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Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/29/2002 10:33:20 PM · #3

That's great! "Ugly". You can sure learn alot from such insights. I submitted a bad picture this week just to see what the reaction would be. You know, Sunday night and no entry, take a snap shot and submit one just for the hell of it. I was hoping for stupid comments, but nothing too dumb so far. I got 12 comments and they're all positive. I was predicted a 4.3 before the challenge in an earlier forum and I'm pretty much bang on (average 4.23 sor far). It was fun to go in with such low expectations. I think I'll do it once in a while just for fun. I'll do alot better in the "blue" challenge. I'll try my concept out tomorrow morning. Should be pretty neat.

Have fun.

alanfreed

Nikon D6

11/30/2002 12:03:42 AM · #4

Originally posted by Jacko:
I submitted a bad picture this week just to see what the reaction would be

You know, that brings up an interesting point. Oftentimes people here will suggest that "if you don't have a good shot, don't submit it." But... if you're submitting a "bad" shot with the knowledge that it's not great and the expectation that it will get hammered, you're probably actually doing some people a favor here.

I believe that it's just as easy to learn technique from viewing a bad shot as it is to learn from a good shot. I might even go so far as to say that people here could learn more from viewing bad shots than good ones!

When the week begins, I usually head to the top of the list first to see who won, but I always go to the bottom of the list to see what came in last... not to mock the people who did poorly, but to learn from those images and their respective comments.

11/30/2002 01:24:20 AM · #5

Originally posted by Jacko:
I was predicted a 4.3 before the challenge in an earlier forum and I'm pretty much bang on (average 4.23 sor far).

you know what's bad? that's about what i got on the last photo i sbumitted, which, if you ask me, is one the most artistically interesting and best pictures i have ever taken.

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

11/30/2002 01:42:55 AM · #6

Originally posted by Arachnophilia:
Originally posted by Jacko:
[i]I was predicted a 4.3 before the challenge in an earlier forum and I'm pretty much bang on (average 4.23 sor far).

you know what's bad? that's about what i got on the last photo i sbumitted, which, if you ask me, is one the most artistically interesting and best pictures i have ever taken.[/i]

The average voter on this site isn't interested in art, and they're not even particularly interested in good photographic technique. If you want to score well, shoot an interesting subject. I've typically gone for good photographic technique over interest, and I feel that for the quality of the pictures I have taken I have been hammered in the voting. I'm at the horns of a dilemma this week - I've got two shots I can submit. I'm happy with both, but one has a lot of 'wow' factor and the other doesn't, but is a better photograph overall. I'm going for the 'wow' this week I think. I'm thinking there'll be a lot of it this week. I'm putting money on at least 5 shots of blue smarties dropped into glasses full of 7-Up...Wet stuff and bubbles. Wet gives a 2-point increase.

11/30/2002 03:17:17 AM · #7

hehe good. the next shot i'm going for involves water. and a pretty girl. *waves at gracechild*

hopefully that works out and i have the time. otherwise, another crappy flower shot for me!

here. look at my photos. tell how much you see "good photographic technique" cause i sure don't use any techniques. i'm a firm believer in the random shot. the shot i submitted two weeks ago was random. the shot i already took for this week that might get submitted was random.

my photos are poor quality, out of focus, full of jpeg artifacts, composed funny, no rule or thirds, no depth of field, nothing that results in a good score here.

how do i take my pictures then? it's a bit of story. but i don't think like a photographer, i think like a painter. and abstract painter. the work that brought me into the digital medium was the work of a man named david carson. look him up. his newer digital stuff (for books like fotografiks, and nin's album, the fragile) is really intriguing. some of it is utter crap. but some is the most amazing abstract photography you will ever see.

first i tried painting digitally in that style. that didn't work. then i took samples of other photography, cropped, layered, messed with, etc. this worked rather well. so i decided i should prolly use my own stuff, not someone else's. copyright issues. you know. so i began sampling things i put in my scanner. this didn't work so well.

so i got a low-end digital camera, for producing samples to play with. but i found the photography aspect of it more and more interesting. and so now i take pictures, compose them like i would (digital) paintings, but in a single layer, and just crop, resize, fix some colors, etc.

and it produces results that i am quite satisfied with indeed. even if you people think it sucks. i like it. i'm not taking the style of another anymore, i've developed my own. and so i go for unique.

but the average voter doesn't seem to like that at all. ah well.

11/30/2002 03:28:02 AM · #8

here. this photo is one of my biggest influences, actually.

how well do you think it would do here? would it get comments like "ugly" and "oof!" etc?

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/30/2002 3:25:59 AM.

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

11/30/2002 03:30:01 AM · #9

I especially like this one...

//www.pbase.com/image/7541837/original

This was what I was referring to. There's a difference in this photo and one that's taken without a great deal of care - differences that aren't picked up on in a 3-second survey-and-vote that most people on this site do. They see a photo without anything glaringly obvious in it and hit 3. There are jpeg artifacts here, sure, but they're used well and for a purpose. There's a uniformity to them and the intent of the photograph doesn't suffer beacause of them...a critical issue. The colour and mood of the shot is beautiful. It does indeed look like a painting. I would have this on my wall. It's very well produced.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/30/2002 3:28:07 AM.

11/30/2002 03:37:36 AM · #10

:)

thank you.

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

11/30/2002 03:39:30 AM · #11

hey...send me an email...got a question for ya!

jamesdavison@yahoo.com