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09/12/2005 09:22:47 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
Someone commented that I used too much neatimage and I don't even have neatimage |
me too |
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09/12/2005 09:31:08 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by gruvin:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Wasn't aware that this was "Color Plastic Portraits" Holy McDoodle. |
Couldn't agree more! I've just finished dishing out more 1's than I ever thought i come close too. I've seen some (presumably) beautiful faces destroyed by over zealous post tonight. Such a shame since some of the lighting and preparation in some of those 1's was really good.
Portraits, IMHO and despite what trashy magazines might have you believe (not to mention previous Portrait challenges on DPC -- but nothing like this one!) should be accurate representations of the subject. How tragic that as soon as someone looks "really" old, we suddenly want to capture every wrinkle, yet those with natural beauty in youth or middle age get mangled into some kind of plastic freak show. *sigh* |
so 'gruvin' i take it you must really dislike your bio photo?...
you say this in this thread : "To "portray" something anything but accurately in a "portrait", " then critise others for doing the same thing....and to give out 1's??... geez that hurts... now i know who was voter 55, thanks very much .... you just shattered my spirit....
i came to this site to gain confidence and photography knowledge.... not to be put down by others, you certainly aren't paying my wage, so why be so damn tuff?????
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 09:33:51. |
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09/12/2005 09:36:14 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
To me, this is a clear attempt to influence people as to how to vote on photographs exhibiting a certain characteristic or style. |
Even if this wasn't the intent, I believe it has accomplished exactly that. |
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09/12/2005 09:50:54 AM · #79 |
Can't we all just be friends again?
Hugs all around! |
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09/12/2005 09:53:31 AM · #80 |
| artyste... i just read your bio... so, because you've become bored with dpc and stopped entering challenges, you've decided to make it your mission to ruin everybody's else's time here ??.. well you've succedded.. congrats... |
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09/12/2005 10:02:59 AM · #81 |
If your goal is to make your subject look like a mannequin, overusing NI is the way to go. If your subject is indeed plastic and fake or you are shooting porn, then maybe a judicious application of NI is appropriate, but otherwise, it looks like crap if used with a heavy hand.
BARF!
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09/12/2005 10:05:19 AM · #82 |
| oh yeah I agree about Neat Image beeing SATANIC! |
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09/12/2005 10:15:59 AM · #83 |
| i personally havn't seen any over NI'd photos in this challenge at all.... out of focus yer... or 'too' much in the background taking away from the subject yes... but certainly not any 'mannequin' looking photos, to me their exactly how i would like my portrait done... cover the blemishes so i can at least have a 'nice' photo of myself for my kids to look back on when im gone.... i don't think thats too much to ask. To me a portrait is something 'special' if we didn't apply makeup or special effects to portraits, they would just be plain candid's... |
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09/12/2005 10:18:09 AM · #84 |
Excellent dialogue. I hope no one leaves because of the obvious shortcomings of this site. The act of growth and evolving takes time and often a lot of pain. The last two challenge ribbon winners as seen on the front page of DP clearly demonstrate how the quality of voting has suffered. Maybe with more of this type of discussion people will spend a little more time reflecting on what makes a good photograph? Enough of this self-adulation and 'who you know' stuff!
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09/12/2005 10:20:08 AM · #85 |
I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that, given your average vote case is over as 6 and would seem to show you must be pretty lenient and open to different styles.
I guess I'm one of those people you gave a 1 to, though I don't think my portrait is blurred to wax, just softened. You do what you want, it just seems that your only complaint about an otherwise good portrait is over-softening. Good composition, good subject, nice light, and a processing technique you dont' like equals a 1? Wow. Not calling you out, you have the right to vote how you like. Again, I'm just surprised given your high voting average.
Interestingly, my photo was doing fine in the 6's until this post came out, and then began dropping dramatically with each vote until it's now down at 5.3. Anyone who thinks it didn't influence voters is nuts. I understand it wasn't intentional though and he's got a right to start the post and say what he wants to say.
Originally posted by gruvin:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Wasn't aware that this was "Color Plastic Portraits" Holy McDoodle. |
Couldn't agree more! I've just finished dishing out more 1's than I ever thought i come close too. I've seen some (presumably) beautiful faces destroyed by over zealous post tonight. Such a shame since some of the lighting and preparation in some of those 1's was really good.
Portraits, IMHO and despite what trashy magazines might have you believe (not to mention previous Portrait challenges on DPC -- but nothing like this one!) should be accurate representations of the subject. How tragic that as soon as someone looks "really" old, we suddenly want to capture every wrinkle, yet those with natural beauty in youth or middle age get mangled into some kind of plastic freak show. *sigh* |
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09/12/2005 10:20:29 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
Can't we all just be friends again?
Hugs all around! |
:-) we're all friends here, friends with very different opinions ;-)
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09/12/2005 10:21:59 AM · #87 |
If pointing out the overuse of something is "ruining everyone else's time here" then so be it, I guess. I personally don't care either way, I'm neither for nor against the use or abuse of NeatImage.
Over time, people's tastes and tolerances for novelty effects and the filters du jour vary greatly. What many might have enjoyed seeing when photography and editing was new to them evolves into a different appreciation and understanding for more unique and refreshing approaches to the same trite subject matters we're presented with on DPC. Things get old, and we long for new. We become more difficult to "wow" because we've been exposed to it so many times we become rather jaded. That's not necessarily a bad or a good thing, it just *is* and I've accepted it as such. We often speak out about the things that bore us or strike us as overused or trite as well. Again, neither bad nor good, just fact.
I think all Artyste was doing was expressing an opinion and highlighting an overused filter that many of us old-timers are rather tired of seeing. You're all old enough to make your own minds up when you vote on pictures, so if the fact that he says it's overused has such an empowering effect on the voting process, I'm hiring him to be my campaign manager should I ever run for public office.
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09/12/2005 10:23:51 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
... I'm hiring him to be my campaign manager should I ever run for public office. |
You wanna be the President of the US of A? :D |
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09/12/2005 10:26:29 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by terje:
He has stated that he will no longer submit to challenges. So in that regard, he should purge his account and move on. |
that presumes that his contributions to this site thus far have been worthless and he's "just taking up space." i think that's a pretty arrogant attitude. there are a LARGE number of photographers who don't participate much here anymore, but whose contributions i feel still greatly benefit the site.
i myself have taken a number of "dpc breaks" and have found that it's greatly improved my attitude about the site as a whole. |
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09/12/2005 10:27:49 AM · #90 |
[quote=rscorp]
Interestingly, my photo was doing fine in the 6's until this post came out, and then began dropping dramatically with each vote until it's now down at 5.3. Anyone who thinks it didn't influence voters is nuts. I understand it wasn't intentional though and he's got a right to start the post and say what he wants to say.[/quote=rscorp]
thats exactly what happen to me... i was scoring quite nicely... then boom i went down hill fast, then seen this thread....yep.. he has a right to voice his opinimn unfortunalty...but brings down more than one person in the mean time....
i think im done with these so called rights and opinimn's.. i getting left out with mine, and going backwards from before starting here....
LAURIELBLACK... i agree with you, ""Over time, people's tastes and tolerances for novelty effects and the filters du jour vary greatly. What many might have enjoyed seeing when photography and editing was new to them evolves into a different appreciation and understanding for more unique and refreshing approaches to the same trite subject matters we're presented with on DPC. Things get old, and we long for new. We become more difficult to "wow" because we've been exposed to it so many times we become rather jaded. That's not necessarily a bad or a good thing, it just *is* and I've accepted it as such. We often speak out about the things that bore us or strike us as overused or trite as well. Again, neither bad nor good, just fact. ""
BUT please be lenient and patient with the newbies to photography that HAVEN'T been there yet.... i find im being smashed without even having a chance to play with so called 'old' ideas........
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09/12/2005 10:36:04 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by terje:
He has stated that he will no longer submit to challenges. So in that regard, he should purge his account and move on. |
that presumes that his contributions to this site thus far have been worthless and he's "just taking up space." i think that's a pretty arrogant attitude. there are a LARGE number of photographers who don't participate much here anymore, but whose contributions i feel still greatly benefit the site.
i myself have taken a number of "dpc breaks" and have found that it's greatly improved my attitude about the site as a whole. |
Maybe I did go a little overboard with my remark.. But he did say he was quitting, and after that I noticed "bs" comments being made by him, like the one on librodo's winning D&L entry. He also replied with "PISS OF" in a PM because I had a different opinion then him. And now this thread. I mean if you wanna quit, why start threads like this? Or comment negativly on winning photos? I think he should move on, and don't bother with BS comments, PM or forum posts.
Looking at his porfolio, commenting on Neatimage is like throwing a stone in a house made of glass. :-)
*spelling mistake
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 10:37:47. |
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09/12/2005 10:46:01 AM · #92 |
It is real amazing how threads start to get hostile and off subject. There are a lot of techiniques used, alot of different programs used to process photos. Not everyone has an 8 mp camera or can afford Photoshop CS2. Many use Neat Image because they learned of it here on DPC and then use the free download that limits it's capabilities. I believe that most people submit photos that they are proud of or like (I said most, there are a few who just like to be way out of the box for fun). I think most would agree that some softening of the human face closeup will help. Isn't that why women (and some men) wear makeup? I would hope that when we make comments about a techinique that we do so in the effort to imporve and the photographer takes it in that way.
I think most agree that a 1 or 2 or even a 3 vote represents a very harsh critique. If the photos is without a doubt bad then so be it, if there is an attempt to do right, then help with the critique. With a site this large mostly ran by volunteers, it amazes me on how much critisism there is. There are indeed some great photographers ... infact professional and there are most definately some first time snapshot photographers. Lets just try to respect each other. That said....if the photograph is absolutely trash then let them have it.
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09/12/2005 10:49:35 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Wasn't aware that this was "Color Plastic Portraits" Holy McDoodle.
People, honestly, your models don't have to look like they just gave from Wax Museums R Us to look good. Even if you're going for a polished "magazine model" look, some of you just.. woah.. My Scene dolls have more skin texture.
This is just a personal opinion, and I think many people are very tired of hearing me voice them, but I don't give a flying..
Anyway. Ouch. |
Haha, had a feeling this was your thread by the title alone. Oh well, the voters decide. |
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09/12/2005 10:51:57 AM · #94 |
| I think people should calm down a bit. I see many post saying this thread as a clear infulence on voting. Let me tell you that my challenge entry has no over softening at all and skin texture is quite obvious. And have a lost half a point since I waked up this morning. And since I was in the low 5's, half a point is quite a drop. |
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09/12/2005 10:51:59 AM · #95 |
Well, MY portrait is getting hammered with neat image comments, and it's of a middle-aged person, and I didn't use any neat image, so... I'm feeling mildly disgruntled but it will pass :-)
R.
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09/12/2005 10:54:04 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Well, MY portrait is getting hammered with neat image comments, and it's of a middle-aged person, and I didn't use any neat image, so... I'm feeling mildly disgruntled but it will pass :-)
R. |
See what too much makeup does ;)
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09/12/2005 10:59:49 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
Interestingly, my photo was doing fine in the 6's until this post came out, and then began dropping dramatically with each vote until it's now down at 5.3. Anyone who thinks it didn't influence voters is nuts. I understand it wasn't intentional though and he's got a right to start the post and say what he wants to say. |
Originally posted by roadrunner:
thats exactly what happen to me... i was scoring quite nicely... then boom i went down hill fast, then seen this thread....yep.. he has a right to voice his opinimn unfortunalty...but brings down more than one person in the mean time....
i think im done with these so called rights and opinimn's.. i getting left out with mine, and going backwards from before starting here....
LAURIELBLACK... i agree with you, ""Over time, people's tastes and tolerances for novelty effects and the filters du jour vary greatly. What many might have enjoyed seeing when photography and editing was new to them evolves into a different appreciation and understanding for more unique and refreshing approaches to the same trite subject matters we're presented with on DPC. Things get old, and we long for new. We become more difficult to "wow" because we've been exposed to it so many times we become rather jaded. That's not necessarily a bad or a good thing, it just *is* and I've accepted it as such. We often speak out about the things that bore us or strike us as overused or trite as well. Again, neither bad nor good, just fact. ""
BUT please be lenient and patient with the newbies to photography that HAVEN'T been there yet.... i find im being smashed without even having a chance to play with so called 'old' ideas........ |
I feel the same way, hun. :-( I was just trying something a little new and out of the norm. People can't seem to get passed this post when scoring on my image now. I don't really care about my photos, but I'm thinking it's possible that people might be writing off ALL NI photos even if it was the intention of the photographer to give it a fake/plastic/etc look? Given, a lot of them are just over processed (mine included, I learned my lesson), but if you look at the subject of some of them- I refuse to believe the photographer didn't realize what they were doing. All in all, I respect opinions (and TOTALLY agree about the "old" things comment) but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'll be pretty dissapointed if this topic hurts those deserving photos.
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09/12/2005 11:10:55 AM · #98 |
It sounds like an equal and opposite force has gone into schwing.
I guess that proves that the core of the discussions point is true and that is how easily voters are swayed by popular opinions(or styles).
The irony of the whole thing is that people who didn't use NI are being nailed for overuse. I'm sympathetic but you gotta laugh.
I had one comment that said...
"needs more cowbell..."
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09/12/2005 11:19:57 AM · #99 |
| No neat image on my entry this go round either. Some photos just need it, and some just don't. I like the use of neat image in some photos, but not heavy handed, still need to see some facial flaws/textures. |
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09/12/2005 11:20:46 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
The irony of the whole thing is that people who didn't use NI are being nailed for overuse. I'm sympathetic but you gotta laugh. |
I'm sure it'll be funny eventually, but right now I'm just hoping the thread goes away. |
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