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08/04/2005 12:28:54 PM · #1
Does anyone have any good or bad feelings about Canon Digital Rebel. Also where to go to get good yet affordable lenses. Canon adaptable of course.
Thanks
08/04/2005 12:30:01 PM · #2
300D or the 350D/XT?
08/04/2005 12:31:40 PM · #3
350D XT
08/04/2005 10:50:01 PM · #4
pros:
Outstanding image quality for the price
real fast start up no shutter lag
like other canon, compatible with an outstanding number of canon and third party lenses
small so not a worry to carry with you everywhere you go
cons:
perfectible auto-focus
hard to handle because of the small size
really hard to manual focus because of the too small viewfinder image
crappy LCD screen.

If I'd have to make a choice again I'd buy it again without hesitation.
08/04/2005 10:51:48 PM · #5
I had a 300d...got rid of the toy for a real camera ;)
08/04/2005 11:05:11 PM · #6
115ms blackout time isn't that fast, but not bad... the 300D was 140 and that felt very slow after having a faster one. It's got a small viewfinder. It's got a tiny body which can be annoying for people with bigger hands.

A lot of great things on the camera, it's a great buy.
08/04/2005 11:14:15 PM · #7
I love my Rebel and wouldn't trade it for the world! Granted, it's my first SLR, but I have no complaints. Good battery life, great shots...I've heard that for heavy flash work, an external is better.
Be brave, go for it!
08/04/2005 11:17:25 PM · #8
Originally posted by deapee:

I had a 300d...got rid of the toy for a real camera ;)


I have been debating between the Rebel (probably XT) and the D70 (or D70s). I have not yet done nearly enough research, but can you elaborate on why the Rebel is a toy compared to the D70?
08/04/2005 11:23:17 PM · #9
Originally posted by jpeters:

Originally posted by deapee:

I had a 300d...got rid of the toy for a real camera ;)


I have been debating between the Rebel (probably XT) and the D70 (or D70s). I have not yet done nearly enough research, but can you elaborate on why the Rebel is a toy compared to the D70?

the 300D is a crippled camera. It has no selectable metering, no AI-Servo, almost no buffer... The D70 is a much better camera more comperable to the 10D. The XT rebel is much better than the 300D however, and has much upgraded features. Either one (XT/D70) is a great camera. You just need to figure out if you want nikon or canon lenses to invest in.
08/04/2005 11:28:26 PM · #10
I like the XT much better than my Rebel 300. The size of the Rebel made it easier to grip, but the size of the XT makes it much easier to carry and hold. To me the 300D was just too big and heavy.

The 350D has a lot less noise, and the CR2 format eliminates having THM files everywhere. I regularly shoot at 400 and that's fine, and today I did a lot of 800 and 1600 which was acceptible.

Batteries last a long time; and you can get a second battery, from third parties like Power 2000, and they seem fine too (but much cheaper than Canon's battery.

The Rebel XT is also quieter than the 300D and the 20D. Don't know how the noise compares to the Nikon.

Something else to keep in mind, unless you have a lot of money to spend on lenses, you might want to look also at the Minolta 7D. I think it's great to have IS, and having it built in the camera will save you a ton of money on lenses.


08/05/2005 02:51:44 AM · #11
if you end up choosing between the XT and original, go out and test hold both of them.. I would have bought the XT, had the size not been just faar too small for my hands... the Rebel was just right... and I'm thankful I got the original because I got a secondary lens that I love, too... for a lot less...
08/05/2005 03:08:23 AM · #12
When I was shopping for a dSLR I also had the dilemma of choosing between the D70(s) and the Rebel (also considered 20D but that turned out too expensive for me). After handling both, I chose the D70s because of the ergonomics. It felt much better in my hands, and I like the way the buttons and menus are organized. So definitely go out and try both before you choose.
08/05/2005 03:16:53 AM · #13
Surprised noone has mentioned it, but dpreview.com is a great place to get information on potential cameras too, although, first hand info from the owners here is very helpful also :-)
08/05/2005 03:40:59 AM · #14
There are a lot of complainzs about it's size.
I want a camera I can take everywhere, therefore I wanted something smaller.
After having various P&S cameras the 350 D fits 100 x better in the hand than those.
If it is realy an issue the battery grip helps as more fingers can be used.
Sure the bigger cameras feel a little more comfortable in the hand as the battery compartment is wider, but I have taken over 8000 images with my XT, and have never thought the camera feels uncomfortable whilst photographing.

Also When taking images on a tripod (Which you should do quite often), you don't have to hold the camera anyway.
08/06/2005 11:41:44 AM · #15
aKiwi, i agree with you that the bigger cameras feel better, that is why i went with the 300D.
I have a span of just over 9inches and a palm width of just over 4 inches - these aint hands they are hams.
The only problem I am finding with is is the nut using it - I still have a lot to learn so one day I might get that elusive blue ribbon.
All the best in your search Taikimonster
08/06/2005 11:47:29 AM · #16
The 350D is supposed to have a problem with softness... apparently the 6MP 10D gives sharper and clearer results.
08/06/2005 10:09:45 PM · #17
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

The 350D is supposed to have a problem with softness... apparently the 6MP 10D gives sharper and clearer results.


Never heard of that... and never found my images to be soft! Do you have more information about this?
08/06/2005 11:15:21 PM · #18
I'll address the lens issue...

First, what do you shoot, or want to shoot? that will affect your choices.

If you have a budget...the kit lens adds $100 to the kit, but can be had on ebay like new for $70 or less. The Tamron 28-80 3.5-5.6 is $50 on ebay, $75 or so from b&h. Not as wide, but longer (18-55 vs 28-80).

The canon 50 1.8. $70.

Sigma 70-300 4-5.6 APO DG Super Macro 2, about $220 b&h, less new on ebay.

Got more money? The Sigma 18-50 2.8 EX DC at $420-500 is great. Sigma and tamron both make very very good 24-70 (or 24-75 or so) 2.8 lenses in teh $300-350 range. Once you have fast glass, or good glass, you cannot go back.

If the 70-300 does not give you all the macro you need, check the offerings in teh 90-105mm macro range = everybody makes one..not cheap at $400-600.

Extension tubes are an option, or get a reverse mount ring and put the 50 1.8 on the 70-300 - about $10 for that option.

There are many 18-200, 24-200, 28-300 type lenses out there. The beneift is one lens to carry, damage or lose and the cost is reasonable. However, the quality will not be anywhere are good as the above lenses. Anytime you use a lens at one of the otehr of it's extremes (18mm at 2.8 or 300mm etc) you will find the weak points of that lens. It is all a compromise - range, cost, quality...

If you prefer a certain type of photography more than something else, get a better lens for that and make due with a lesser lens fo hte other stuff.
08/06/2005 11:18:15 PM · #19
Originally posted by nicklevy:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

The 350D is supposed to have a problem with softness... apparently the 6MP 10D gives sharper and clearer results.


Never heard of that... and never found my images to be soft! Do you have more information about this?


There is a firmware update for soemthing...I can't recall, But i think it was AF issues with certain lenses. 1.0.2 or 1.0.3 is the current version - check canon's website under 350XT for the latest firmware.
08/06/2005 11:24:03 PM · #20
Originally posted by nicklevy:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

The 350D is supposed to have a problem with softness... apparently the 6MP 10D gives sharper and clearer results.


Never heard of that... and never found my images to be soft! Do you have more information about this?


All the reviews in the UK mag 'Amateur Photographer' talk about this on a regular basis. Their reviews are extremely thorough. I don't believe it's an AF issue.
08/08/2005 08:47:46 PM · #21
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by nicklevy:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

The 350D is supposed to have a problem with softness... apparently the 6MP 10D gives sharper and clearer results.


Never heard of that... and never found my images to be soft! Do you have more information about this?


All the reviews in the UK mag 'Amateur Photographer' talk about this on a regular basis. Their reviews are extremely thorough. I don't believe it's an AF issue.


Would this be considered having the softness problem?

08/08/2005 08:51:30 PM · #22
I'd have to see the same shot with a 10D, then I could tell you! Apparently the noise reduction can be a bit aggressive, meaning that detail in distant foliage is lost. The sharpness you're refering to in your shot is very contrasty. A 10D might keep more detail in the trees on the distant hill, or in some of the foliage. But I'm not an expert, read the back issues!
08/08/2005 08:59:42 PM · #23
I have had mine since last december, and with more than 6000 shots, I don't have any complain about the rebel (300d).

Certainly I don't like too much the start-up time, it's very long. But that hasn't stopped me for taking photos.
08/08/2005 09:51:48 PM · #24
Originally posted by Netwalker100:

I have had mine since last december, and with more than 6000 shots, I don't have any complain about the rebel (300d).

Certainly I don't like too much the start-up time, it's very long. But that hasn't stopped me for taking photos.


That was one of the worst things about the 300d. I guess the 350's startup time is .2 seconds -- which matches the d70. .2 seconds is a very quick time...I used to hate it when the 300d went into 'sleep mode' -- because you put it upto your eye, press the shutter, and you gotta wait two seconds before it's ready to start focusing. With the d70 (and 350xt obviously), it almost feels instantaneous.
08/08/2005 10:37:07 PM · #25
Those of you who are commenting on using the 300d, could you please comment on whether or not you are using the Firmware Hack?

My friend has been considering going from the 300d to the 20d, but when told about the Firmware hack, he installed it. He no longer feels that there is a good reason to upgrade. He is very happy with the 300d.

I'd personally love to hear how responsive the autofocus is on the Sigma 70-300 Super Macro2. I have heard that Sigma's autofocus system doesn't mesh well with Canon bodies. I have no actual evidence that this is so though. When I go for my dslr, I will probably pick up the 100mm f2.8 macro USM. I would use it for standard "people" photography as well as macro (with the 50mm 1.8)

DPreview tends to be a bit biased towards Nikon products and they don't mention anything about softness on the 350xt. I would be inclined to believe it however after having used the S2.

Often you have to look at the backgrounds in pictures and performance in less-than-perfect conditions to find out how the camera performs in real-world situations. There are a lot of cameras coming out these days which can create really beautiful pictures by using processing (my finger is pointed most dramatically at the Nikon D50). The bottom line is that the results are from processing and only work when the camera knows what to do (read high contrast). It is worthwhile to find a camera that is able to capture high quality pics with less on board processing.

Anyone have any comments on which cameras' sensors have the best unprocessed images?

I would guess that the 300D and the 10D both beat the 350xt here because of larger photosites. Am I wrong?

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