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11/18/2002 06:13:10 PM · #1
" Your image is notin focus and therefore is not pleasant to the viewer."

sorry, but what i wanted in focus IS in focus. just because all you have is a disposable snap-shot camera that won't let you control the DOF does NOT mean that a shot with a shallow DOF is out of focus. this might very well be my last challenge. there are too many people that post shots that have NOTHING to do with the theme of the week, and comments like this just annoy the s**t out of me.

sorry for the rant, but i am just PISSED.
11/18/2002 06:58:06 PM · #2
Try not to let it get to you. One comment like that out of 300 votes is only 0.03% of the people out there (correct me if my math is wrong). There are always going to be a few sour apples among the rest.
11/18/2002 07:03:55 PM · #3
Scott, BigSmiles is right. When I joined a bit ago I too took the negative comments too seriously. I too almost quit. I found that 99.99% of the people on this site are great people. Don't throw away a chance of meeting some really great people over the comments of a single person. I learned to ignore the negative people unless they had a valid point and enjoy all the great comments I was getting. I can't change how people react to my shot but I can and did change how I react to those people. Give it a few days, I think you'll find it worth it.
11/18/2002 07:06:04 PM · #4
actually, it's 0.3%. still insignificant anyways.
11/18/2002 07:07:43 PM · #5
I got so many silly coments but hey! Only the educational ones matter to me. I'm here to learn and discover this beautiful medium called photography. If you're here for the same thing, then I think you won't find better out there. Just ignore the twits and have fun with the pics you take! :o)

Here's one coment on my fly shot..... "Wish the eye had been a little sharper. This one looks clearer in the thumbnail." And it just makes me smile. :o)
11/18/2002 07:13:16 PM · #6
good points :). i guess i'll stick it out for a while longer and try to ignore the jacka**es. thanks for the kind words :). i just wish more people would leave constructive criticism instead of cryptic 3 word phrases, or like the comment i got in the last challenge. it read "ick!!! i hate spiders!!!" LOL
11/18/2002 07:14:46 PM · #7
Hey all I'm getting this week are silly comments. But I expected that as I was just kind of messing around and taking the lighter side of dpc.


Just to clarify. Your spider shot was great. No real reason why it should have done as badly as it did.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/18/2002 7:13:01 PM.
11/18/2002 08:02:50 PM · #8
That's because in order to win on here it has to be clear :) that's how it works. It can't be slightly out of focus otherwise people don't get it with their commercialized brain.



Originally posted by Scott Loehwing:
" Your image is notin focus and therefore is not pleasant to the viewer."

sorry, but what i wanted in focus IS in focus. just because all you have is a disposable snap-shot camera that won't let you control the DOF does NOT mean that a shot with a shallow DOF is out of focus. this might very well be my last challenge. there are too many people that post shots that have NOTHING to do with the theme of the week, and comments like this just annoy the s**t out of me.

sorry for the rant, but i am just PISSED.



11/18/2002 08:57:28 PM · #9
I dont think it has anything to do with having a commercialized brain.
There's got to be a reason for the image to be out of focus. Selective focusing is okay but I think there's got to be at least one part of the image that has to be in focus. There's only one excuse for soft focus and that's when you have a delicate subject or a portrait. And that's intentional.

You can't tell me that having a subject purposely out of focus is adding to that subject. Lack in clarity is almost never appealing.
11/18/2002 09:05:51 PM · #10
Someone commented on half the photos last week(including mine) "Yup another bug out of focus" Im guessing he is still at it. someone give him a focus lesson.


Tim
11/18/2002 09:11:53 PM · #11
I don't think too many people voting here actually know that DOF is related to aperture and that a bright macro with a lot of depth of focus is often impossible under certain circumstances. I'd trade DOF for good lighting any day. Most of the shots here have horrible lighting (even taken using the fill flash...ugh) but score well despite it. I like depth in a photo, it's often what separates photographs from snapshots. Clearly you can't please everyone - all four of my submissions have been macro shots, and every week I get people who like the DOF and people who wished it had more. I liked my dinky toy shot this week for its shallow focus and the colour, textures and light of the foreground and the background. Yet, some people voted it down because of this. What can you do...
11/18/2002 09:22:12 PM · #12
There is almost always something you can do. Stop blaming your cameras for out of focus shots! If you understand how the camera works you can almost always work around that problem... yes even those of you with lower end cameras
11/18/2002 09:31:41 PM · #13
Yes, but what some people don't realise is that there is one part of the photo that is actually in focus, and perhaps it was meant to be that way!
11/18/2002 09:42:53 PM · #14
I don't think that personal taste has much to do with intelligence. Shallow dof is great if you have a good use for it. If you wanted to blur the background and focus on the subject for instance. However, most of your spider is on one plane, and there really isn't a bg. If you were looking at it head on and only had the fangs in focus then it would be different. I agree that you should have the entire bug in focus. I just don't think there is a reason not to, and it looks like a mistake. That doesn't make me stupid. We just have a different opinion. It's always up to you to make artistic decisions like that, but you can't get mad at people who don't agree.
11/18/2002 10:03:33 PM · #15
Nobody has mentioned that photography is an art and that the beauty one sees is "in the eyes of the beholder". If comments like out of focus bother you then I suggest you don't submit anymore and the problem will go away...for you at least. On the other hand you may want to take a different tac and say to h... with the negatives, learn from them and concentrate on the positives.
11/18/2002 10:50:15 PM · #16
I used to rant here too when I first joined...now, it's just not worth it. One of the things I learned is that you cannot please everyone. If you look at my photo from last week and read the comments you will notice that a few people told me that the DOF was perfect while others wanted more...go figure.

It's about what YOU like. If the shot works well for you, appriciate the fact that 20-30 people here also like it. That's my reward every week...counting how many people gave me an 8 or higher. Getting 5 10's to me is an accomplishment in itself. I will quit posting photos if one week I get 0 8's, 0 9's, and 0 10's.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/18/2002 10:47:46 PM.
11/19/2002 12:16:56 AM · #17
The amazing thing about this site is the polarity of the comments you will get on the same subject.

For instance, on my photo from last week (just click on the "Through the Eye" title under my userid), you will see that of the 17 comments I received, 6 of them commented favorably on the focus. Then one person (4th comment from the top) said that the focus on the subject was bad. (Do their eyes need to be checked?)

You have to learn to laugh at stuff like this. Seems most everybody gets at least one or two idiotic comments every week.
11/19/2002 04:33:25 AM · #18
Most of the few comments I've had (only been here a couple of weeks) have been fair and justified. If I can learn from them, great. I'm very surprised how the spread can be on voting. Do some people think that 1 is the top score? Amazing how the winning images get any 1s and 2s.

If you agree/disagree with comments recieved you can always add your own comment on the picture when the voting has finished to try and put the record straight.
11/19/2002 07:17:35 AM · #19
Originally posted by JamieWillmott:
Most of the few comments I've had (only been here a couple of weeks) have been fair and justified. If I can learn from them, great. I'm very surprised how the spread can be on voting. Do some people think that 1 is the top score? Amazing how the winning images get any 1s and 2s.

If you agree/disagree with comments recieved you can always add your own comment on the picture when the voting has finished to try and put the record straight.


If you think about it from the other side of the equation, it's interesting the lowest scoring photos gets 9's and 10's...;-P

Its about what people like. No telling if what you like will be what 300 other voters will like as well. Sometimes they do...sometimes they don't.

I guarantee you this. If you take photos of what you don't like or photoshop your photos in ways you may not like...you won't last long here...you'll get too frustrated and not develope you own vision. Just keep shooting and study LOTS of other photos and styles :-)

11/19/2002 08:35:18 AM · #20
I wouldn't submit a photo I didn't like, just to be popular. Always more satisfiying to take photos that you like. It's a bonus if other people like them too :)
11/19/2002 11:12:01 AM · #21
Scott, your bio page shows you have voted 706 times with an average vote of 1.661. As you obviously have so little regard for other peoples photos, how can you be so upset for a less than complimentary comment on your own.
11/19/2002 11:25:45 AM · #22
Explains where the 1s and 2s on the good pictures are coming from!
11/19/2002 11:55:38 AM · #23
Scott,
Not knowing what shot you are speaking of I am speaking off the cuff.
That said, you've got to take these critiques with a grain of salt. These are opinions and everyone's got one. I have had some pretty mean things said about my photos in the past. I consider any merit in these critiques and move foreward.
Remember, you are closer to your shot than any veiwer will ever be.

Consider the following statement from an article I wrote some time back.
"When we see a shot that we think may be good there is typically a particular portion of the image that appeals to our inner self. That is to say it presents in our mind an association to a memory or feeling. This is what people typically mean when you hear them say, “This picture speaks to me.” This is the foundation of the shot itself. Like any other foundation, what it consists of and what is built on it can be what separates the bad from the good and the good from the great. This is the base appeal of the image. The question that must be answered is whether or not it’s a memory/feeling that can be conveyed to those who view the image."
Remember, you are closer to your shot than any veiwer will ever be.


11/19/2002 12:58:01 PM · #24
Originally posted by BigSmiles:
I dont think it has anything to do with having a commercialized brain.
There's got to be a reason for the image to be out of focus. Selective focusing is okay but I think there's got to be at least one part of the image that has to be in focus. There's only one excuse for soft focus and that's when you have a delicate subject or a portrait. And that's intentional.

You can't tell me that having a subject purposely out of focus is adding to that subject. Lack in clarity is almost never appealing.


I totally disagree with this statement. There are plenty of reasons that you would want to screw with the focus of an image. Combined with other elements (lighting, subject, etc.) it can give a photo a very gritty or intense feel. Not every photograph has to be crisp and clear -- the roughness oftentimes adds to the effect and the impact of the image.

Think about famous photos in history (especially perfect for this week's challenge). The photo of Lee Harvey Oswald getting shot in the stomach. The photo of the Vietnamese (Laotian?) girl running naked down the street after her clothes had been burned off. The photo of the Japanese prisoner of war being shot in the head. Granted, these are horrible images in their own right -- but the immediate, grainy, gritty, blurry feel of the photos really adds oomph. I saw a video the other day of the Lee Harvey Oswald shooting -- I'd never seen the actual video. It was black and white, but sharp and 100% focus. And even seeing the entire act didn't have as much of an impact as that one quickly-shot frame.

This somewhat hits home to me this week because I submitted a photo that was not technically perfect ON PURPOSE. It was supposed to speak to the theme of the image and a lot of people missed that. I'm dying to get a little ribbon in my profile, but I'm not going to cater to mass opinion and submit what I consider an inferior shot just to get a few more good scores. I've gotten lots of excellent comments this week -- much better than most I've ever gotten, and to me that's the real prize.

I can't wait until this challenge is over so I can show some outtakes that are more technically pleasing. Hopefully some people will see why I went the way I did.

Just MHO.

-- Rob 8)
11/19/2002 01:00:28 PM · #25
PS -- Over 700 votes with an average of 1.66something I think is a HUGE insult to the people who really work to contribute to this site.
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