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08/13/2005 03:52:08 PM · #1 |
I don't know how anyone else feels out there, but the lack of following the challenge rules is really getting to me. I just finished my voting for Time Capsule and there were many who followed the rules by using a year as their title. There were several others who had no year whatsoever. Doesn't that fall under "not meeting the challenge"?
I wish the rules were very specific and enforced. JMHO here....but I did score those who followed the rules much, much higher and gave out my highest number of 10s ever this time. If you didn't have a year, sorry - you got a low score.
There is no point in having "rules" if no one follows them and then no point in entering if anything goes.
Just my .02 here, but I'd like to know how others feel...?
Adding: I do not have an entry in the Time Capsule challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-08-15 15:00:48.
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08/13/2005 04:01:54 PM · #2 |
Your title should be the year that you are trying to capture for future generations
It says it should be, so I would say no biggie. But of coarse, you as a voter can vote anyway you like. :)
Message edited by author 2005-08-13 16:02:26. |
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08/13/2005 04:16:45 PM · #3 |
The thing is, there are many many entries that are labeled "a long time ago in a galaxy far away", and just about any shot would do for that!
I think "free interpretation" is ok, but to a certain extent. There are some entries in this challenge that really, really stretch the concept of "time capsule". I think this is worse than having a title that doesn't "follow the rules".
Anyway, just my 2 eurocents. |
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08/13/2005 05:02:36 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by pacpinto:
The thing is, there are many many entries that are labeled "a long time ago in a galaxy far away", and just about any shot would do for that!
I think "free interpretation" is ok, but to a certain extent. There are some entries in this challenge that really, really stretch the concept of "time capsule". |
Oh, there's that too. I do agree.
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08/13/2005 06:17:48 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Your title should be the year that you are trying to capture for future generations
It says it should be, so I would say no biggie. But of coarse, you as a voter can vote anyway you like. :) |
There's no point in adding that line if is not a major thing for this challenge.
The challenge topic is banana's, your photo should contain a banana or a part of a banana.
Don't shoot an apple and say it's ok, because the description said should instead of must.
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08/13/2005 06:29:15 PM · #6 |
I voted on "Time Capsule" this morning, and I was shocked at how many entries did not include the year in the title.
I'm all for thinking outside the box, but when the challenge description specifically says that the title of your photo should be the year that you are trying to capture, I think that people should respect that simple, straightforward instruction.
Use your creative juices to take a really cool "out of the box" picture, not to fly in the face of a simple instruction regarding the title.
And, yes, I know it says your title SHOULD be the year, not MUST be the year, but come on, we all know what the administrators meant when they wrote the description. |
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08/13/2005 06:33:27 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
The challenge topic is banana's, your photo should contain a banana or a part of a banana.
Don't shoot an apple and say it's ok, because the description said should instead of must. |
Yeah, but its just a title. If its a good photo I will rate it high. Thats just me. Your voting may may differ.
:) |
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08/13/2005 07:11:13 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Your title should be the year that you are trying to capture for future generations |
should
1. Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note.
2. Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon.
3. Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I.
4. Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.
I'd go for number 1..
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08/13/2005 08:09:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by james_so:
Originally posted by Riggs:
Your title should be the year that you are trying to capture for future generations |
should
1. Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note.
2. Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon.
3. Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I.
4. Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.
I'd go for number 1.. |
Me too! Arguing that it's OK to not include the year in the title because the challenge description said "should," not "must," is a little like Bill Clinton arguing about what the definition of the word "is" is.
Having said that, I did vote for Clinton, and I voted for that tall skinny guy who lost the last presidential election. What was his name again???... |
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08/13/2005 08:34:02 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by pacpinto:
The thing is, there are many many entries that are labeled "a long time ago in a galaxy far away", and just about any shot would do for that!
I think "free interpretation" is ok, but to a certain extent. There are some entries in this challenge that really, really stretch the concept of "time capsule". I think this is worse than having a title that doesn't "follow the rules".
Anyway, just my 2 eurocents. |
What do you consider being 'a stretch of the concept'? gee a time capsule can include ANYTHING.. in this case, to me anyway, i thought our aim was to "Take a shot that depicts an era in time. Your title should be the year that you are trying to capture for future generations" to me i could take a photo of my dog and put 'Ralph - my dog - 2005" on it, to show future generations what kind of dog i had in 2005, or i could take a photo of the work i was doing in 2005, weather it be lowlight, highkey, b/w or colour, or just about anything... there is no stretching of the concept here....
i have voted very high on this one as it was really an anything goes.... my problem is, i have voted high on some of your photos that aren't technically great, weather you meant them to be or not, because that is YOUR concept..... and i get comment after comment saying beautiful photo, but aren't you stretching the concept a little far here.... arghh... gee... it's really frusterating.....it will probably be my lowest voted photo, and yet probably my highest challenge i have scored....
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08/13/2005 08:38:23 PM · #11 |
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Message edited by author 2005-08-13 20:50:32.
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08/13/2005 08:41:21 PM · #12 |
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Message edited by author 2005-08-13 21:40:46. |
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08/13/2005 08:42:44 PM · #13 |
Rule implies that failure to follow it results in penalty. With very, very few exceptions challenge descriptions are suggestions.
We don't DQ for failure to meet the challenge. Those of the ultra literal voters out there might want to keep that in mind. :)
Clara |
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08/13/2005 08:53:18 PM · #14 |
Think we can keep all this in one thread? There is like three seperate threads on this stupid time capsule thing???????????
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08/13/2005 08:56:56 PM · #15 |
Nothing like the ultimate DPC straight edger. I guess I could have scrolled past it, but it was at the end.
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08/13/2005 09:21:48 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by blemt:
We don't DQ for failure to meet the challenge. Those of the ultra literal voters out there might want to keep that in mind. :)
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Why? (the literal voters not the lack of DQs...) are you suggesting that I should ignore the challenge and just vote on the pictures qualities? If we dont take the challenge description literally there is little point in having one in the first place surely..
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08/13/2005 09:26:40 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by james_so:
Originally posted by blemt:
We don't DQ for failure to meet the challenge. Those of the ultra literal voters out there might want to keep that in mind. :)
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Why? (the literal voters not the lack of DQs...) are you suggesting that I should ignore the challenge and just vote on the pictures qualities? If we dont take the challenge description literally there is little point in having one in the first place surely.. |
By "literal" most people mean "narrowest, most obvious interpretation" of the challenge. There is an equally-strong(?) school of people here who feel the challenge is there to inspire creative interpretations, not restrict photographers to all shooting exactly the same shot, and evaluating only whose hand was steadiest and light most even.
Just because you don't see how the photo meets the challenge doesn't mean it doesn't -- only that you don't see the connection. |
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08/13/2005 09:47:14 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by james_so:
Originally posted by blemt:
We don't DQ for failure to meet the challenge. Those of the ultra literal voters out there might want to keep that in mind. :)
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Why? (the literal voters not the lack of DQs...) are you suggesting that I should ignore the challenge and just vote on the pictures qualities? If we dont take the challenge description literally there is little point in having one in the first place surely.. |
By "literal" most people mean "narrowest, most obvious interpretation" of the challenge. There is an equally-strong(?) school of people here who feel the challenge is there to inspire creative interpretations, not restrict photographers to all shooting exactly the same shot, and evaluating only whose hand was steadiest and light most even.
Just because you don't see how the photo meets the challenge doesn't mean it doesn't -- only that you don't see the connection. |
I don't assume to know what most people think, but taking the challenge literally does not mean everyone taking the same photo. I agree that the challenge is there to inspire creative interpretations - but within the challenges description.
And if I (and I will only speak for myself) as a voter don't see how the photo meets the challenge then I will vote accordingly, what else am I to do?
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08/13/2005 11:40:33 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by jrtodd:
Nothing like the ultimate DPC straight edger. I guess I could have scrolled past it, but it was at the end. |
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08/15/2005 12:32:53 PM · #20 |
I too felt that the year, or at least a clow approximation (1960s, 50s, etc) should be in the title, and those that did not do it got voted lower. Those that picked A year (1956, 1978, etc) got a little more from me than the decade namers.
I know people feel the neec to be creative and unique - so do it with your image not your title.
Riggs brings up one point of view that can be hard to argue - if this had been submitted with the same title it had when it won (Peace) how would YOU have voted it?
Does it deserve a 2 or a 4 becuase it does not meet the challenge (no year in title)? Or can it win or place high without meeting the challenge?
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08/15/2005 12:36:20 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I too felt that the year, or at least a clow approximation (1960s, 50s, etc) should be in the title, and those that did not do it got voted lower. Those that picked A year (1956, 1978, etc) got a little more from me than the decade namers.
I know people feel the neec to be creative and unique - so do it with your image not your title.
Riggs brings up one point of view that can be hard to argue - if this had been submitted with the same title it had when it won (Peace) how would YOU have voted it?
Does it deserve a 2 or a 4 becuase it does not meet the challenge (no year in title)? Or can it win or place high without meeting the challenge? |
I think in the above image, the period association is so strong and brilliantly played up that whatever the title, it should have done well in time capsule.
One issue for me in capsule: Many images just aren't evoking a specific enough time period, year, era, etc. When I see a title that's long and winded, there is a reinforced impression that the titling is trying to make the image fit with the challenge theme, rather than the other way around. I'm not down voting, but it's something that nags and snags.
Message edited by author 2005-08-15 12:39:58.
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08/15/2005 02:39:48 PM · #22 |
Without writing it in legalese, I don't see how the challenge details could more strogly require the title to be a year, a four digit number to be exact. Yet there are many, many entries that did not use a year as their title. What gives?
Do these people just not bother to read the details?
Are they trying to gain a competitive advantage by using a better title and thinking the competition will be restricted to 4 digits? And that the voters will not penalize them?
Are these people reading the details and then intentionally disregarding them?
Do they think that it would be an unjust infringement upon their creativity to use a number as title when everyone else is working under the same restriction?
Do they feel that their shots are so weak that they need the additional support provided by an explanatory title?
Is it possible to have any kind of rules, guidelines, or suggestions on this site without some (too many) people asking to be excused from following them in the name of "thinking outside the box"?
My biggest gripe about all this anything-in-the-name-of-creativity thinking is that it works against the well intentioned users that make a sincere effort to comply with the rules, guidelines and suggestions. These people are sacrifacing better scores to fit the mold while others are flaunting non-compliance and being rewarded by the voters while the SC twiddles in indecision.
Edited to add the fact that I do not have an entry in the Time Capsule challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-08-15 14:42:17.
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08/15/2005 03:02:36 PM · #23 |
Thank you coolhar :)
So very well put :)
The challege is (should be) to be creative within the rules, guidelines, description.
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08/15/2005 03:30:51 PM · #24 |
Sorry but you are all wrong. Marking a photo down because the title doesn't fit the suggested format is just plain wrong. The site is about photography, therefore assess the image qualities.
If the challenge was take aphoto of something blue and the IMAGE submitted was something red, then I can accept that the challenge has not been met. Thats a whole world away from what we see in this challenge.
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08/15/2005 03:40:05 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Falc:
Marking a photo down because the title doesn't fit the suggested format is just plain wrong. The site is about photography, therefore assess the image qualities. |
These are pretty much my sentiments too. I do think the titles should have the year in them to follow the rules -- but to give a picture a 1 or 2 because it has something else in addition to the year is outrageous to me. But whatever my opinion is -- my picture, which clearly depicts an old-time capture, is focused and well composed, is at 4.9 right now, my lowest score since I can remember, so the voters are certainly speaking louder than my humble opinion. I have to live with it, but I'm disappointed in that thinking!
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