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09/08/2005 05:30:27 PM · #101
I don't have kids but, honestly, if I did I wouldn't want them to be watching Bugs Bunny and suddenly a news flash comes up showing the corpses that were just found under a collapsed building or that have been floating around for 10 days. I say if you really want to take pictures of dead people, go ahead. Just be careful where you use them and for what reasons.
09/08/2005 05:39:31 PM · #102
I'll just say this, without an accurate and unhindered media there is no way to keep in check government and state officials who we elect, and therefore no way for democracy to work.
09/08/2005 05:55:26 PM · #103
what about the model release issue?
09/08/2005 06:08:06 PM · #104
Originally posted by gusto:

what about the model release issue?


Not an issue for journalistic content.
09/08/2005 06:26:36 PM · #105
Would you want a photo of your relative's bloated rotting body printed in a newspaper or magazine for you and all the world to see?

If you want to take this type of documentation, get your own boat and have at it. Just don't publish my family.
09/08/2005 06:32:04 PM · #106
I think they don't want the world to see just how bad the devistation really is. They are getting hit hard now. Imagine if people could see all the images of familys. It would get people even madder than they are now. Thats why they dont want anyone to take pictures.
09/08/2005 06:50:08 PM · #107
Originally posted by Travis99:

I think they don't want the world to see just how bad the devistation really is. They are getting hit hard now. Imagine if people could see all the images of familys. It would get people even madder than they are now. Thats why they dont want anyone to take pictures.


I think travis has put my thoughts here very succinctly. We're not talking about PUBLISHING them willy nilly, at least i am not. What I think ought to be allowed is documentation of this tragedy. That doesn't mean we interrupt saturday morning cartoons with them, but in appropriate venues the world needs to see what is going on there so that all involved can be answerable for their actions and their consequences.
09/08/2005 07:09:44 PM · #108
In an AP story posted on the Baltimore Sun's webdite at 5:10 pm it is reported that La. state officials have ordered 25,000 body bags. People across the country are still not aware of the magnitude of this thing.
09/08/2005 07:19:13 PM · #109
Originally posted by BlackDot:

No, I guess no-one would, or rather, I Hope no-one would. But to still be Allowed to, makes the difference to me.


They're allowed to regardless. The question is whether FEMA will provide them with the transportation to do it.

-Terry
09/08/2005 07:28:13 PM · #110
Not to get political, but let's not forget the half-rotting and bullet maimed bodies of Saddam's sons that were killed in Iraq were paraded around on national TV as well as the internet to show our "war victories" only a few months ago.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the freeze on publishing pictures of the dead in NOLA has something to do with morality.
09/08/2005 07:47:37 PM · #111
Originally posted by jayrod:

Not to get political, but let's not forget the half-rotting and bullet maimed bodies of Saddam's sons that were killed in Iraq were paraded around on national TV as well as the internet to show our "war victories" only a few months ago.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the freeze on publishing pictures of the dead in NOLA has something to do with morality.


*nod*
09/08/2005 07:50:22 PM · #112
Originally posted by xion:

Originally posted by jayrod:

Not to get political, but let's not forget the half-rotting and bullet maimed bodies of Saddam's sons that were killed in Iraq were paraded around on national TV as well as the internet to show our "war victories" only a few months ago.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the freeze on publishing pictures of the dead in NOLA has something to do with morality.


*nod*


*double nod*
09/08/2005 08:43:51 PM · #113
why should I (fema) provide you with transportation?
If you want to take pictures get your own boat and knock yourself out.

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by BlackDot:

No, I guess no-one would, or rather, I Hope no-one would. But to still be Allowed to, makes the difference to me.


They're allowed to regardless. The question is whether FEMA will provide them with the transportation to do it.

-Terry


Message edited by author 2005-09-08 20:46:07.
09/08/2005 08:56:58 PM · #114
Originally posted by David Ey:

why should I (fema) provide you with transportation?


Why would you (FEMA) be so eager to take ride alongs in situations where it is good for PR?
09/08/2005 09:45:38 PM · #115
Originally posted by jayrod:

Not to get political, but let's not forget the half-rotting and bullet maimed bodies of Saddam's sons that were killed in Iraq were paraded around on national TV as well as the internet to show our "war victories" only a few months ago.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the freeze on publishing pictures of the dead in NOLA has something to do with morality.


That comment isn't political...in fact, it removes the politics and unveils the ugliness that is sometimes labelled "exceptionalism".

So, arguments of FEMA's resources and Reuters' misreporting aside, have we ripped to shreds any argument opposing the view that photos showing dead bodies must be allowed to be taken?

Message edited by author 2005-09-08 21:45:54.
09/08/2005 09:48:59 PM · #116
Well, I'm not eager to take ridealongs myself....don't think they should and don't like paying for it either.

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by David Ey:

why should I (fema) provide you with transportation?


Why would you (FEMA) be so eager to take ride alongs in situations where it is good for PR?
09/08/2005 10:34:22 PM · #117
For a brief moment on tv they showed that there was a hurricane in galveston texas 105 years ago. The newspapers and media then said " This is the worst devastation in our nations history !!" Everything in the entire city was completely wiped out by winds rains and flood..8,000 dead-- why don't we heed these warnings,, why didn't we see this on cnn to tell us... it has happened before it was awful and it will happen again.. and people will survive ... and they will prosper and they will build again ... tell us the bad with the good make it equal... people think when the see the news that things are getting so bad blabla bla/// Things always have been bad with wars .. here in the past and everywhere around the world... we just have more access to these places now... but the problem is that because we have media access and money we forget that we are human.. we are vulnerable to nature and to other hurtful people.. these things can't be forgotten and they will always catch us offgaurd. I do think the government should be more concerned with people than with property tax. People shouldn't be allowed to live in these places right on the ocean. The govt should say... this is not safe for you to live here or where you are under sea level. People will get mad.. so... at least they will be alive. Or at least take a look at other cultures that do survive hurricanes ... are we so proud and mighty that we can't say... that we will take a hint of other countries engenious about survival. Thats what the media should be used for the good the bad and the ugly... not just the ugly with a little good thrown in every once in a while
09/09/2005 04:30:54 PM · #118
Disturbing event in New Orleans as reported by the National Press Photographers Association...

Especially disturbing is the confiscation of memory cards from Photographers...Censorship? You Betcha!

Message edited by author 2005-09-09 16:32:09.
09/09/2005 07:39:14 PM · #119
HOUSTON (CNN) -- CNN has obtained a restraining order to prevent emergency officials in the Hurricane Katrina disaster zone from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies.

Looks like this whole thread may be changing.
09/09/2005 08:37:16 PM · #120
Yes or no.

Is there any ban on photographing anything in the gulf coast? Is there a federal or local law in place?

Last night on the news I was watching the national guard going door to door looking for bodies. I was able to watch because there was a camera crew with them! Is there or is there not a ban on photographing the dead?
09/09/2005 08:45:01 PM · #121
I think the problem is that there is no over-reaching specific policy. That leaves the decision to individual law enforcement agents. Often when people are confronted with a situation that is beyond their normal sphere of training, they tend to essentially "make up" the law. I have encountered this many, many times. I remember when shooting video for our local FOX affiliate, there was a massive bridge collapse killing several people. The town was Webbers Falls, with a very, very small population. The local officials there honestly didn't know the laws about allowing the media on the scene and barred any cameras in the town whatsoever. It created a huge problem. I'm sure that these officials just don't know what to do. This is a clear lack of centralized leadership letting these troops from all over the country make individual decisions that should be made on a larger scale. This is also how the "CNN's" of the world can get shots that I couldn't. Because they have teams of lawyers fighting for their basic rights. This event needs to be recorded as thouroughly as possible.

drake
09/09/2005 08:46:49 PM · #122
So the problem isn't that you can't take gore photos of bodies. The problem is that some of the cops are taking the law into their own hands.

edit to add "some"

Message edited by author 2005-09-09 20:47:42.
09/09/2005 08:49:22 PM · #123
Originally posted by louddog:

Yes or no.

Is there any ban on photographing anything in the gulf coast? Is there a federal or local law in place?

Last night on the news I was watching the national guard going door to door looking for bodies. I was able to watch because there was a camera crew with them! Is there or is there not a ban on photographing the dead?


Democracynow.org
Federal Government Attempts to Block Press Access To New Orleans
In New Orleans the federal government is being accused of trying to censor the images coming out of the devastated city. The Reuters news agency is reporting that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is now rejecting requests by journalists to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims. In addition journalists are being asked not to photograph any dead bodies in the region. Critics of FEMA's request compared the policy to the Pentagon's policy that bars reporters from taking photographs of the caskets of soldiers killed in Iraq. NBC News Anchor Brian Williams is reporting that police officers have been seen aiming their weapons at members of the media. And a blogger named Bob Brigham has written a widely read dispatch that the National Guard in Jefferson County are under orders to turn all journalists away. Brigham writes QUIOTE "Bush is now censoring all reporting from New Orleans Louisiana. The First Amendment sank with the city."

Federal Government Seeks to Block Photos of Dead - Reuters
NEW ORLEANS (Sept. 7) - When U.S. officials asked the media not to take pictures of those killed by Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath, they were censoring a key part of the disaster story, free speech watchdogs said on Wednesday.

The move by the Federal Emergency Management Agency is in line with the Bush administration's ban on images of flag-draped U.S. military coffins returning from the Iraq war, media monitors said in separate telephone interviews.

"It's impossible for me to imagine how you report a story whose subject is death without allowing the public to see images of the subject of the story," said Larry Siems of the PEN American Center, an authors' group that defends free expression.

But on Tuesday, FEMA refused to take reporters and photographers along on boats seeking victims in flooded areas, saying they would take up valuable space need in the recovery effort and asked them not to take pictures of the dead .

In an e-mail explaining the decision, a FEMA spokeswoman wrote: " The recovery of victims is being treated with dignity and the utmost respect and we have requested that no photographs of the deceased by made by the media."

Continue reading...
09/09/2005 08:50:08 PM · #124
Originally posted by louddog:

So the problem isn't that you can't take gore photos of bodies. The problem is that some of the cops are taking the law into their own hands.

edit to add "some"


Yes...and also that there was a misunderstanding between Reuters and FEMA. Reuters published a report which made it sound like FEMA had banned photographing dead bodies which was false, according to a Reuters correction. I posted that story somewhere below as found in a sportsshooter thread.

Edit: Nevermind, I didn't realize that FEMA had now made an official statement. Those Reuters people sure are confused.

The real problem was photographers and journalists being threatened by the police.

Message edited by author 2005-09-09 20:53:09.
09/09/2005 08:57:17 PM · #125
On another note...the death toll is apparently now not feared to be as high as the cable news networks loved to report. Surprise. Wolf Blitzer made me friggin gag the other day as he was interviewing some official person who he was all but begging to spit out a number that they could flash on the screen.
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