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06/05/2003 10:50:12 AM · #1 |
| The reason why I take part in these challenges is to grow as a photographer... I believe that trying to creatively match each week's topic is good for learning new techniques and ways of seeing the world. Liquid (but not water) seems to me to have been a good opportunity to explore the properties of liquids in photos. Maybe this seems a bit harsh, but I feel that many people didn't really get the point of this by shooting liquids that looked very much like water... or coloured water without thinking about exploring the properties of liquids other than 'waterlike'. This is what has limited the scores I have given on many photos... rather than comment on every single one, I thought it would be better to leave a comment here... you all know who you are! |
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06/05/2003 11:02:40 AM · #2 |
| this was really predictable in my mind as to what submissions could be. regardless of what kind of liquid it is, people can only do so many things with it. a lot of these pictures would look better is water was allowed. i pretty much guarantee that the ribbon winners this week, at least many in the top will be pictures that are takes off of water shots that have been done before. i just don't understand why restricting liquid with not water helps the creative process. people were so busy trying to think of other types of liquids that their shots seem to lack technical strength. i think that is a sacrifice that would have been avoided if water was allowed. but then again i'm not complaining, just explaining |
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06/05/2003 11:05:49 AM · #3 |
I think we know exactly what we'd have got it water had been allowed, huh?
I agree though - there seemed to be a certain amount of searching for ideas going on.
Some good stuff too though.
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06/05/2003 11:07:39 AM · #4 |
I hope you didn't vote entirely based on that principle. I chose a safer subject this week and my primary goal was to make it as technically good as I could and keep it interesting. My pic isn't boring, (it's not the most exciting either) but please dont vote only based on riskiness and such.
While I do prefer to see photographers take more risks with their photographs I never penalize those that shoot the safe subjects week after week either. |
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06/05/2003 11:14:01 AM · #5 |
| I'm not giving a one automatically when I see a good picture using something that looks like water, but a good picture that uses creativity in meeting the challenge will always do better in my book! |
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06/05/2003 11:55:46 AM · #6 |
| I took a risk with my submission as I have done previously, tried to be creative and am scoring very low :( - I'm not so sure creativity and imagination are always rewarded, this may be why everyone plays it safe? |
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06/05/2003 12:12:13 PM · #7 |
I have to say that in the greater majority of shots liquid was incidental to the pic. Was this challenge not about photographing liquid? Not what liquid comes in? Or the 'hint' of liquid? I think the entries this week are well down on other recent challenges.
Just my 2 cents worth. |
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06/05/2003 12:49:39 PM · #8 |
| I didn't get a close look at all the entries, but only saw a couple that didn't really spark my interest. Most looked to 'fit the challenge' and Some were really great. |
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06/05/2003 01:05:31 PM · #9 |
Maybe some will argue the point, but it seems to me that: A technically good picture that's safe will usually score good. A technically weak (but not bad) picture that takes risks will score lower with most voters, but catch enough peoples interest to get some positive comments and not totally tank. A creative idea that's poorly exicuted will do bad. A creative idea that streatches the definition of the challenge risks doing really bad. BUT: A "safe" idea thats technically excellent will do really well. And usually, technically excellent shots that are also creative (as long as there's not a serious "definition" issue) will rise to the top. Of course, there are exceptions, but this is just my general observation.
I just say this because, during the challenges there are always people who will post "I was creative and got slammed for it". (And I'm not preaching, I've felt like that myself once or twice, until I looked at it a little more objectively.) I would suggest that most of the time you probably got slammed for the execution. In the end it's a photo challenge, and it's the quality of the photo that rises above the cleverness of the idea. Combine the two, and you're almost gauranteed to do well.
ToddH: I got a similar sense going through this weeks entries - maybe not on a majority, but on enough to get the same impression.
Message edited by author 2003-06-05 13:07:27. |
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06/11/2003 04:46:53 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Combine the two, and you're almost gauranteed to do well. |
Well, that's exactly the point!
A good picture can only be a picture technically good AND interesting!
If the exposure is wrong on this very original picture, then it's a bad picture.
If I have seen this perfectly well executed photography three hundred times, then it's a bad photograph!
You can't separate those 2 features! |
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06/11/2003 05:32:53 PM · #11 |
That's the second time I've seen someone say something about it not being about 'what liquid comes in'.
See, this is where I disagree. Liquid is in part all about what it comes in. 200 shots of liquid spilled on the ground and taking up the majority of the shot would not have interested me. A good photo of a cup of coffee or tea that's attractive and focussed on the 'cup of coffee' says liquid to me just fine. As do bottles of alcohol, containers of soda being poured, whatever. It's still about the liquid, which generally does involve the liquid's container (heck, isn't that part of the definition of a liquid, that it takes the shape of the container?). |
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06/11/2003 05:36:18 PM · #12 |
My liquid was coming OUT of the container and I know it got voted down for being a "cliche splash shot" - but I kept it because of the reflection of the splash in the shadow. I thought it was better than most voters did...but that's the way it goes.
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06/11/2003 06:36:33 PM · #13 |
I took a huge risk and submitted a shot of my 1 year old with a runny nose. It was technically good, met the challenge, but scored very poorly. That's OK, though, because I know images of children generally do poorly here. I submitted it for my own fun, not for scores. I determined that if I participate for scores, I have much less fun than if I participate for my own enjoyment. I've had some great scores and won a ribbon, and I've had some risky, but well done images score in the 4's. It's all fun to me, which is why I am here!
JD Anderson
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