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05/22/2003 05:00:34 PM · #26
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by autool:

Sounds like a pretty fun challenge as long as it is concurrent with existing challenges.
A point to consider in the early rounds would be to cut according to the scores rather than the placement. I bring this up as there is usually very little point spread in the mid ranges, and that seems to me to be a little more tollerant for the average photographers. Just an idea!




I'm not sure if i understand this... The scores determine the placement... Top 64 scores/placements in the first challenge... top 32.. and so on...


I think what he is saying here is that for the first two rounds use a score at the cut-off point. i.e 5.5 and abovr the first round, 6.0 and above the second round etc..
05/22/2003 05:03:50 PM · #27
yeah, but that could potentially mean alot more or alot less than what would really be needed.. to keep some sort of an order. I mean, if the caliber of the shots is higher (for some reason) and everyone scores above 5.5, whats the point? it's a contest, only the best advance :)
05/22/2003 05:05:38 PM · #28
Originally posted by karmat:

Can we have a loser's bracket?
:-)


Ditto, . . . Please
05/22/2003 05:18:22 PM · #29
Great idea. When can we start.

Only problem i see is the last 3 challenges taking 9 weeks for just 8 photos. Maybe go 64,32,16 and 8.

Message edited by author 2003-05-22 17:22:06.
05/22/2003 05:44:00 PM · #30
Originally posted by STEINR:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by autool:

Sounds like a pretty fun challenge as long as it is concurrent with existing challenges.
A point to consider in the early rounds would be to cut according to the scores rather than the placement. I bring this up as there is usually very little point spread in the mid ranges, and that seems to me to be a little more tollerant for the average photographers. Just an idea!




I'm not sure if i understand this... The scores determine the placement... Top 64 scores/placements in the first challenge... top 32.. and so on...


I think what he is saying here is that for the first two rounds use a score at the cut-off point. i.e 5.5 and abovr the first round, 6.0 and above the second round etc..


I'm back again. This is what I was referring to John. I just thought it would be more fair to make the cut at say.... 5.5 the first time around rather than just the top 64. What difference does it make if there might be 100 winners verses 64. I know that I am weaker on some topics than others and with this in mind it would kind of give more than one elimination round at the start. I guess that maybe I am just afraid it won't be much fun after the first cut. Heck, I don't know what I am trying to say! Go for it!!!
05/22/2003 06:15:34 PM · #31
i wanna play ... what if you did 2 brackets ... the top number of people go on to the second round of their own bracket... and the other people have a bracket of their own for maybe half the amount of remaining challenges the upper group has ... kinda reminds me of a varsity level and a Junior varsity level after the first challenge ... that way people wont get discouraged .. they can all still play along :)

i'm typing and thinking outloud .. hopefully that makes sense
05/22/2003 07:11:40 PM · #32
Modification to the original idea:

post all 7 challenge topics up front... we wouldn't know what order they were gonna fall in..... We get the topics 4 weeks before the challenge starts.... everyone has plenty of time to shoot then the challenges can run one week to submit and one week to vote...

05/22/2003 07:17:04 PM · #33
I like the idea of laying outr the challenges in advance. However, I think we should stay within the concepts of the site and restrict shooting times to the week of that particular challenge. Iknow that can be tough, but that's what this site is all about.
05/22/2003 07:19:38 PM · #34
Originally posted by Jak:

I like the idea of laying outr the challenges in advance. However, I think we should stay within the concepts of the site and restrict shooting times to the week of that particular challenge. Iknow that can be tough, but that's what this site is all about.


The only problem i see with that is the ability to participate... if you advance to the tighter challenges and have work or family committments during a certain week where you couldn't shoot, you would be sh!t outta luck...
05/22/2003 07:23:38 PM · #35
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by Jak:

I like the idea of laying outr the challenges in advance. However, I think we should stay within the concepts of the site and restrict shooting times to the week of that particular challenge. Iknow that can be tough, but that's what this site is all about.


The only problem i see with that is the ability to participate... if you advance to the tighter challenges and have work or family committments during a certain week where you couldn't shoot, you would be sh!t outta luck...

Also having 4+ weeks would allow you to get to an event or location that the weekly challenges don't allow you to. It would make a nice change of pace.
05/22/2003 07:34:59 PM · #36
I'm with K-Rob - just GET IT DONE! :) I love this idea in practically any form! (if pushed, I'd come up with something too)
05/22/2003 07:49:02 PM · #37
Originally posted by Jak:

I like the idea of laying outr the challenges in advance. However, I think we should stay within the concepts of the site and restrict shooting times to the week of that particular challenge. Iknow that can be tough, but that's what this site is all about.


I agree with JAK that the challenges should still be shot during the week of submittal. If you can't get it done that week...so goes life!
05/22/2003 08:13:17 PM · #38
Do you think Langdon and Drew will think their site had been HIJACKED if you ran a seperate challenge, especially if it allowed only one week for shooting and voting. There already is a problem with a lack of comments and possibly votes too. On the surface it sounds fun but I question it being a positive addition to this site.
Edit:
Actually, after a look at the number of votes cast on the top finishing compaired to the bottom finishing it appears the voting is fairly even in quanity throughout......Interesting idea

Message edited by author 2003-05-22 20:29:24.
05/22/2003 08:21:56 PM · #39
Originally posted by DougPaz:

Originally posted by Jak:

I like the idea of laying outr the challenges in advance. However, I think we should stay within the concepts of the site and restrict shooting times to the week of that particular challenge. Iknow that can be tough, but that's what this site is all about.


I agree with JAK that the challenges should still be shot during the week of submittal. If you can't get it done that week...so goes life!


I don't think this is necessary. As long as the photos were shot after the topics were announced, that should be okay. Just as long as we can't go back to our archives and submit photos that were taken a long time ago, it would still fit in with the principles of dpchallenge.
05/22/2003 08:22:39 PM · #40
Interesting concept, but there's something about it that I don't quite like. Part of what's nice about DPC is that everyone can participate every week, and this wouldn't be so. It might be pretty boring or discouraging for a lot of people.

Also, and this is purely a personal opinion, we live in a world where there are already too many "idols", and I'm referring to movie stars, music celebrities, famous politicians, famous criminals, all sorts of "idols". I'm not sure that this contest is such a good idea. I think even here at DPC there are already a number of "idols", or "stars", would this maybe simply be a stage for those "stars"? Would creating another "star" be valuable to anyone? Maybe. I don't know. This is just my opinion.

I like the openness of DPC. I'm not sure that this would aid the site.
05/22/2003 08:27:16 PM · #41
I love the idea. I'd like it to be lunched later though, the holliday season coming up, this would be great for the fall maybe. The steps shouldn't be more then 3 or 4 at most, people who make the cut could end up with no time after a month or so to shoot. This kind of challenge would really show who are constantly good photographers (...not speaking about my self...)
05/22/2003 09:03:37 PM · #42
I love the idea ... this could be done a few times during the year (maybe 6 months). We could also extend the time frame for photos.

Regardless. I wanna play!!!
05/22/2003 09:20:15 PM · #43
Originally posted by uabresch:

Interesting concept, but there's something about it that I don't quite like. Part of what's nice about DPC is that everyone can participate every week, and this wouldn't be so.


No one would get to participate any less than they do now... this would be in addition to the normal challenges if it could happen...
05/22/2003 09:25:59 PM · #44
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by uabresch:

Interesting concept, but there's something about it that I don't quite like. Part of what's nice about DPC is that everyone can participate every week, and this wouldn't be so.


No one would get to participate any less than they do now... this would be in addition to the normal challenges if it could happen...


I understand that ... and I would participate myself. I was just expressing my opinion. Even though no one would get to participate any less than they do now, as it is now, this would be different, and it would change stuff. Maybe I'm just having a bit of difficulty seeing it as something entirely positive. It could be though ...
05/22/2003 10:01:38 PM · #45
OK, how about this idea John:

How about the winners and losers for each round moves to the next round. That way we're not leaving anyone out. Couldn't do that I mean eliminate someone because their photo isn't as good or accepted as well as others? That's absurd! I also think ribbons should be given for everyone that enters regular challenges from now on. Because we certainly don't want to hurt any feelings or step on toes. Sheesh.

Or maybe not, guess you can't please everyone :/

Message edited by author 2003-05-22 23:18:22.
05/22/2003 11:16:30 PM · #46
I think this super hyper charged steroid injected mega challenge would be a great way for everyone to display or practice the fundamentals of photography. I would really like to see topics such as "rule of 3rds" or "b/w" and "s curves",etc. The basic principles and simple (not too specific) challenges. This way we'd be able to practice the basics and nobody would really be at a disadvantage because of their location (farmland vs city life) This is like school testing for photographers! Prove you're worthy!
05/22/2003 11:26:40 PM · #47
My idea:

1st day - Announce first topic. 2 weeks to shoot. 1 week to vote. top 50 advance.

22nd day - Announce second topic - 2 weeks to shoot. 1 week to vote. top 20 advance.

43rd day - Announce third and fourth topic. Shoot either topic - submit third topic after 2 weeks. 1 week to vote. Top 10 advance.

64th day - Final topic begins. 2 weeks to shoot. 1 week to vote.

85th day - Winners announced.

(And I really like BigSmiles' ideas)

M
05/23/2003 02:05:52 AM · #48
BigSmiles had a great idea for this in having it be the core of photography. That way we will have a ton of diversity in photos, but a theme to them as well.
Then also with the advances, have the final topic with 5 or 10 photographers shooting it out.
05/23/2003 02:35:45 AM · #49
Imagine the stress if you made it to the final 8, 4 or even worse 2. You'd have to take a week off work to perfect your shot since you'd be going one on one with a great photographer. Of course if you made it this far then you obviously are a great photographer yourself.

I could just imagine the anxiety at choosing which photo to submit though.
05/23/2003 03:07:16 AM · #50
All this sounds great, but in order for it to work equitably for the participants I think a strict set of voting guidelines should be outlined. That way everyone votes using the same criteria.
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