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 09/02/2005 10:52:40 PM · #26
You guys win...I appreciate you being patient with me and making me smarter today.

I didn't think about some of the things you brought up, so thanks.

I still urge people to donate to humans before animals but can understand the numerous wonderful reasons to also donate to the organizations listed.

Message edited by author 2005-09-02 22:54:06.
 09/08/2005 07:34:02 PM · #27
I'd like to bump this thread again today.

Now that so many of the human victims have been rescued, news stories are shifting to stories of beloved friends left behind. These animals need our help. They need rescue, food, shelter, and compassion. These victims have no lobbiest in Congress to speak for them. They can't speak, they can't rescue themselves. We need to help them.

Imagine for a moment being forced to chose between shelter for your family and leaving a beloved four footed family member behind. What a horrible decision to make. Imagine having to leave a family member to an uncertain fate.

Imagine leaving a family member behind to starve to death or die of dehydration.

This is the decision, the guilt that many survivors of Katrina are going through. Please, find it in your heart to give them hope. The hope that thier lost family member may be returned to them. The hope that someone will rescue their pet, and give it a new home.

Donate just $10 to one of the orginizations on the list at the top of this thread. That money can feed an animal for a week. For one of us it's maybe two trips to McDonalds. If you can't do $10, do $5. That little bit makes such an impact.

I'm donating all my print proceeds through September to the Houston SPCA. It probably won't be much. But I know if it was one of my cats left behind I'd be praying for a miracle.

I like to think with my donations that I may be giving someone that gift.

Clara
 09/08/2005 07:39:54 PM · #28
Thanks Clara for the reminder. I can't even begin to imagine what those people are going through. I donated to both the Red Cross and an animal rescue organization. It wasn't much but as you said, every little bit helps and yes, the animal have no one to speak for them and they also need our help. I realize they aren't people, but in some cases, they are the most important things in some people's lives.
 09/08/2005 07:42:05 PM · #29
I would probaby die trying to save one of my dogs in the case of a emergency. Not stupid stuff but if my house was on fire I am sure i would make every attempt to save them. If one of my dogs were hurt and the vet says a expensive operation could help them. Here goes the american express! My dogs mean alot to me and there like kids.

09/08/2005 07:44:25 PM · #30
You all know they're going to start shooting the dogs left in New Orleans. Many of the dogs that have been left behind have probably been scavageing whatever they can find including the people who didn't make it out. Pretty graphic, I know, but that is the reality of a situation such as it is.

This is not from any news report or anything like that. I just know how a lot of people with a rifle in their hands would react to seeing something like that.
 09/08/2005 08:04:22 PM · #31
Originally posted by nsbca7:
You all know they're going to start shooting the dogs left in New Orleans. Many of the dogs that have been left behind have probably been scavageing whatever they can find including the people who didn't make it out. Pretty graphic, I know, but that is the reality of a situation such as it is.

This is not from any news report or anything like that. I just know how a lot of people with a rifle in their hands would react to seeing something like that.


you're always such a ray of sunshine.
 09/08/2005 08:04:22 PM · #32
I have an emergency evacuation plan that includes my pets. Both cats have carriers, and I have an emergency bag in my closet that includes my emergency supplies, along with the cats supplies.

Ready to Use Litter Box, 1 gallon of water, 1 week supply of wet and dry food, vet records since airlines or many shelters may not take them without current shots, and special collars with tags that have my parents number on them and "Reward if Found" engraved on them. Both cats are also microchipped.

Because emergency shelters tend not to take pets, I have three safe places to go if I have to evacuate. All three will take pets. Mind you, ClubJuggle will be sneezing a good bit, but he'll still take me and the kids in. :)

Overkill? Maybe. But I know that in an emergency (a real possibility in the DC area) I've given my cats every chance to survive. I can rebuild a home, replace things. I can't replace them. Take the time to think through what you will do with your four footed family members in an emergency. The life you save might be theirs.

Clara
 09/08/2005 08:12:37 PM · #33
Originally posted by blemt:
Because emergency shelters tend not to take pets, I have three safe places to go if I have to evacuate. All three will take pets. Mind you, ClubJuggle will be sneezing a good bit, but he'll still take me and the kids in. :)


Ah-CHOO! ;-)

-Terry
 09/08/2005 08:33:31 PM · #34
I know the last post was from a couple of days ago -- but I have another way to look at the situation....
I have a dog and in an evac he would take up as much room as a human... great dane.. and eat and drink and pea as much as a human and my kids adore him...
but if i was driving by and saw a family walking by with kids... and i didn't kick the dog out of the car and pick up a human or two... shame on me...I think that is a pile of crap... I saw people walking out of the storm wreckage next to people who were driving off with a couple of people and their stuff. Screw the stuff.. they should be ashamed of themselves.. what have we come to.. People would save a pillow and some blankets and some photos but not a little baby or small child.
I have an idea... next time their is an evac and their are people without cars.. they have a checkpoint .. an they fill every freakin car up and bus and boat and train with people and get them the hell out of there...
Which would you feel more guilty about letting die...your dog... or a real live human baby??? That's why you say they are -- like-- your kids....but they aren't are they??
 09/08/2005 08:39:30 PM · #35
The more I listen to people....the better I like my pets :)
*cough* did I say that out loud? :)



Message edited by author 2005-09-08 20:39:43.
 09/08/2005 08:59:07 PM · #36
Originally posted by 4ROGGYCHEF:
That's why you say they are -- like-- your kids....but they aren't are they??


Yes, actually they are.
09/08/2005 09:02:52 PM · #37
Originally posted by sher9204:
you're always such a ray of sunshine.


I do what I can to brighten everybody's day.

On a better note, when I was down in Coden last week I did hear a remarkable story.

Philip Morris Howard lives on the end of a road (at least it is now) right off of the Mississippi Sound in Coden, Alabama. He used to live in a Antebellum style house that he had built when he moved there in 1970 with his wife, two dogs and a tom. A few weeks before the storm a half grown dog showed up at the house with a broken leg. Phillip told me he figured the dog had been dumped off by someone.

The day before the storm hit Phillip sent his wife off to stay with relatives but refused to leave himself because he felt bad for the dog with the broken leg.

When the surge came in it was probably over ten feet high as it came crashing into the house. The house didn't hold. Very few in the area did. Phillip grabbed onto a wall of the house as it came apart and the crippled dog got op on it with him. There is a difference between a wave and a surge in that a wave simply crashes ashore, but a surge has much more water behind it and pushes farther inland. The dog couldn't hold on, but Phillip made it a good ways before he had to abandon his wall. He climbed out onto the tops of some bushes and then swam towards a tree where he stayed until the water subsided.

His rapid travels had taken him a good distance across marsh and a wooded area. He decided the best way to get home was to go north away from his house and through the woods towards the highway. The storm still raged as he made his way through the tangled bushes and downed trees. He ran into an alligator who was probably as unhappy with the current weather situation as he was and the two of them did the side step to avoid making matters worse.

When he got close to the highway he found a pickup truck that had been washed up and he climbed inside exhausted and slept for a few hours while the storm wound itself down. When he woke up he looked at his clothes and wondered how he was going to walk down the street with his shirt ripped to shreds and the legs and the crotch of his pants ripped away. He looked around the truck and found an old soggy long sleeved shirt and tied it around his waste.

It was a couple of miles by highway back to the place he called home. He said a lot of people drove by looking at him funny before someone stopped and gave him a ride.

When he got back he looked around to find that everything was gone.

Phillip still refused to leave. He said that all of his stuff was ruined, but it was his stuff and he didn’t want anyone else going through it. Two of his dogs came back later that day. He found the dog with the bum leg a ways back in the woods three days later, hungry and scared, but none worse for what it had been through.

Phillip never did find his old tom. Two kittens came up a day after the storm and made themselves at home. Phillip said that it probably evened things out.

Someone brought him a twelve foot travel trailer to live in and because he lost all of his guitars, I will probably go down and give the old man (looked to be in his mid sixties) an Ibanez that I have sitting here.

Message edited by author 2005-09-08 21:04:25.
 09/08/2005 09:03:46 PM · #38
I'd like to add PETA's Animal Emergency Fund to the list

You can donate HERE

PETA is HANDS ON with FEMA in the hurricane demoslished coast setting up animal shelters, fielding calls to put families back with their pets and PETA is petitioning government officials to set up future evacuation procedures for families who have animals.

We must do everything possible to ensure that those still suffering are helped and that all future official disaster-relief plans include evacuating animals with their human companions as quickly and humanely as possible.
09/08/2005 09:05:05 PM · #39
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I'd like to add PETA's Animal Emergency Fund to the list

You can donate HERE

PETA is HANDS ON with FEMA in the hurricane demoslished coast setting up animal shelters, fielding calls to put families back with their pets and PETA is petitioning government officials to set up future evacuation procedures for families who have animals.

We must do everything possible to ensure that those still suffering are helped and that all future official disaster-relief plans include evacuating animals with their human companions as quickly and humanely as possible.


I wouldn't give PETA a dime. Sorry.
 09/08/2005 09:14:02 PM · #40
Originally posted by 4ROGGYCHEF:
I know the last post was from a couple of days ago -- but I have another way to look at the situation....
I have a dog and in an evac he would take up as much room as a human... great dane.. and eat and drink and pea as much as a human and my kids adore him...
but if i was driving by and saw a family walking by with kids... and i didn't kick the dog out of the car and pick up a human or two... shame on me...I think that is a pile of crap... I saw people walking out of the storm wreckage next to people who were driving off with a couple of people and their stuff. Screw the stuff.. they should be ashamed of themselves.. what have we come to.. People would save a pillow and some blankets and some photos but not a little baby or small child.
I have an idea... next time their is an evac and their are people without cars.. they have a checkpoint .. an they fill every freakin car up and bus and boat and train with people and get them the hell out of there...
Which would you feel more guilty about letting die...your dog... or a real live human baby??? That's why you say they are -- like-- your kids....but they aren't are they??


Desperate people do desperate things....still doesn't make it right. If I read this correctly you stated you would 'kick your dog out of the car' to pick up people. Am I to believe that you would not try to find a resolution to be able to pick the people up and keep the dog? Because if you're willing to just kick the dog out of the car then you really have no business owning a pet. Now I understand that we are limited in communicating how we feel in cyberspace so I'm willing to believe that you got a little fustrated and just typed without thinking. (I do that too...sometimes need to take a deep breath and just re-read, calm down, then type)

Now before this goes any further....I am in no way saying...."Hey....I'm going to keep on driving, save my stuff and pets, screw those people walking with their baby in 100+ degree weather!" I'm just trying to be reasonable....not so black and white....there really is a lot of gray areas in life and decision! I promise :)

So please forgive me if I come off the wrong way. That is not my intention. My main concern is that people buy a pet, get tired of it and then discard them like they were garbage....unfortunately this is a real issue.

I believe someone mentioned giving to both. Excellent idea in my opinion. I like to believe I live in a great nation (not perfect!) and I like to believe there is enough to go around for everybody...including pets.

Just my $ .02 :)

09/08/2005 09:21:57 PM · #41
Yesterday on CNN I saw this lady totally distraught because she couldn't find her 18-month-old baby. Two days before during a rescue the father of the baby refused to be evacuated because he wouldn’t leave his dogs. He gave the baby to a neighbor on a bus and neither has seen their baby since.

That’s the kind of pet stories that gets my blood boiling. People need to use common sense. First priority both in efforts & funds should be the people, then the recovery of the corpses, and then worry about the animals later.
09/08/2005 09:49:43 PM · #42
I understand that many of you feel animals are a low priority. Respectfully, I would like to ask that those opinions stay out of this particular thread. We can start a new thread to discuss those topics if people feel the need.

Please, respect those of us who feel strongly that pets have the right to be rescued. I haven't walked into any other threads and gone on and on about the need to rescue animals. I've isolated those requests to one comment in the prints thread, and put the rest of them here. I'm working very hard to keep this thread positive, and upbeat.

In the last few weeks we've had several productive threads turn to mush because people feel the need to say left everytime someone else says right. This doesn't help anyone, and leads to a lack of community coheasion. Not everyone wants a rolling debate on every subject in the forums.

Please- can we limit this thread to the topic at hand. If you are so inclined, please consider donating to animal rescue orginizations. We can debate the rightness or wrongness of this elsewhere.

Thanks guys.
09/08/2005 10:25:10 PM · #43
Originally posted by blemt:
I understand that many of you feel animals are a low priority. Respectfully, I would like to ask that those opinions stay out of this particular thread. ... I haven't walked into any other threads and gone on and on about the need to rescue animals.

Thank you Clara! You said what I wanted to say much more eloquently than I could've.

I'm of the opinion that people are guardians of their pets, not owners of them. And anybody who chooses to abandon them or doesn't treat them like a member of the family doesn't deserve to have their loving, loyal companionship.

Message edited by author 2005-09-08 22:28:05.
 09/08/2005 10:38:35 PM · #44
I've removed a few posts that were a bit over the edge. If you'd like to argue the merits of pets vs. people, please feel free to start a thread in the rant forum (and keep it about the topic, not the people).
 09/08/2005 11:33:38 PM · #45
Originally posted by colyla:
The more I listen to people....the better I like my pets :)
*cough* did I say that out loud? :)


And I was thinking the very same thing.....
 09/08/2005 11:51:22 PM · #46
Originally posted by papagei:
Originally posted by colyla:
The more I listen to people....the better I like my pets :)
*cough* did I say that out loud? :)


And I was thinking the very same thing.....


Great minds think alike! :)

09/09/2005 01:07:48 PM · #47
Originally posted by mk:
I've removed a few posts that were a bit over the edge. If you'd like to argue the merits of pets vs. people, please feel free to start a thread in the rant forum (and keep it about the topic, not the people).


I think your completely out of line (MK), and your using your power to further your own opinion. The post(s) that removed had valid arguuments related to THIS topic. Even if the discussion had gone towards ranting, the whole topic should have been moved to the rant section not just the sensorship of a couple of posts. I think that several members of the SC have really become quite baised lately.
 09/09/2005 01:14:19 PM · #48
Originally posted by hyperfocal:

I think your completely out of line (MK), and your using your power to further your own opinion. The post(s) that removed had valid arguuments related to THIS topic. Even if the discussion had gone towards ranting, the whole topic should have been moved to the rant section not just the sensorship of a couple of posts. I think that several members of the SC have really become quite baised lately.


I'm sorry you feel that way. However, I stand by my decision. Clara respectfully requested that the thread focus on the topic at hand and not devolve into a debate about who is right and who isn't. That request was blatently ignored and people continued on with their ranting. It has nothing to do with "sensorship" [sic] - as noted, you are welcome to carry on in a new thread. And it has nothing to do with my personal opinion, although I know that's the popular thing to be throwing around these days. You'll notice that I will moderate the political threads when asked to do so and I don't even read those.

If you have further issues, feel free to shoot me a PM or report it to the admins. Let's keep this thread on topic, please.
 09/09/2005 01:23:55 PM · #49
Originally posted by mk:
Let's keep this thread on topic, please.


I do think that several posts that were deleted were directly on topic, but its not worth stressing about any longer.

Just curious are you going to do this every time a discussion goes off topic? Say for example when a discussion about pin cussion distortion turns to barrell distortion?
 09/09/2005 01:32:28 PM · #50
If it turns into deriding the original posters for being stupid and selfish and telling them they will go to hell for their choice of outreach, most likely. Sorry you have a problem with that.
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