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08/30/2005 04:23:03 AM · #1 |
I'm quite new to dpc and I'm wondering, what voting criteria you have. Why are so many good photographs getting low scores (1-4)?? Hey, there are 10 points to give, and 1 to 4 points is imo for really bad pictures advisable, but not for rather good pics.
My criteria is that I give generally 5 points to a really good composed picture. And then I look upon the details. Each detail adds 1 point:
- Clearness
- the Lighting
- Fit to the challenge
- Wow factor
- and its originality
So there are just a few pics I score beyond 5.
But maybe you could tell me, what your criteria are!
Edit:
Sorry for my bad english!
Message edited by author 2005-08-30 04:23:31. |
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08/30/2005 04:32:25 AM · #2 |
| Your english is fine. I was finding that my voting was getting tedious and kind of random and I didn't feel I could be fair unless I worked out a consistent system. So I have been working on my own system. It's still in the experimantal stage, I am going to try it on the D&L challenge, if it works like I want it to,I will let you know. Basically it is on a point value too. |
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08/30/2005 04:41:11 AM · #3 |
Here's mine:
Meets challenge - 4 points
Appeal (get all DCPers all hot and heavy) - 2
Originality - 1
Composition -1
Technical (sharpness, clarity, and color) - 1
Return Factor (if it makes me come back and look at it again over and over) - 1
I always comment too when an image receives a less than 4 score. It's easy to comment on the higher scores but it's valuable for others to comment on theirs when their score is sub-par. They need to know.
My .02 cents :)
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08/30/2005 04:49:30 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by pixieland:
Your english is fine. I was finding that my voting was getting tedious and kind of random and I didn't feel I could be fair unless I worked out a consistent system. So I have been working on my own system. It's still in the experimantal stage, I am going to try it on the D&L challenge, if it works like I want it to,I will let you know. Basically it is on a point value too. |
Thanks, that would be nice...
Originally posted by pixieland:
I always comment too when an image receives a less than 4 score. It's easy to comment on the higher scores but it's valuable for others to comment on theirs when their score is sub-par. They need to know. |
Yeah, that's right. And the comments should be constructive. A short "not in focus" seems a little bit hasty. |
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08/30/2005 04:57:28 AM · #5 |
I have 2 methods, in the first one, as soon as the photo loads, I look at my wall clock. If the second hand is between the 12 and 3, I give the photo a 3, between 3 and 6- photo is a 5, between 6 and 9- a 7 vote, and between 9 and 12- then it gets a 10. Anytime the second hand is exactly on the 3, 6, 9, or 12, then I leave a comment.
That is the method I use when my cat Bruce is not available to help me. Normally he and I discuss each photo and he helps me assign a vote and compose comments. He has a very good eye, and impeccable taste...although he is a sucker for a good abstract. But I trust his judgement and he has never let me down as far as you know.
...Oh, and he is also an awesome gator cat. In the 7 years we've had him, we have never once found a gator in the house!
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08/30/2005 05:22:05 AM · #6 |
Mine is similar to yours, except I also factor in whether or not the "rules" of the challenge were met. If not, the scoring starts a notch or two below your minimum. Meeting the "rules" means reading the challenge description and paying attention to other details like a 4 digit year title for Time Capsule or the &/And for D&L.
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's mine:
Meets challenge - 4 points
Appeal (get all DCPers all hot and heavy) - 2
Originality - 1
Composition -1
Technical (sharpness, clarity, and color) - 1
Return Factor (if it makes me come back and look at it again over and over) - 1
I always comment too when an image receives a less than 4 score. It's easy to comment on the higher scores but it's valuable for others to comment on theirs when their score is sub-par. They need to know.
My .02 cents :) |
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08/30/2005 05:23:23 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
I have 2 methods, ........ we have never once found a gator in the house! |
Tater, you are one impressive dude! You get your ass kicked in a serious assault, and in the same week you can come up with this wonderfully ridiculous stuff. You're my hero this week. |
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08/30/2005 05:41:04 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by johnny:
A short "not in focus" seems a little bit hasty. |
Well, I'm not sure about that one. I am on dial-up so entries take some time to load. To wait for an entry to load and then find that it is grossly out of focus is inconsiderate and annoying.
Yes, everyone needs encouragement ... but surely not for lazy, sloppy work in which no real effort has been taken. If a shot bombs and you have nothing to submit by closing time, surely it's better to not upload anything and to accordingly preserve your professionalism.
I would like to be able to cast a vote on every entry but that requires there to be some quality-not-quantity serious entries in the first place.
Message edited by author 2005-08-30 05:45:57. |
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08/30/2005 06:14:51 AM · #9 |
just vote as you see fit. this topic has been revived again and again and never really fruitful. well since you are new, you might want to keep in mind that 5 is average, not good. Good is when you vote higher than 5. I mean, its simple maths.
on a personal note, i noticed most people vote according to the score they are getting. I mean, maybe they think their photo is worth an 8, but the average he/she is getting is 5. so that may have given that person the mindset that 5 is "good" (he/she was thinking 8, remember?)
have fun voting and being voted on! |
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08/30/2005 06:27:18 AM · #10 |
Sorry guys, I hate to say it... but I vote with my gut. No system involved. If an image pops up and I like it, it gets a high score. If I don't like it, it gets a low score.
Generally I find that an image that meets the challenge won't get lower than a four unless it's absolutely atrocious.
Message edited by author 2005-08-30 06:28:45. |
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08/30/2005 06:36:43 AM · #11 |
No real system, but what i look for comes in three parts:
1. technical proficiency, which includes sharpness, exposure, use of depth of field, use of shutter speed when action is involved
2. composition, which also includes lighting in studio shots
3. subject matter, title, border and all the periphery... if the subject doesnt fit the topic, points are deducted here, same with the title being unfortunate or border being hideous... aside from that, this doesn't really affect my vote unless the subject matter really hits a note with me, in which case it gets a big bonus.
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08/30/2005 07:02:36 AM · #12 |
I use a vote of 6 as my starting point. It has been pointed out that actually 5.5 is exactly between 1 and 10, and since that isn't an option I round up. For me, a 6 is a good photo that clearly meets the challenge. I am not hesitant to bump down to 5 if there are any concerns at all.
On my first voting pass, I'll give a vote of 7 to any photo that meets the challenge and is above average. Later I review all the 7s and bump some up to 8, 9, or 10. Like others have said, I "go with my gut" a lot from this point on. These 8-10 scorers are photos that usually are technically strong IMO, meet the challenge well even if creatively so, and capture a moment with creativity and charm.
Most sub-par photos that make at least a passing nod to the challenge are rated 4 by me, but there are the rare 3s, and once in a very great while a 2. I may have thrown out a 1 a time or two in my 14,000 plus votes but don't really recall doing so.
I want to mention another principle I apply to my voting, and that is once I post a vote I won't lower it. I hate it when my entry scores drop and so I avoid causing that to happen for others. Once I score a photo, even if at second glance I think maybe it should've been a point lower, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and let the original vote stand.
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08/30/2005 07:04:34 AM · #13 |
I take numbers 1-10 put them in a hat. Pull out a number without looking. That is my vote. ;-)
Message edited by author 2005-08-30 07:05:02.
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08/30/2005 07:57:30 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's mine:
Meets challenge - 4 points
Appeal (get all DCPers all hot and heavy) - 2
Originality - 1
Composition -1
Technical (sharpness, clarity, and color) - 1
Return Factor (if it makes me come back and look at it again over and over) - 1
I always comment too when an image receives a less than 4 score. It's easy to comment on the higher scores but it's valuable for others to comment on theirs when their score is sub-par. They need to know.
My .02 cents :) |
I'm relatively new here also,and fully realize the value of comments for low scores(LOL-I receive many myself)..I've noticed in the few challenges in which I've voted,that there are inevitably a couple that appear to have been taken by the family pet;are so far out of focus the subject is a blur;and obviously don't remotely meet the challenge..They deserve a low score,but what kind of comment can you possibly give ?? I guess I could pass them by,but that wouldn't accomplish anything..How do the rest of you handle these situations? |
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08/30/2005 08:06:03 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
Originally posted by johnny:
A short "not in focus" seems a little bit hasty. |
Well, I'm not sure about that one. I am on dial-up so entries take some time to load. To wait for an entry to load and then find that it is grossly out of focus is inconsiderate and annoying.
Yes, everyone needs encouragement ... but surely not for lazy, sloppy work in which no real effort has been taken. |
Ok, the "not in focus" is one comment about my current submission in the dairy challenge. I've done a lot to take this photograph, but have the problem with the right focussing (when taking with "manual focus"). This is why this picture is not 'that' sharp! But it's actually pretty good imo.
I know that this is a subjective evaluation ;o) |
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08/30/2005 08:14:06 AM · #16 |
actually just simply voting (in most every challenge) - on what is in front of me. The picture is the only determining factor.
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09/01/2005 01:29:37 AM · #17 |
If I can imagine the photo hanging on the wall of a gallery, I vote at least a 5.
Gut feeling from there on.
Head-on flash or simply muddled images get a 2-4.
Annoying photos get a 1.
That is my method.
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09/01/2005 01:36:25 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by cycomerlin14:
If I can imagine the photo hanging on the wall of a gallery, I vote at least a 5.
Gut feeling from there on.
Head-on flash or simply muddled images get a 2-4.
Annoying photos get a 1.
That is my method. |
Wow! Such high standards just to get a 5 :) I hope you leave comments for those that you score below a 4.
I would love to quote one of my favorite photographers here but I'll just point him out. Read his bio. |
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09/01/2005 01:46:36 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by elderell:
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's mine:
Meets challenge - 4 points
Appeal (get all DCPers all hot and heavy) - 2
Originality - 1
Composition -1
Technical (sharpness, clarity, and color) - 1
Return Factor (if it makes me come back and look at it again over and over) - 1
I always comment too when an image receives a less than 4 score. It's easy to comment on the higher scores but it's valuable for others to comment on theirs when their score is sub-par. They need to know.
My .02 cents :) |
I'm relatively new here also,and fully realize the value of comments for low scores(LOL-I receive many myself)..I've noticed in the few challenges in which I've voted,that there are inevitably a couple that appear to have been taken by the family pet;are so far out of focus the subject is a blur;and obviously don't remotely meet the challenge..They deserve a low score,but what kind of comment can you possibly give ?? I guess I could pass them by,but that wouldn't accomplish anything..How do the rest of you handle these situations? |
I agree that there are photos that make you just say "What were they thinking"? But then again, I appluad these people because they voluntarily submit their images knowing the quality that comes from their fellow DCPers. I for one submit photos that I think is great but not necessarily viewed the same way by my friends here. Commenting on photos as such could be very difficult, I admit. But when you leave constructive criticisms about a "bad" image, you yourself learn from their mistakes. Look at how they can improve their shot. Maybe even request for a retake of the photo (if they have time and are willing). I do this quite often as well. Some of my entries have received low scores not because the concept was bad but due to the execution. I then retake or subject my image to PS and repost them and see what everyone thinks. It's great reading other people's comments and redoing an image and the same people comment back and say, "Ahhhh. much better Rikki"!
We have a week to vote and I highly discourage rapid voting and rapid commenting. I've seen comments like ??? or DNMC and think is this really enough for this person to improve when the very reason why they failed was not mentioned.
Again, just my .02 cents.
Rikki |
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09/01/2005 01:55:01 AM · #20 |
| The way I vote is base all photos at 5 and build from there depending on the photo. I find that if a photo really pops out at me and it just appeals to me then I will mark it highly. Points are added for good composition, focus etc....and taken off for the opposite. Titles of a photo don't bother me. A photo could have the most stupidest name but if the photo does it for me then I'll vote it accordingly. But, I don't think I could actually tell you how many votes I add or subtract because I don't have a system for that. |
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09/01/2005 03:31:23 AM · #21 |
pretty = good score
not pretty = bad score.... :oP
Art is subjective... I vote with a mixture of criteria....
Whether it fits the challenge, technical strength, and if it is pleasing to my personal "art taste"... hope that helps!
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09/01/2005 03:51:49 AM · #22 |
| My favorites get 10's and my least favorites get 3's. I don't give 1's and 2's anymore because I just feel bad. That's really all there is to it. There is no magic formula. |
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09/01/2005 06:35:56 AM · #23 |
I have gone from no system to very complex and many stages between -- now I just base my vote on one thing -- 'Do I like it?'
Deceptively simple, but very effective.
If I like it, I will then follow up with 'Why?'
I'm not interested in the "Why not's" -- find the "why's" and the "why not's" are easy; they are everything else. Why spend time looking for what I don't want?
David
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09/01/2005 08:23:34 AM · #24 |
| A photo really has to say something - good or bad - but say something to me. A photo that seems to convey what words cannot gets a high score. Photos that I see that make me ask "Why was this shot taken?", photos that IMO do not meet the challenge of the week, and photos that have spent entirely too much time in photoshop will get the lower score. |
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