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10/29/2002 09:04:57 PM · #26
Swash, please don't take this like a fight. I certainly am not. I just think that it is still up to the photographer to clearly convey their intentions. As voters we only have the photo to analyze and nothing else. As I have already mentioned I do give the photos a lot of latitude in regards to meeting the challenge. But in the end I can't help it if I just don't 'get' it. I think we are pretty much on the same page. Sometimes my tone comes across a little harsh in these forums. Sorry about that.

t
10/29/2002 09:19:18 PM · #27
there was a classic episode of M*A*S*H called "the Joker is Wild", in which BJ pulls off his most elaborate practical joke on Hawkeye - by doing nothing! Hawkeye is so tense, waiting for what never comes, that when the joke is revealed, he admits that BJ has accomplished his goal.

perhaps the photographer can do the same by claiming an illusion where there is none, and you go nuts before it is told that the illusion is that there's an illusion (huh?)
10/29/2002 09:30:18 PM · #28
Spidey, you have a good point, an illusion of illusion. Well, this challenge will see which of us really has a sense of the absurd.
10/29/2002 09:49:59 PM · #29
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Is anyone else having trouble voting this week? When I look at a photo, and I am not sure what the illusion is, I am stuck... I would hate to shoot a photo down that has an illusion so good that it can not be seen, and I would hate to give a photo a great score for a superb illusion that is not really even there... The challenge was to create an illusion to trick the viewers... well what if we do not know whether or not we are being tricked?

the challenge was illusions...period...it didn't say anything about "tricking" the viewer and what difference does it make regardless. I would hope that the majority of the photographers participating in this site are doing so for fun and to possibly learn something about how to take more interesting photos...I view the subject as a platform or idea to stretch the way my brain works and to explore new ideas. I am not really super interested in my score or what others think of my photos although sometimes people leave interesting ideas or helpful hints but overall I do this for me and me alone...I'm not being graded and I'm not winning any money for this so what difference does it make?
10/29/2002 10:06:19 PM · #30
I do like the idea of people emailing to explain a picture and then scores being adjusted with the explanation.

* This message has been edited by the author on 10/29/2002 10:05:10 PM.
10/30/2002 12:01:27 AM · #31
10/29/2002 (8:44:00 AM) - Image Modifications Post-shot Adjustments may be made to your image in a photo editing program, so long as the modification is applied to the whole image. This includes levels, b&w conversion, hue/saturation, sizing/rotating, cropping etc. However, no filters (or non-Photoshop equivalent) maybe be applied to your image with the exception of sharpen and despeckle, the two of which are allowed. Absolutely no spot-editing is allowed; the use of any type of selection tool is prohibited.

how do i prove that my pic was legal? or do I need to?
10/30/2002 12:16:23 AM · #32
Send in the original and any setup shots to the Administrators and they will certify it if they can.
10/30/2002 12:23:25 AM · #33
Originally posted by tracyanderson66:

the challenge was illusions...period...it didn't say anything about "tricking" the viewer and what difference does it make regardless. I would hope that the majority of the photographers participating in this site are doing so for fun and to possibly learn something about how to take more interesting photos...I view the subject as a platform or idea to stretch the way my brain works and to explore new ideas. I am not really super interested in my score or what others think of my photos although sometimes people leave interesting ideas or helpful hints but overall I do this for me and me alone...I'm not being graded and I'm not winning any money for this so what difference does it make?


Well acctually if you read the challenge it says and I quote, "Setup an illusion to trick your viewers.". As for what difference it makes to me, well I just want to make sure I vote fairly... If someone's photo is such that I can not tell the difference between what is real and what is not real, well then thats trouble... how do we know which photos are great illusions, and which ones are just a huge stretch... I am glad I started this thread because it has helped solved my predicament... I like the idea of commenting on photos I am unsure of and allowing the photographer a chance to explain the illusion in an email... seems to be the best and most fair way to find out which of these appearent non-illusions are really illusions... and perhaps even learn a thing or two along the way...
10/30/2002 09:04:28 AM · #34
Originally posted by Jak:
Send in the original and any setup shots to the Administrators and they will certify it if they can.

okay how do i do that? submit to admin that is?
10/30/2002 10:41:43 AM · #35
Yes, I will have to agree that there are a few images which I have also found difficult to rate. I thought I was the only one.... guess not. Guess this is one of those weeks which is really a "challenge". Good job to those that were able to acheive the right effects! :)
10/30/2002 03:38:10 PM · #36
Originally posted by evmariedogs:
Originally posted by Jak:
[i]Send in the original and any setup shots to the Administrators and they will certify it if they can.

okay how do i do that? submit to admin that is?
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Use the "CONTACT" link under the HELP Menu. You can send a note directly to the admins, and they will contact you with instructions for submitting the file(s) and details.
10/31/2002 06:48:13 PM · #37
A friend of mine entered a car photo this week that has paint that works like an oil slick in that it reflects every color. From one angle the car looks rust colored, from another red, teal or blue or purple. Sometimes it looks blue and purple simultaneously. Since the car appears to be every color at one time or another, and sometimes several colors at once, this paint color is called "Chrome Illusion - Chameleon Purple". The photo was taken in the spirit of sharing a neat visual treat by virtue of the photographic medium. It may not be a very well done photograph, and then merit only a 3 or so, but I don't think it should get a 1 based on the idea that it doesn't fit the challenge. I feel this is a good example of why we should be a little bit kind spirited to each other. Although the car is not really a good trick, like a magic trick, it's color IS an illusion. If anyone wants to see the rest of this truly amazing vehicle, go to the photographer's website after the challenge is over and click on the link there.
10/31/2002 07:23:24 PM · #38
Originally posted by janfries:
A friend of mine entered a car photo this week that has paint that works like an oil slick ...

I agree, it's unfortunate that the picture isn't great - a better setting would have helped a lot.
What kind of car is that? Although I'm not over keen on chameleon paint jobs it's one hell of a nice looking motor.

Paul

10/31/2002 08:02:48 PM · #39
I did this for myself, voted AND commented every photo this week, but I also did it for complete fairness to all entries. Everybody got a comment from me, any questions I had were fully asked and I signed every comment. I hope I have voted fairly. I have done everything in my power to do so. (But I will be busy all weekend doing next week's photo, so answer quickly, please)

Thank you one and all for your great entries! And thank you for putting up with me and my nagging complaints!!! And thank all of you that wrote to me, to explain your photos to an uninformed me. You all have some great tricks up your sleeves!!!!

Enjoy your weekends and see ya all in the funny papers!
10/31/2002 08:22:48 PM · #40
Swash--You voted fairly and informatively. Thanks for the input!
10/31/2002 08:27:18 PM · #41
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
I did this for myself, voted AND commented every photo this week...
Enjoy your weekends and see ya all in the funny papers!


Super job! Your deadline made me go check my comments (I try to wait until I have 10) and I will send you a explanatory note, but hope you don't change your score either way...I think your scoring is very fair in general and I want my score to reflect the original impression you got...you can write me separately to say if you WOULD have changed it if you want...
11/01/2002 12:12:03 AM · #42
I am having as much difficulty voting as I had deciding on a title for my photo. The trouble is that if the photo looks like what the title says it is AND it is an illusion, in many cases it is hard to tell what the illusion is, how it was made, and what really was shot and manipulated. Of course, in some cases the picture appeared as an illusion, but what if a picture appears normal but the effect was created by changing the image of a very different photographic object. We will all learn some important things here, i am sure.
Cheers all
p/s
11/01/2002 12:33:19 PM · #43
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Is anyone else having trouble voting this week? When I look at a photo, and I am not sure what the illusion is, I am stuck... I would hate to shoot a photo down that has an illusion so good that it can not be seen, and I would hate to give a photo a great score for a superb illusion that is not really even there... The challenge was to create an illusion to trick the viewers... well what if we do not know whether or not we are being tricked?


This discussion started on the 28th and people are still as confused on the 1st. This has been so tough for me. I too have not seen an illusion in some of them. Others seemed to childishly simple. I'vae only made 100 of the 150 and if I really thought about it I'd probably go back and start over on half of those. I'm glad to see that at least I'm not the only one haveing trouble. I was really beginning to feel stupid.
11/03/2002 08:37:09 PM · #44
Originally posted by lionelm:
Originally posted by Jak:
[i]In every case where I have not understood the image as an illusion, I have asked that the photographer PM me to explain. In this way, I can revise my scores upwards when I have a better understanding. I think I left nearly a dozen such comments, but have heard back from no-one as yet.


Somehow I do not feel this is right to have a personal communication with the photographer and then change the score based on the explanation.
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I also asked several how or what to let me know and I would apologize and adjust accordingly. We are to VOTE whether or not they meet the challenge. If I can't see the challenge met I give a very low score no matter how good the photo. If the photo is a 10 and they didn't meet the challenge they won't get higher than a 5. Now do you see why they should tell me what the illusion is and how they accomplished it. It would be a great boast in average if they took say 10 5's to 10 10's. You see what I mean. I have heard from non of them. Others have thanked me for commenting.
11/10/2002 03:48:03 PM · #45
I have not seen this particular problem or maybe I just missed it or am to dumb to understand.

I cannot get a thumbnail, "Death is eminent" to open when I click on it to vote. It switches to the voting page but will not open up. It remains a blank, white thumbnail. I've given it a one with a comment to the effect and have voted to disqualify it with this explanation also to see if someone can help me get it open so I can vote on it fairly. I've not been able to find a response to my questions or cries for help. Can anyone out there help me. E-mail me or somethings. I really like to vote and to be fair. Help please. PTL
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