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06/18/2003 05:34:42 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler: I don't know if it's 'tension' or simply a lot of debate. Debate is healthy and I don't find it stressful. I suppose that some do though, but that probably won't change much. |
Yep! Debate is a very healthy thing, but don't you think that there is a risk that the atmosphere could change by the style of debate? It's that what some people have been trying to point out last weeks, I think.
(Not that I'm saying that we all should be nice and lovable all the time :)
Message edited by author 2003-06-18 17:35:33.
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06/18/2003 05:37:54 PM · #27 |
Then could we have a challenge for only flower shots? Then a challenge for only kids? And then one for only sunsets? You know, that way we won't be burdened by those recurring themes.
I think originality can be applied the same no matter if it's a photograph, book, movie, car, etc. So then time someone wants to scream unoriginal! look at your favorite movies, shows and whatnot. |
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06/18/2003 05:46:48 PM · #28 |
(note to other matt: i was kidding)
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06/18/2003 05:57:33 PM · #29 |
I think that each challenge should start with a clean slate and the images be judged on their own merit without carrying someone else's baggage. If you don't like water shots, or flower shots etc., then why vote on them? If I can't look at an image without a bias, I don't vote on it. I further think that if you can't say something constructive or positive, then there is nothing to be gained by saying anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the thickness of your skin, it has everything to do with respect to a fellow human being. |
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06/18/2003 06:28:29 PM · #30 |
I agree. Those who can't deal with seeing things that have been done before are never gonna have an open mind or be able to judge any photo on it's individual merit. That's unfortunate also. Pete's shot was, indeed, better executed than mine was. Too bad most people missed that element simply because they couldn't see through the technique to get to the photo :) |
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06/18/2003 06:35:09 PM · #31 |
A point to consider:
When you leave a comment on someone's photo, it directly reflects back on YOU as a photographer. Keep that in mind... |
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06/18/2003 06:39:21 PM · #32 |
Plagarize!
Let no one else's work evade your eyes
Remember why the Good Lord made your eyes
So just plagarize, plagarize PLAGARIZE!
Only, be sure always to call it, please, "research"
Tom Lehrer, Lobachevsky*
I myself don't even mind that this photo used the flag motif, even though it's not my favorite. It was an excellently executed photo and deserved a good score, whatever "good" happens to be in one's voting scale.
*Tom Lehrer and Nikolai Ivanovitch Lobachevsky are both real-life mathematicians -- one wrote funny songs and the other was a famous theorist |
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06/18/2003 06:43:11 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler: A point to consider:
When you leave a comment on someone's photo, it directly reflects back on YOU as a photographer. Keep that in mind... |
Excellent point. I have a bad habit of going to look at the galleries of people who leave "off the wall" comments....That usually puts things in perspective :)
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06/18/2003 10:01:51 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by marco: Yep! Debate is a very healthy thing, but don't you think that there is a risk that the atmosphere could change by the style of debate? It's that what some people have been trying to point out last weeks, I think.
(Not that I'm saying that we all should be nice and lovable all the time :) |
Maybe we should all be hooked up to blood pressure monitors. If the pressure gets too high, your automatically log off of DPC. =o)
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06/18/2003 10:34:50 PM · #35 |
i didnt vote on the magazine challenge .. but i think everyone makes great effort in each challenge submission regardless - it takes alot out of some people even just to share their work with strangers and getting comments and opinions from people they dont even know...
i know i'm here to learn and to have fun .. and if i see an image where i would like to try that technique i'm certainly going to try my hardest to achieve it .. and if that technique and image that i may have seen here fits that weekly challenge i'm going to submit it ... ya know ... John didnt write that tutorial on how he achieved his version of that technique just for his own enjoyment of taking time to do so .. he did it to share it with others so the rest of us can try it too and learn from him as well ...
i also do agree with the comment made earlier about what ever comment you do make on a photo .. that does reflect the kind of person you are and sometimes people forget that
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06/19/2003 06:09:12 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Fiver:
Originally posted by marco: Yep! Debate is a very healthy thing, but don't you think that there is a risk that the atmosphere could change by the style of debate? It's that what some people have been trying to point out last weeks, I think.
(Not that I'm saying that we all should be nice and lovable all the time :) |
Maybe we should all be hooked up to blood pressure monitors. If the pressure gets too high, your automatically log off of DPC. =o) |
LOL !!! Sounds like a great idea! :o))
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06/19/2003 09:22:28 AM · #37 |
"Plagiarism is basic to all cultures"
Woody Guthrey
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06/19/2003 11:18:52 AM · #38 |
My opinion: you did a very competent copy of one of the single most successful/ popular shots that has been entered on dpchallenge. Yes you did it slightly differently, but you used the same technique, on the same subject and entered it to the same web site.
I'm confused why you are then surprised and ranting about the fact that people called you on that fact.
Perhaps if you had used it more for inspiration and then taken it in your own direction you would have fared better, but as it is it doesn't end up seeming very original.
I know John didn't do it first but it still remains a very similar image to one that has won here in the past.
You did a technically good job (and better than John's previous version of this idea) but it doesn't demonstrate much originality and I think the comments you got (and the score over 6) reflected that pretty fairly.
Message edited by author 2003-06-19 11:33:02. |
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06/19/2003 11:52:42 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by myqyl: "Plagiarism is basic to all cultures"
Woody Guthrie |
"Good artists copy. Great artists steal."
Picasso
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06/19/2003 11:53:43 AM · #40 |
Posting cliches in the forums is ok as long as no one does cliche photos :) |
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06/19/2003 11:58:19 AM · #41 |
Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
The only way to learn a particular techinique it to imitate it and improve on the process.
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06/19/2003 09:36:01 PM · #42 |
You know how they say that you are your own worst critic? I THINK NOT! And you know, half the people that leave nasty comments are not much better photographers.....go figure!
Message edited by author 2003-06-19 21:42:52.
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06/19/2003 09:57:17 PM · #43 |
pnicholls- ARe you happy with the shot? If you are, leave it at that. 'nuff said. -BB
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06/20/2003 12:31:12 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by alexmfin: Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
The only way to learn a particular techinique it to imitate it and improve on the process. |
This is exactly the point I was about to make, although I wouldn't say 'improve', rather 'personalise'.
I trained, professionally, as a classical musician. Learning was all about copying, before combining elements to create one's uniqueness. True creativity cannot stand in a vacuum; it would be rejected out-of-hand. It builds on what came before it. This much is obvious. Why all the argument?
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