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 10/23/2005 08:09:14 AM · #1
Originally posted by doctornick:
... While interesting, the dust-shake system should not be your main concern when it comes to selecting a system. ...

Why not? It is one of the things that differentiates the various brands when other factors are nearly equal. And not just that Olympus has it, but that they are trying to address with innovation a problem that no other company seems to even acknowledge. Quite a stark difference from Canon where they only want you to blow on the sensor; anything else is "send it in to us and we'll take a look at it" which usually means three weeks without your camera.
 10/22/2005 09:08:20 PM · #2
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
...While I probably won't be buying an SLR for a while yet, I'm reading up all I can about them. The thing that interests me most about the Olympus is the dust filtering system.


While interesting, the dust-shake system should not be your main concern when it comes to selecting a system. Yes you are selecting a system, not just a body...which company you feel has the greatest selection for your current needs and your future needs....which company has an upgrade path you are interested in...
 10/22/2005 08:55:26 PM · #3
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Not so sage. The Nikon kit lenses (for the D-50 and the one for the D-70) are actually not cheap $100 lenses. The original D70 kit lens, the 18-70, was about a $400 - $450 value. It now goes for something along the line of $340. Now the Canon kit lenses are definably $100, less in the after market.

Now with that said these arguments are the thing that is stupid. People need to stop trying to push off what they have on everyone else. The best advice you can give is the have the buyer go out and try these cameras out for themselves to see which one fits their hand, feels comfortable, has an intuitive menu and button system, etc. Everyone is different.


I am going to second the motion jb made so that it is balanced by having the support of a Canon owner. His post contains the best advice in this thread. Do your homework by researching online, there's lots of info available that is less biased than the opinions found in these forums. Then go to a store and handle your finalists. Don't be hesitant to ask to see several, and to ask lots of questions, even if you have no intention of buying from that store; the store clerks are used to it.
 10/22/2005 08:01:00 PM · #4
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Olympus E-500 EVOLT- Canon EOS 350D- Nikon D50

I realize it is a new camera, but you have neglected a major camera in this price range and capability. In a conversation regarding the D50 and the 350XT it is regretful that added comparison of the OLYMPUS E-500has not been included. Here is the dpreview between these cameras and the Olympus.


While I probably won't be buying an SLR for a while yet, I'm reading up all I can about them. The thing that interests me most about the Olympus is the dust filtering system.
 10/22/2005 05:48:32 PM · #5
From everything I've read on this site and others, the 350xt and D50 are very similar in tech specs and performance. I think the most important things to consider are how the camera feels and lens availability. If you have someone from whom you can borrow lenses I would strongly consider buying into the same system. One of the reasons I went Nikon is because my boyfriend is invested in Nikon, so my lens options were tripled from the start. It's really great having more options than the kit lens when you're starting out...gives you more to experiment with and learn from and helps guide your own lens purchases down the road. But beyond anything else, you should choose your camera based on how it feels. I love the way my Nikon feels in my hand, it's ergonomic (at least for me), it feels solid and I like the way the controls are layed out. Go to a store and pick up both cameras and decide which feels right for you. As you start using it more, being comfortable holding the camera in your hand will make you happier than any minor gizmo tech spec type features.
 10/22/2005 04:32:36 PM · #6
Olympus E-500 EVOLT- Canon EOS 350D- Nikon D50

I realize it is a new camera, but you have neglected a major camera in this price range and capability. In a conversation regarding the D50 and the 350XT it is regretful that added comparison of the OLYMPUS E-500has not been included. Here is the dpreview between these cameras and the Olympus.

Message edited by author 2005-10-22 16:34:29.
 10/22/2005 03:21:07 PM · #7
Hopefully this link can help you out
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse500/page19.asp

I wouldn't give much about the 6/8megapixel difference. I'd be happier with the better build-quality of the D50 and it's easier handling. I also prefer the quality at high iso and the statuslcd on top instead of on the back of the camera.
Differences in imagequality are only minimal. Lenses determine so much more
 10/22/2005 03:03:45 PM · #8
Don't forget that the Pentax *ist DL is basically a D50, and the Pentax *ist DS/DS2 is a D70.

Major differences is the SD format, AA batteries, mirror-lockup, and the ability to use most of Pentax's lens stable from the old days.

Message edited by author 2005-10-22 15:05:44.
 10/22/2005 02:03:46 PM · #9
Originally posted by greta:
Big question about LCD viewer. Which one is easier to see in the sunlight. I am a newbie with an Oly e300 and cannot see my settings in the sunlight. Does the Nikon D50 have a better LCD screen? understand the Canon's 350 xt is very hard to see.
Thanks


The menus work fine for me in direct sunlight. The LCD on a dSLR doesn't show the shot when you're composing it anyway, only after when you are reviewing it. The screen brightness can be adjusted. I find it to be adequate on the 20D, and the 350xt is basically the same...

R.
 10/22/2005 01:09:59 PM · #10
Big question about LCD viewer. Which one is easier to see in the sunlight. I am a newbie with an Oly e300 and cannot see my settings in the sunlight. Does the Nikon D50 have a better LCD screen? understand the Canon's 350 xt is very hard to see.
Thanks

Message edited by author 2005-10-22 13:16:08.
 08/27/2005 01:41:42 AM · #11
your friend should try them out before the decision is made. I am pretty sure she/he will be happy with either. Bother of them are excellent cameras. Although, as a Canon user, I'd lean toward Canon systems. But as others have said, everyone is different. Just try them out in person. It is not difficult decision since both Canon and Nikon are excellent in term of camera systems and lens selections.

BTW, if your friend is a point and shot user, with a tight budget, I'd say: go get a Nikon. Its kit lens is better. But if he/she has the money, go get a 350D with a 28-300L or 35-350L Lens, she should be good for quite a few years. Also, with 8MP sensor, 350D has slightly upper hand than 50D, you can even get a 24-105/4L on it for telephotos then crop later, the image is still big enough for a regular print. :)

Just my 2 cents...
 08/27/2005 12:47:55 AM · #12
Originally posted by sage:
Kit lenses usually always suck. They are usually just a cheap $100 lense to get you started. Nothing more.


Not so sage. The Nikon kit lenses (for the D-50 and the one for the D-70) are actually not cheap $100 lenses. The original D70 kit lens, the 18-70, was about a $400 - $450 value. It now goes for something along the line of $340. Now the Canon kit lenses are definably $100, less in the after market.

Now with that said these arguments are the thing that is stupid. People need to stop trying to push off what they have on everyone else. The best advice you can give is the have the buyer go out and try these cameras out for themselves to see which one fits their hand, feels comfortable, has an intuitive menu and button system, etc. Everyone is different.

Message edited by author 2005-08-27 00:57:28.
 08/26/2005 11:19:35 PM · #13
Originally posted by Hoogie:
The general opinion (in fact it was 100%) is that the Nikon lenses are far superior to that on the 350 and one rep even talked potential buyers out of buying the canon for that reason alone!


Buying a camera based on the kit lense it comes with is stupid... stupid... stupid.

The Canon Rebel XT is a much better camera. Is the kit lense better? Who cares. I don't care about the kit lense and would rather buy a body only anyway.

The main reason you should purchase a camera like that is for the body... not the lense that comes with it as even the "superior" lense you mention on the D50 is not a great lense when compared with the rest of the Nikkor range.

Kit lenses usually always suck. They are usually just a cheap $100 lense to get you started. Nothing more.
 08/26/2005 11:15:54 PM · #14
Originally posted by bear_music:
One really nice thing about the CMOS, as opposed to the CCD, is WAY lower power usage. I'm astonished at how long my 20D runs between charges. Its battery is about the same as the one in my Nikon 5700, but on the little Nikon I have to recharge after every shoot, the 20D is goinf over a week at a time between charges.

Of course, that's not really fair 'cuz EVERYTHING on the prosumer cams is run off juice; zoom, viewfinder, focus, everything. The dSLR uses optical viewfinder and manual zoom, so that draws a lot less juice. But I'm pretty sure useable battery time is better with the CMOS and DIGICII. Can anyone confirm? Or refute, for that matter?

Robt.


Maybe, but I've been able to get between 800-1000 shots between battery charges. That seems pretty good to me :-)
 08/26/2005 11:03:27 PM · #15
I will never change my R300 for Nikon D70/50.
Easier to use,faster menus,less buttons and less noise.Canon lenses are better and more of them to choose !

Canon 5D is my next one :-)

Message edited by author 2005-08-26 23:04:12.
 08/26/2005 10:53:56 PM · #16
Originally posted by Hoogie:
Its ironic isnt it that people with canons will obviously say "canon" and vice versa.


Not necessarily. If I were picking between Canon/Nikon today (assuming I didn't already own lenses), I'd go for the 20D, D50, 350D, D70 and 300D- in that order.
 08/26/2005 10:51:15 PM · #17
One really nice thing about the CMOS, as opposed to the CCD, is WAY lower power usage. I'm astonished at how long my 20D runs between charges. Its battery is about the same as the one in my Nikon 5700, but on the little Nikon I have to recharge after every shoot, the 20D is goinf over a week at a time between charges.

Of course, that's not really fair 'cuz EVERYTHING on the prosumer cams is run off juice; zoom, viewfinder, focus, everything. The dSLR uses optical viewfinder and manual zoom, so that draws a lot less juice. But I'm pretty sure useable battery time is better with the CMOS and DIGICII. Can anyone confirm? Or refute, for that matter?

Robt.
 08/26/2005 10:37:08 PM · #18
Originally posted by Hoogie:
... i would strongly suggest avoiding the canon 350.


Eh?

My personal view, when presented with a choice between the 350 and the D70, was that I found the CMOS sensor seemed less prone to dust (and I use primes a lot, and thus change lenses often), and that the DIGIC II processes were noticeably far ahead of Nikon's. I have no complaints about my choice, despite having been a Nikon user previously.

However, I haven't looked into the D50/D70s. But so many of these threads ignore the CMOS/CCD argument, and the quality of the DIGIC II processor.

Ed

Message edited by author 2005-08-26 22:37:27.
 08/26/2005 09:54:03 PM · #19
Its ironic isnt it that people with canons will obviously say "canon" and vice versa.

Someone stated that the canon 350 is "far" better than the nikon d50 and closer to the D70 in picture quality....hmm thats odd as the d50 has better picture quality than the D70 due to a modified ccd..lol!

To be honest they are both great cameras i just prefered the better quality kit lens and the lower noise in low light.

08/26/2005 10:27:28 AM · #20
Canon.
 08/26/2005 10:15:40 AM · #21
Here's a side by side chart...

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 08/26/2005 09:52:22 AM · #22
The real truth is:
Tell your friend to buy what suits him the best, what feels most comfortable to him.
Let him be happy with whatever he chooses!
 08/26/2005 09:49:45 AM · #23
I have read about 4 articles in various UK mags over the last month that have all said the 350D is a much better camera than the D50 by a large margine, although they seem to like the handling of the D50 more.

The fight between the Canon 350D and the Nikon D70s is the one thats very tight, the Canon gives bigger images and although people said it was small I found the handling and size fine so I went for the Canon.
Also the write speed when shooting RAW is slow in comparison to the 350D and I prefer CFII to SD cards.

Your asking the wrong question. There is no contest between the Canon 350D and the Nikon D50, the Canon is well ahead. You need to ask whether the Nikon D70s or the Canon 350D is better, and truth is there isn't much in it.

Without wanting to cause a fight, Hoogie's post is not accurate and the salesman he refers too is giving poor advice (although the Nkon's kit lense it better). The D50 is a good basic SLR but it lacks many many features that both the D70s and 350D offer.

Message edited by author 2005-08-26 12:03:17.
 08/26/2005 09:30:48 AM · #24
She lives on the west coast (Northern CA) Im in East Tennesse....she wont be borrowing lenses, but that is a very good reason to go Canon if she were near me. Good thinking.
 08/26/2005 09:23:31 AM · #25
I'm sure if you told her you would let her use lenses that would push her toward the canon since they are so similar. That after all is why you buy an SLR for the lenses right?
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