as you can see below...

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Message edited by author 2005-11-06 14:55:49.
11/06/2005 02:54:39 PM · #99

So, how to evaluate a photo? Some things to consider...

A. Technical Quality
B. Visual Content/Composition
C. Subject
D. Creativity/Originality
E. Meaning (how about a little 'soul') [/quote]

Do your 7 (and I think I saw another one yesterday, so probably 8) Kewpie photos have any of the above?

11/06/2005 03:00:01 PM · #100
A ribbon photo has earned the honour of being discussed and sometimes contested. It's accomplishment does not change. Voters have decided. But what a great opportunity for learning...they will survive the praise and the critical 'eye'....

Originally posted by chaimelle:

So, how to evaluate a photo? Some things to consider...

A. Technical Quality
B. Visual Content/Composition
C. Subject
D. Creativity/Originality
E. Meaning (how about a little 'soul')


Do your 7 (and I think I saw another one yesterday, so probably 8) Kewpie photos have any of the above? [/quote]

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 15:01:12.
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