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10/13/2005 10:01:27 PM · #1 |
Had 18 comments on my first entry (highest one I have had scoring too, LOL) and had fewer and fewer as we go along. This time ONE whole comment so far (DrAchoo, obviously gave me below a 6 LOL) and that had to do with the title!! I absolutely KNOW that the pic fits the challenge, have NOT a doubt 99.9% of you would agree with that, yet my average is well below five and NOT ONE comment. Understand I could have done better, thought about a great way to add points to it about two hours after closing time, naturally LOL, but still ???? PLEASE TELL why you scored it low, otherwise I have not a clue, HONESTLY!!! I left over 60 comments on this vote alone (personification) and have not got that many TOTAL for five entries!!!
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10/13/2005 10:30:35 PM · #2 |
| kind of hard to say with no image to see- why don't you try posting it after the voting is over & I'm sure you'll get more responses :0) |
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10/13/2005 10:37:47 PM · #3 |
I have 2 comments on an image for pride that is currently at a 5.6. Comments may come a little later. You never know what or why.
People are less likely to add comments to an "average" image than a really good or bad one in their opinion. It seems that images that "have potential" but lacked in a specific manner are harder to comment on. There's so many images most times that taking a few minutes for each image you rate could be *very* time consuming.
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10/13/2005 11:17:07 PM · #4 |
| ditto to wavelength's response |
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10/14/2005 03:14:10 AM · #5 |
I've had 4 comments so far praising my 'pride' entry yet my score hasn't gone past 4.6, seeing as this is my 1st entry I am not sure what to really expect comment wise (whats a lot and what isn't) or voting wise but as a whole I don't really find it important. I submitted a photograph because I thought it fit the theme well and that over-all it was an above average picture and if it does well awesome, and if it doesn't I am not going to get upset about it and feel like less of a photographer :) It just seemed like fun to try it out. Comments help stroke the ego but they shouldn't change your initial love for the picture before you recieved, or did not recieve them for that matter.
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10/14/2005 03:23:56 AM · #6 |
| I am at 5.9+ in my Personification shot and I only have 4 comments. Go figure :) |
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10/14/2005 03:28:29 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by nephoto:
I've had 4 comments so far praising my 'pride' entry yet my score hasn't gone past 4.6, seeing as this is my 1st entry I am not sure what to really expect comment wise (whats a lot and what isn't) or voting wise but as a whole I don't really find it important. I submitted a photograph because I thought it fit the theme well and that over-all it was an above average picture and if it does well awesome, and if it doesn't I am not going to get upset about it and feel like less of a photographer :) It just seemed like fun to try it out. Comments help stroke the ego but they shouldn't change your initial love for the picture before you recieved, or did not recieve them for that matter. |
I've had 3 really good comments and a score of 4.36 and falling
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10/14/2005 04:09:20 AM · #8 |
| I'll jump on the bandwagon here. My score 4.7 and with two comments that actually liked it. |
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10/14/2005 08:31:34 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by nephoto:
I've had 4 comments so far praising my 'pride' entry yet my score hasn't gone past 4.6, seeing as this is my 1st entry I am not sure what to really expect comment wise (whats a lot and what isn't) or voting wise but as a whole I don't really find it important. I submitted a photograph because I thought it fit the theme well and that over-all it was an above average picture and if it does well awesome, and if it doesn't I am not going to get upset about it and feel like less of a photographer :) It just seemed like fun to try it out. Comments help stroke the ego but they shouldn't change your initial love for the picture before you recieved, or did not recieve them for that matter. |
Think you are wrong, for us anyway, do not need my ego stroked at all, though of course it is always a nice feeling, I am here to LEARN WHAT I DO WRONG and right too. When you score a photo low, there has to be a reason for it, if it is just "I do not like it", find out WHY and tell me, if you do not, I cannot see into your mind and find out so will probably make the same mistake again. If you do tell me, at least I have the chance to change!!! It is all right to tell me you think I cropped it badly, it looks pink on your monitor, the sun is blocking out the object , WHATEVER you see, PLEASE tell me. It is my photo and I KNOW what I wanted you to see, and I see it when I look, if you do NOT see it, how am I supposed to know UNLESS you tell me.
I understand the medium photos are very hard to comment on, and do not complain when someone gives me 3 to 7, or even higher and do not leave comments. That to me is okay. At least you saw something worthwhile in it and scored it accordingly. The 1' and 2's I know I have received is the MAIN complaint. Also understand that from some you will get a terse reply, sometimes even attacking you for your views, but those who do that usually are just reacting to hurt feelings - I have received a number of those, btw - and usually get over it quickly, most of the time regret it later. If you are here to learn and help (as I am, and I know a lot are), PLEASE leave comments - especially for the low scores!! No need to "stroke my ego" unless you really feel you should.
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10/14/2005 08:43:06 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by olddj:
Think you are wrong, for us anyway, do not need my ego stroked at all, though of course it is always a nice feeling, I am here to LEARN WHAT I DO WRONG and right too. When you score a photo low, there has to be a reason for it, if it is just "I do not like it", find out WHY and tell me, if you do not, I cannot see into your mind and find out so will probably make the same mistake again. If you do tell me, at least I have the chance to change!!! It is all right to tell me you think I cropped it badly, it looks pink on your monitor, the sun is blocking out the object , WHATEVER you see, PLEASE tell me. It is my photo and I KNOW what I wanted you to see, and I see it when I look, if you do NOT see it, how am I supposed to know UNLESS you tell me.
I understand the medium photos are very hard to comment on, and do not complain when someone gives me 3 to 7, or even higher and do not leave comments. That to me is okay. At least you saw something worthwhile in it and scored it accordingly. The 1' and 2's I know I have received is the MAIN complaint. Also understand that from some you will get a terse reply, sometimes even attacking you for your views, but those who do that usually are just reacting to hurt feelings - I have received a number of those, btw - and usually get over it quickly, most of the time regret it later. If you are here to learn and help (as I am, and I know a lot are), PLEASE leave comments - especially for the low scores!! No need to "stroke my ego" unless you really feel you should.
Jacque |
I'd like to offer a huge DITTO here! My voting method helps me comment on each I vote on, but it usually keeps me from voting on everyone. Even if I don't get the voting done at least they can possibly learn from my comments. I have noticed that some come back and comment later but some are just so eager to vote on all images that they feel comments are worthless (often wonder how they can even get a feel for your image if rushing to vote on every image)
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10/14/2005 08:44:52 AM · #11 |
It's not just technical issues that cause a shot to get low scores. In fact, I'm more likely to comment on a shot if there's a technical issue. Because it's easy to point these out (shot is too dark, colours look wrong, composition is wrong, no main subject, too small, distracting frame etc.)
Sometimes a photo can be technically okay. But there's really not much more to say about it. It's just not interesting to the viewer.
It's easy to write a comment about technical flaws, much more difficult to tell the person the shot just isn't interesting!
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10/14/2005 08:59:07 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
It's not just technical issues that cause a shot to get low scores. In fact, I'm more likely to comment on a shot if there's a technical issue. Because it's easy to point these out (shot is too dark, colours look wrong, composition is wrong, no main subject, too small, distracting frame etc.)
Sometimes a photo can be technically okay. But there's really not much more to say about it. It's just not interesting to the viewer.
It's easy to write a comment about technical flaws, much more difficult to tell the person the shot just isn't interesting! |
Are you saying you would give a 1 or 2 just because you find the shot uninteresting?
BTW, being a non paying member, have no clue as to the people that leave me comments until the challenge is over, but have to say that "HEATHER" left one of the best comments I have ever received here today - total now two comments left on this one - and I wish I could copy it here and show everyone what a comment SHOULD look like, but cannot for it gives away my photo and editing to the point it did not would definitly ruin the comment LOL. So, "Heather", whomever you are< THANK YOU SO MUCH !!! Can see your points - and even if I disagree with a couple, can SURELY understand your side!!!!
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10/14/2005 09:10:44 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by olddj:
Are you saying you would give a 1 or 2 just because you find the shot uninteresting? |
Sorry, I can't find where I said that.
Message edited by author 2005-10-14 09:10:56. |
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10/14/2005 09:17:18 AM · #14 |
Good, I am glad I was mistaken! I started this because I was getting low scores without comments, and specifically the ones and twos. You wrote basically it was easier to comment on technical faults for low scores rather than uninteresting photos. Thus my jump to conclusion you were giving out low (ones and twos) for uninteresting photos. Can fully understand a four for a dull photo without commenting, but a one or two would definitly not be nice. My apologies for misunderstanding!
Jacque |
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10/14/2005 09:24:45 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by olddj:
Good, I am glad I was mistaken! I started this because I was getting low scores without comments, and specifically the ones and twos. You wrote basically it was easier to comment on technical faults for low scores rather than uninteresting photos. |
My main criteria for voting are;
- Do I find the shot interesting
- Does it fit the challenge
- Is it technically okay
Probably in that order! - My main point is that I tend to comment where I see technical issues, as the photographer can correct these. But admitting to someone that you just don't find their shot interesting always seems a bit too personal to me...
So, I leave comments for low scores where I see technical issues, and for high scores where I find the shot particularly interesting.
I find I don't really have time to comment on every single shot in between. Which is why if you're floating around the 5.xxx score, then you'll probably get less comments.
Also, don't worry about the 1's and the 2's... you'll get these anyway no matter how good your shot is.
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10/14/2005 09:26:13 AM · #16 |
Unless the shot is almost perfect or totally off the wall, you get very few comments, especially between scores of 4-5.5.
Message edited by author 2005-10-14 09:27:03. |
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10/14/2005 09:32:29 AM · #17 |
Wow, I am all up for very few comments but I've had 161 votes, sitting about 4 at the moment and not 1 comment. It is very frustrating but out of 161 votes, I'm sure someone could have said something. I understand it may not be interesting (assumption from scores recieved) but at least tell me that. I know there are some pretty bold people here from comments I've recieved in other challenges.
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10/14/2005 09:41:04 AM · #18 |
I just commented on a few 5's and 6's. Sometimes if they are really bad, what can you say? "Start over with something completely different? " I hate being harsh, but so many are asking for critiques, so I've gotten a bit less kind and started really saying what I feel if the photo ranks low.
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10/14/2005 09:42:32 AM · #19 |
Wow, something is being missed badly here. I - really, honestly - do not "worry" about the ones and twos, I just want to know WHY so I can correct the problem IF (and I did say IF) I agree it is a problem. Why do so many people insist that it is the number I am upset about?? It is not. To me, giving out a one or two without comment is saying " See, I have power, I can try to make you feel bad without fear of reprisal!"
If this is now, or is to become a true LEARNING place, the extremely low scores not only SHOULD be commented on, but maybe it should be made a requirement to comment on any one or two vote? I did not come here just to make myself feel great about my pics, do NOT need this (or any other online site) for that. I came here to LEARN!! If you cannot see and understand that, I do feel sorry for you.
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10/14/2005 09:54:40 AM · #20 |
Update: On my 162nd vote, I got a comment.....See, I just had to put it out there!
With low scores, I am not surprised that it not interesting OR it is just bad picture but let your opinion be known. I agree with olddj that we are all here to learn. |
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10/14/2005 09:59:37 AM · #21 |
| I've had 8 comments a majority of which are good and something good then they point out something bad and my score goes down everytime I check it. |
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10/14/2005 10:06:12 AM · #22 |
for the ones i give 5's and 6's too.... if it fits the theme, technically good but not wow, but just seems boring to me...i comment "nicely done but its an average photo, and give score" or i say "this photo needs something, give an example and score"....i try to say what i like about the photo than what i dont like, or vice versa, then it doesnt sound as harsh. but there are some photos that are all around bad, and you wanna say wtf? or why are you wasting my time? but i dont want to be that rude, so i just say nothing.
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10/14/2005 10:10:05 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
My main criteria for voting are;
- Do I find the shot interesting
- Does it fit the challenge
- Is it technically okay
Probably in that order! |
As a point of reference, the rules specifically state "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." So you should be asking if it meets the challenge first and use that as the most important factor in deciding your ranking... |
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10/14/2005 10:13:24 AM · #24 |
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10/14/2005 10:19:26 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by jhonan:
My main criteria for voting are;
- Do I find the shot interesting
- Does it fit the challenge
- Is it technically okay
Probably in that order! |
As a point of reference, the rules specifically state "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." So you should be asking if it meets the challenge first and use that as the most important factor in deciding your ranking... |
Yes, I know. I read the rules as well.
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