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08/22/2005 05:03:24 PM · #1
With all the talk about the 5D it seems fairly quiet on the boards about the other anouncement today. Albiet the 1D Mark II is an upgrade as opposed to the 5d which is something totally new, but I'm sure someone must be interested.

Click here for the new specs.
08/22/2005 05:11:09 PM · #2
So without compairing the two stat for stat, do you know what is really different about it?

It doesn't look like much has changed.

Message edited by author 2005-08-22 17:11:34.
08/22/2005 05:17:14 PM · #3
Originally posted by bruski:

So without compairing the two stat for stat, do you know what is really different about it?


Larger, 2.5 inch LCD/TFT screen with wide viewing angle
More burst frames: 22 RAW (from 20
Improved image processing sequence
Startup time 0.2 sec (from 0.3 sec)
Estimated selling price of US $3,999 ($500 less than EOS-1D Mark II at introduction)
New Picture Style settings, easier than Parameters, 6 pre-set, 3 user-defined
Enhanced recording functions to 2 card slots: split recording CF/SD
New, simple memory card switching function, CF/SD
Low-level, physical formatting of SD cards, faster and more secure
Magnified view from any selected AF point on playback
Magnified view during Quick Review
Improved image quality in Magnified view
Last displayed image is remembered
More complete info display includes file sizes, monochrome and R/G/B indicators
Automatic new folder creation
User-settable file names- first 4 characters
More settings for Custom Functions and Personal Functions
New access to menu options during image processing and recording
Contact sheets, Exif printing info, Face Brightener function, new paper sizes with PictBridge
New optional Ec-S focusing screen for more accurate manual focusing
Automatic noise reduction menu option for long exposures
ISO adjustable while looking in the finder
Enhanced range of settings for burst frames
New IEEE1394 locking cap
Canon logo now with sunken lettering and fill-in paint


Message edited by author 2005-08-22 17:18:31.
08/22/2005 05:22:33 PM · #4
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Canon logo now with sunken lettering and fill-in paint

Dude, where is my credit card.
08/22/2005 05:29:34 PM · #5
Originally posted by bledford:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Canon logo now with sunken lettering and fill-in paint

Dude, where is my credit card.


Yeh, I know.

This whole thing is not about a new camera as much as it being the suped up model of the original 1D Mk II. In the field these improvements will probably make little difference. The fact that it will sell for about the same price as the Mk II was three months ago is a plus. If I had a choice of the two at the same price I would buy the N, but I wouldn't sell the Mk II I have at a loss just to get one.
08/22/2005 05:29:50 PM · #6
Other than the larger screen, it sounds like a firmware upgrade.
08/22/2005 05:31:39 PM · #7
And physical room for the SD card.
08/22/2005 05:32:44 PM · #8
Originally posted by Jason:

Other than the larger screen, it sounds like a firmware upgrade.


I don't know. The faster startup time and the improved burst rate sounds like a new chip somewhere.
08/22/2005 05:42:50 PM · #9
not worth the extra money over a used 1DmII imo. However if anyone wants to give me a great trade up for their 1D2 with my 1D I might consider :-)
08/23/2005 12:02:18 AM · #10
I'm deciding wheather I should get the 1D MII/N or the 20D with a grip. The fact that the MSRP of the IIN is $3999 vs MII's $4499 is intriguing to me. Will the IIN lower the price of new and used II down further? Right now new II's are selling for just over $3500 (about a grand less than MSRP). Does that mean in a little while new IIN's will be about $3000? In which case, what will the price of used II's be in about 6 months? $2000? My mind is going in a swirl with the possibilities, a used II? New II as the price falls, wait for the IIN's price to fall?
08/23/2005 12:09:00 AM · #11
Originally posted by yido:

I'm deciding wheather I should get the 1D MII/N or the 20D with a grip. The fact that the MSRP of the IIN is $3999 vs MII's $4499 is intriguing to me. Will the IIN lower the price of new and used II down further? Right now new II's are selling for just over $3500 (about a grand less than MSRP). Does that mean in a little while new IIN's will be about $3000? In which case, what will the price of used II's be in about 6 months? $2000? My mind is going in a swirl with the possibilities, a used II? New II as the price falls, wait for the IIN's price to fall?


In about ten years you will be able to get a good used 1D IIN for about $400. I'll be shooting while you wait.
08/23/2005 12:19:07 AM · #12
get the 1DII original used after the prices drop a bit. Don't expect many more sellers than usual though, not many will dump their current cam for these mostly minor upgrades.
08/23/2005 12:35:18 AM · #13
I'm not expecting any IID owner to sell it to get the IIN. Of the ones selling their II's for whatever reason, I'm expecting the price to drop. As for new II's price, I don't know what will happen. I'll probably make my decision in a few months. I can fortunately wait as my DR still cliks away.

08/23/2005 12:46:01 AM · #14
Originally posted by yido:

I'm not expecting any IID owner to sell it to get the IIN. Of the ones selling their II's for whatever reason, I'm expecting the price to drop. As for new II's price, I don't know what will happen. I'll probably make my decision in a few months. I can fortunately wait as my DR still cliks away.

They took a poll at MF and about 1/6 of the people with 1DII's said they would upgrade. Not a lot... but some.
08/24/2005 12:03:54 PM · #15
Just checked Canon USA's website. The Mark II is gone and the Mark IIN is up with a note below it saying available in September. I just checked the price of the Mark II's on shopping.com and the prices seem the same. I guess so far atleast, the II's won't be any cheaper. Perhaps after September, things may change. I'm hoping in a few months the street price of the IIN's will drop below the MSRP of $3999 as well.

Message edited by author 2005-08-24 12:04:59.
08/25/2005 09:34:36 AM · #16
I was actually just about to post a thread about who was more excited about the 1d IIN or the 5D.

I feel that an 8MP cam with at 1.3x crop factor with 8.5fps is pretty damned exciting. The cam can't use EF-S lenses, but the ones I have been eyeing aren't EF-S anyhow, so whatever. The 1.3x crop would likely provide a really nice combination of improvement on lens zoom, corner brightness and quality and bigger physical pics. Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.

It likely has had a chip upgrade as well (firmware is probably not enough to improve FPS), meaning the noise reduction is probably as good as the 20D. Combine this with bigger pixels and you have sweetness!

I'd go for this over the 5D for sure. I don't pretend to think that a Bayer interpolated at 13MP can match medium format to the point where it can print REALLY big stuff, so the 1d MkIIN would totally be my choice.

Weatherproofing is cool too.
08/25/2005 02:55:38 PM · #17
I'm really not interested in the 5D. I like the crop and would prefer to keep the 1.6. But I want a verticle grip, more buffer, faster fps, and 8.2MP is about right for me. Imagine the CF cards you need to buy to shoot with a 12.8MP camera, not to memtion how much slower processing all the RAW images will be compared to 8.2MP's. For me it may be worth it if 20x30 inch prints were what I made on a daily basis, but to look at the images on a monitor or to make occassional 8x10 or 11x14 or so sized prints, the negative don't outweigh the positives. I really like the larger LCD size so I'm hoping that the IIN will sell for under $3999 MSRP. How does $3200 or less sound since current II's are selling for about $700-800 under their $4499 MSRP.
BTW, am I crazy or does a silver bodied IIN look better. Here is an unpainted IIN image.
//www.dpreview.com/news/0508/Canon/1diin-02.jpg

Message edited by author 2005-08-25 15:00:38.
08/25/2005 03:02:29 PM · #18
Originally posted by eschelar:

Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.



The pixel size I think is the same for the two cameras.
08/25/2005 03:05:50 PM · #19
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by eschelar:

Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.



The pixel size I think is the same for the two cameras.

No, the 20D is by far the most dense of any of the canon DSLR's.
08/25/2005 03:07:00 PM · #20
Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by eschelar:

Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.



The pixel size I think is the same for the two cameras.

No, the 20D is by far the most dense of any of the canon DSLR's.


But the pixel size is the same.
08/25/2005 03:09:09 PM · #21
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by eschelar:

Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.



The pixel size I think is the same for the two cameras.

No, the 20D is by far the most dense of any of the canon DSLR's.


But the pixel size is the same.

no that is not correct.

Message edited by author 2005-08-25 15:09:28.
08/25/2005 03:10:45 PM · #22
Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by eschelar:

Additionally, it would feature significantly bigger pixels than the 20D's.



The pixel size I think is the same for the two cameras.

No, the 20D is by far the most dense of any of the canon DSLR's.


But the pixel size is the same.

no that is not correct.


Why not?
08/25/2005 03:10:54 PM · #23
What kyebosh means is pixel density. IE. physical size of photosite.
08/25/2005 03:13:50 PM · #24
the 1DII has 8.2µm
the 20D has 6.4µm much more compact.
08/25/2005 03:13:56 PM · #25
Originally posted by PaulMdx:

What kyebosh means is pixel density. IE. physical size of photosite.


The two are not the same.
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