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11/22/2002 08:42:57 PM · #51
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jimmsp:
[i]Keeping the bump going.
Did you ever get a chance to outline a "media pass" ?


I think I'll wait now a little and make it compatible with DPC2. Any idea what the "standard" size would be? I might start the layout this weekend if I finish voting.[/i]

Is dpc embarking on the forgery business as a sideline??? :)

11/22/2002 08:54:00 PM · #52
Originally posted by Journey:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[i]Originally posted by jimmsp:
[i]Keeping the bump going.
Did you ever get a chance to outline a "media pass" ?




Is dpc embarking on the forgery business as a sideline??? :)
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I wasn't aware there was an original DPC pass to copy.



* This message has been edited by the author on 11/22/2002 8:51:27 PM.
11/22/2002 10:51:18 PM · #53
Originally posted by GeneralE:
As an excuse for bumping this to the active area I can report that I spent most of yesterday afternoon listening to radio reports of an armed bank robbery and a separate gunman/hostage situation within 2 miles of each other, and about 5 miles from me -- I decided my current submission is "good enough!"

Gee --- didn't you think it would be exciting to get a real life photo of a hostage situation ? Or were you afraid you couldn't get close enough for a good shot ? ;-)
11/22/2002 11:34:00 PM · #54
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jimmsp:
[i]Keeping the bump going.
Did you ever get a chance to outline a "media pass" ?


I think I'll wait now a little and make it compatible with DPC2. Any idea what the "standard" size would be? I might start the layout this weekend if I finish voting.[/i]

maybe a lamenated DPC Media pass could be sent out as a benifit of DPC2 membership? I would even pay extra to recieve my freshly lamenated pass... :o) we send the cash and photo, DPC sends us our media credentials ... sounds fair to me...

11/23/2002 01:45:12 AM · #55
Originally posted by cykhansen:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[i]As an excuse for bumping this to the active area I can report that I spent most of yesterday afternoon listening to radio reports of an armed bank robbery and a separate gunman/hostage situation within 2 miles of each other, and about 5 miles from me -- I decided my current submission is "good enough!"


Gee --- didn't you think it would be exciting to get a real life photo of a hostage situation ? Or were you afraid you couldn't get close enough for a good shot ? ;-)[/i]

Mostly I've just tried to make it a practice to stay away from anyplace (except a target range) where people are shooting guns -- maybe if I were a paid reporter... besides, I think that kind of "news" gets far too much coverage already. And I did have to go to my "real" job...
11/23/2002 11:59:59 AM · #56
hmm it says newspaper or magazine.... national geographic here I come!!! hey this is what I plan to do with my life anyways... of course by then I will have a better camera :-p
11/23/2002 12:08:17 PM · #57
My husband called me early yesturday morning around 8:00am and said to get my camera and come to Towers West (hotel), There was a ladie who wouldn't get out of her truck when it was on a tow truck. She was yelling, "I not going to let you tow my truck away!" The cops were there and there were people standing around, but when I finally got there she had got out and was placed in the police vehicle. Darn! Just missed a great picture. What am I going to do. I can't go a week not looking at my score.
11/23/2002 01:10:39 PM · #58
Originally posted by Sonifo:
...What am I going to do. I can't go a week not looking at my score.

you could always fake a photo... many such photos have been published over the years... I was going to fake one, but got lucky yesterday got a shot...
11/23/2002 01:20:10 PM · #59
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by jumpn2it:
[i]but then all those questions from the police, "Why did you have your camera in a bank sir?" I'd reply, "Here's my DPChallenge media pass."


any possibility DPC can issue us media credentials? that would be great! :o)[/i]

Here's a first draft I cobbled together in Quark -- it's now saved as a low-res JPEG, but once it's finalized I'll re-export it in high resolution. People can drop in their photo and type and print it out. I made it 4x6 so it can be printed on photo paper ($0.49 at Ritz/Wolf camera in the US).
I know there's a few other experienced designers out there too -- feel free to modify or offer up alternates.
DPC Press Pass - v.1 *** Link Temporarily Iactivated***

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11/23/2002 03:39:20 PM · #60
hmm concert photography is hard when you have 10 seconds of battery power left, you're a long way away, its dark, and the people on stage are bouncing around like they're on god-knows-what!

No results there unfortunatly
11/23/2002 04:43:20 PM · #61
Hi, Mark Lane from England. At the moment the best shot I've managed to shoot is a woman taking a nap on a park bench, I'm assuming she's homeless (hence the title of my piece) as she has no shoes on her feet and looks in a bit of a sorry state, besides, if she had somewhere to go she wouldn't be sleeping on a park bench, I guess.
Anyway, might get a shot of some striking firefighters tomorrow if I can get out to our local firestation.
11/23/2002 04:45:06 PM · #62
With them being on strike, would they actually still be at the firestation?
11/23/2002 05:14:27 PM · #63
Yeah, they man the picket lines and generally wave at the motorists honking their support.
11/23/2002 06:05:11 PM · #64
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
[i]Originally posted by jumpn2it:
[i]but then all those questions from the police, "Why did you have your camera in a bank sir?" I'd reply, "Here's my DPChallenge media pass."


any possibility DPC can issue us media credentials? that would be great! :o)[/i]

Here's a first draft I cobbled together in Quark -- it's now saved as a low-res JPEG, but once it's finalized I'll re-export it in high resolution. People can drop in their photo and type and print it out. I made it 4x6 so it can be printed on photo paper ($0.49 at Ritz/Wolf camera in the US).
I know there's a few other experienced designers out there too -- feel free to modify or offer up alternates.
DPC Press Pass - v.1[i] ***Link temporarily Inactivated by GeneralE***

At first pass, it looks good to me. Unfortunately I can't read the small type at the low res, so I can't comment on that.
I'm not sure you need the e-mail, except it would add support to the idea of web based media.


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11/23/2002 06:08:25 PM · #65
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
[i]Originally posted by jumpn2it:
[i]but then all those questions from the police, "Why did you have your camera in a bank sir?" I'd reply, "Here's my DPChallenge media pass."


any possibility DPC can issue us media credentials? that would be great! :o)[/i]

Here's a first draft I cobbled together in Quark -- it's now saved as a low-res JPEG, but once it's finalized I'll re-export it in high resolution. People can drop in their photo and type and print it out. I made it 4x6 so it can be printed on photo paper ($0.49 at Ritz/Wolf camera in the US).
I know there's a few other experienced designers out there too -- feel free to modify or offer up alternates.
DPC Press Pass - v.1[i] ***Link temporarily Inactivated by GeneralE***

At 1st I was a bit dubious about the legality of this, but after a little research, Sign Me UP!!! You may want to design a 'back' for the pass as well :)

Also, this link may be of interest to some :)


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11/23/2002 07:14:09 PM · #66
GeneralE:
Thanks for the Lonny Shavelson links - what an incredibly fascinating, talented and compassionate man - (I absolutely love his black and whites, they are wonderful). Thank You!!
linda
11/23/2002 07:21:20 PM · #67
Originally posted by myqyl:
At 1st I was a bit dubious about the legality of this, but after a little research, Sign Me UP!!! You may want to design a 'back' for the pass as well :)

Also, this link may be of interest to some :)


I guess there's nothing new...
The text at the top is the First Amendment to the US Constitution (with just a little formatting emphasis added):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
redress of grievances.

The bottom type reads:
This is not to be construed as an OFFICIAL PASS
issued by any government agency
11/23/2002 07:26:04 PM · #68
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by myqyl:
[i]At 1st I was a bit dubious about the legality of this, but after a little research, Sign Me UP!!! You may want to design a 'back' for the pass as well :)

Also, this link may be of interest to some :)


I guess there's nothing new...
The text at the top is the First Amendment to the US Constitution (with just a little formatting emphasis added):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
redress of grievances.

The bottom type reads:
This is not to be construed as an OFFICIAL PASS
issued by any government agency[/i]

how about if you delete the last part, "This is not to be construed as an OFFICIAL PASS
issued by any government agency".. let them think what they want.. as long as you don't imply your with a government agency, it should be ok
11/23/2002 07:34:28 PM · #69
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by myqyl:


I guess there's nothing new...
The text at the top is the First Amendment to the US Constitution (with just a little formatting emphasis added):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
redress of grievances.

The bottom type reads:
This is not to be construed as an OFFICIAL PASS
issued by any government agency


Looks good to me.
11/23/2002 07:34:49 PM · #70
I Don't think the first amendment holds much weight in the UK and other countries. I wonder what the legalities of a press pass are outside of the US.
11/23/2002 07:50:20 PM · #71
If you have a simple website then the Press Pass is perfectly legitimate. Press passes, per se, are not legal documents. However, if you tried to pass it off as, say, a press pass issued by an embassy or the New York Times, then you might cause yourself some issues.

I think it is a great idea.
11/23/2002 08:51:58 PM · #72
Cool, but a little frightening.. because I don't fully understand the rules about press passes....

11/23/2002 10:01:03 PM · #73
A press pass is actually nothing... Anyone can decide at anytime that they are a journalist and print up a press pass.

Press Credentials are another thing entirely... They are issued by the organizer of an event or a government agency to cover access to specific events and forging them can get you in all kinds of trouble.

I'm unsure about international law, but "Press Passes" don't seem to have any legal status at all so my guess is it would be as "legitimate" in the UK as it is in the US or anywhere... Of course the truth of the matter is it's not "legitimate" anywhere :) But it might get you past a rent-a-cop or get you co-operation from some protesters :)

DISCLAIMER : I ain't a lawyer and I could be wrong about any or all of what I've said :)
11/24/2002 02:06:49 AM · #74
Just because a press pass is "actually nothing", it is just meant to fool some gullible people into believing it is something. I won't get one as i don't like the idea; it has an aura of fake.

I see a (probably minor) potential for problems/embarrassment/tainting of the name for dpc with it. DPC issues the blank card and its name is on the card. Who's to say someone will not put totally phony info on it, try to get into an unauthorized event/facility with it, gets stopped/arrested by real cops, the pass is taken by them, etc?

In order to gain access to a facility once (people were incredibly concerned about security, don't know why exactly) for making some pictures I had to give my business card and that was fine by me. It made me feel more comfortable than if I had waved around a meaningless press pass that was really just a "joke".

After 9/11 everybody has become much more security conscious. That's good and I want to do my bit for that rather than trying to beat the system because i just, frivolously, happen to want to make some pictures in a place where i am not really authorized to be.
11/24/2002 06:17:06 AM · #75
I read some info on the web and in Germany it's like that: An official press pass (Presseausweis) can only be issued by a couple of journalists associations. You have to prove that your're a journalist as your primary occupation. So not everybody can just issue a press pass themself. You really have to be from the press. Otherwise the name "press pass" would be a bit silly ;-)

Some newspapers/magazines issue an emplyee pass, which just shows that the owner works for them. This is no official document and it won't get you behind police barriers or anywhere where "normal" people aren't allowed, but I think that depends on the kind of event and the person who stops you.

As far as I understand from your postings that's the difference to the US. The press pass actually means something here and thus you can get in trouble for counterfeiting an official document.

So far I called myself a "free photographer" when asked by police or so. But it didn't get me anywhere ;-)

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