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08/03/2005 01:04:58 PM · #51
Originally posted by kongphooey:

All...After reading the comments posted to my affluence challenge entry, I feel I have to post a quick note here. I am completely dissapointed in the narrow thinking on the affluence challenge. "Material Wealth" is much more than fast cars and big homes. To some folks a simple house or even a regular meal would be a sign of wealth. To a farmer, his herd or his crop can be a sign of affluence. It's all relative to your surroundings. To me, affluence is not about how much it costs, but how much it means to you. Just my 2 cents.


Look up the word in the dictionary. It does NOT matter what it means to you, but what it actually means...
08/03/2005 02:40:52 PM · #52
I whole-heartedly disagree. All I can say to that is that I do not look forward to living in a world where there is no interpretation. For that sir, is what you are suggesting by your comment. We should all just go by the dictionary definition? Are you kidding me? And here I thought photography was a creative art....

Originally posted by gwphoto:

Originally posted by kongphooey:

All...After reading the comments posted to my affluence challenge entry, I feel I have to post a quick note here. I am completely dissapointed in the narrow thinking on the affluence challenge. "Material Wealth" is much more than fast cars and big homes. To some folks a simple house or even a regular meal would be a sign of wealth. To a farmer, his herd or his crop can be a sign of affluence. It's all relative to your surroundings. To me, affluence is not about how much it costs, but how much it means to you. Just my 2 cents.


Look up the word in the dictionary. It does NOT matter what it means to you, but what it actually means...
08/03/2005 02:51:04 PM · #53
Originally posted by bcoble:

I expected this response from the DPCers. My opinion of Affluence is Power! With power comes control. I kept my picture within the box this time. I usually go alittle outside the box and as a result I get hammered. Most of the DPCers just do not see (and this is only sometimes) beyond the obvious. Its part of the game.


But if people *did* see beyond the obvious there would be no such thing as "out of the box". Its a catch 22.
08/03/2005 02:53:06 PM · #54
please play nice, kids. if this reasonable debate slips any further into shouting and attacks, it will be moved to the rant forum post haste.

different interpretations are up to different people. yes, chances are that those that think "inside" the box succeed more here at dpc. if that's your measure of success, then i suggest you play along and do what you think it takes to make it here.

BUT if you are shooting photos that YOU like that appeal to you and THEN submit them to a challenge based on a non-immediately-recognized interpretation of the topic, you will probably get people telling you that it "does not meet the challenge." it's going to happen. there are at least 85,000,000 threads where people rant and rave about how their photo does indeed meet the challenge and blah blah blah.

i've said it before and i'll say it again: if you are so emotionally attached to your photo that hearing anything negative about it will cause you distress or anger you, you really should not be submitting it to a site like this, thus exposing it to worldwide critique.

it takes diff'rent strokes to move the world, yes it does. :)

now, stop fighting and go shoot purty pitchers or, better yet, vote.
08/03/2005 02:57:43 PM · #55
Just my .02. Some of the challenges are broad in their theme ("five" or "room"), some are narrow. Due to the instructions, this would be a narrow theme.

In voting, I have enjoyed the pictures that show relative affluence, but the ones that do not have the scale within the picture are just too far a stretch. Take the picture out of the challenge and ask if someone would think "affluence". If one person in the pic has something that the others do not, then a clever person still has a hope of arriving at such a thought (even if that thing is actually of very little value), but if it is just a person with very little, how is the viewer supposed to arrive at the idea "wow, even though this isn't very much, he has more than others"?

In the end, the picture should not have to rely on the challenge theme at all and perhaps not even on the title (although I'll reserve judgement on this). It should be able to conjure up the appropriate idea by itself.
08/03/2005 03:00:25 PM · #56
Arrrrrggghhhhhh! Not another "voters are narrow minded!" post!!! ...another case of "voters who don't allow for the minority or individual interpretation of the topic, bla bla bla"

Well - most people think that wood grows on trees, but in my mind, a metal can opener can be "wooden" because I use the term like a positive adjective, like "golden" and such - and yet the voters kept saying my can opener does not meet the "Wooden" challenge.

absurd absurd absurd.

Affluence means material wealth. If finding water is an everyday struggle - save your shots for the "Survival" challenge. OR feel free to interpret the topic any way you want to but don't expect everyone or even anyone to bend to your interpretation (with or without a verbose, explanatory title) and don't call them narrow minded if they don't because in fact, if your intepretation is so far out of the mainstream, then it seems that yours is the very narrow mind by definition. ...but then who's to say what "narrow" means really? An elephant is "narrow" compared to, uh... well compared to Godzilla.

ugh. Ok, ranting over. nothing to see here. crawling back to my neglected work projects. :)

Message edited by author 2005-08-03 15:01:01.
08/03/2005 03:05:29 PM · #57
Been watching this thread with some amusement and some frustration (not a real lot of either but some). Those last two posts are right on!
08/03/2005 03:07:52 PM · #58
Originally posted by sartobr:

Been watching this thread with some amusement and some frustration (not a real lot of either but some). Those last two posts are right on!


I agree 100%
08/03/2005 03:08:42 PM · #59
Originally posted by kpriest:

Affluence means material wealth. If finding water is an everyday struggle - save your shots for the "Survival" challenge.
ugh. Ok, ranting over. nothing to see here. crawling back to my neglected work projects. :)


I think kpriest is spot on.
Affluence indicates to what is 'extra', so it must be connected to 'desire' and NOT 'need'.
Thus a poor man's daily bread can not be correctly interpreted as affluence even for him, his once in a month going to the theater/cinema can be. Because that is 'luxury' to him.
08/03/2005 03:10:01 PM · #60
Originally posted by kpriest:

crawling back to my neglected work projects. :)


Get to work on the Enquirer too!
08/03/2005 03:16:58 PM · #61
This thread is quite amusing :)

When is the July issue of Enquirer coming out Ken?
08/03/2005 03:19:30 PM · #62
Originally posted by louddog:

Get to work on the Enquirer too!

Originally posted by rikki11:

When is the July issue of Enquirer coming out Ken?

I'm sorry, the person you are trying to reach is unavailable. Please leave a message after the affluent sounding beep......

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
08/03/2005 03:23:12 PM · #63
Originally posted by kpriest:

Originally posted by louddog:

Get to work on the Enquirer too!

Originally posted by rikki11:

When is the July issue of Enquirer coming out Ken?

I'm sorry, the person you are trying to reach is unavailable. Please leave a message after the affluent sounding beep......

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


He's being closed minded to us!
08/03/2005 03:29:05 PM · #64
Originally posted by kongphooey:

I whole-heartedly disagree. All I can say to that is that I do not look forward to living in a world where there is no interpretation. For that sir, is what you are suggesting by your comment. We should all just go by the dictionary definition? Are you kidding me? And here I thought photography was a creative art....


You don't have to go by the dictionary defintion at all. You can be creative as you want. You just can't complain when you receive low scores/poor comments because a major part of the challenge is to fit the topic for a large variety of people and photos subscribing to the dictionary defintion are going to come a lot closer than "creative," tenuous, left-field connections based on how you choose to define a word or theme in your own head.
08/03/2005 03:30:09 PM · #65
A persons age will have an effect on what they consider material Wealth
For example what I considered wealth as a child my children and Grandchildren consider a necessite We're in the USA
08/03/2005 03:33:11 PM · #66
IMO

I have been reading some threads about people being unhappy that their interpretation of affluence has been misread. Affluence does mean Rich and Plenty in a simple definition. This is a public contest. Don't feel bad if your submission of a kid, sunset or a waterfall is not doing so well. Obviously it's your interpretation of affluence.

To me? Ben Affleck is affluent. I am not rich but I consider my self affluent because I'm in good health, I have a loving family and good friends. As a member of the public, you see me and Ben in the street who do you consider more affluent?

Here is how I look at every challenge when I vote. I imagine I am the editor of (In this case) Affluent Mag. I need a cover for our first issue. That's it.
08/03/2005 03:35:42 PM · #67
Having followed this thread, think about the following situation.

In some parts of the world people may have to go to the river for water. In that particular society, someone with an indoor water pump would be seen as affluent.

In global context though both subjects would probably have to be present in the image to get the point across.
08/03/2005 03:49:33 PM · #68
I've given up entering challenges now...too busy with all these rant threads!

Every challenge is dissected word by word before people enter, then they post their out-takes and dissect these bit by bit...then comes the fun part after the challenge closes -

No-one understands my out of the box, off the wall, dark and subversive, out of focus shot rants. That starts the whole ball rolling again, so off we all go until the next challenge is announced....

Return to top and start again.

Just chill and let it go if you get a few comments that don't ring your bell, float your boat or fire your rockets. It's supposed to be fun, lighten up! Can't think of anymore cliches, metaphors, similies...can't think anymore.

Steve
08/03/2005 04:09:03 PM · #69
Originally posted by kpriest:

Originally posted by louddog:

Get to work on the Enquirer too!

Originally posted by rikki11:

When is the July issue of Enquirer coming out Ken?

I'm sorry, the person you are trying to reach is unavailable. Please leave a message after the affluent sounding beep......

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Hahahahahhaha! ROFLMAO! Love the "affluent sounding beep" part :)
08/03/2005 05:46:30 PM · #70
Originally posted by Formerlee:

I've given up entering challenges now...too busy with all these rant threads!

Every challenge is dissected word by word before people enter, then they post their out-takes and dissect these bit by bit...then comes the fun part after the challenge closes -

No-one understands my out of the box, off the wall, dark and subversive, out of focus shot rants. That starts the whole ball rolling again, so off we all go until the next challenge is announced....

Return to top and start again.

Just chill and let it go if you get a few comments that don't ring your bell, float your boat or fire your rockets. It's supposed to be fun, lighten up! Can't think of anymore cliches, metaphors, similies...can't think anymore.

Steve


Well said.
08/03/2005 08:24:12 PM · #71
Originally posted by keegbow:

You point is be well taken but the description stated "Knock us out with your representation of material wealth".

You really needed to show material wealth.


Sat this challenge out. I will be pleasantly surprised if the winning photos are not Western Civilizationalisms.
08/03/2005 08:36:59 PM · #72
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Having followed this thread, think about the following situation.

In some parts of the world people may have to go to the river for water. In that particular society, someone with an indoor water pump would be seen as affluent.

In global context though both subjects would probably have to be present in the image to get the point across.


I have to disagree. If you can afford a digital camera then you should know what afluence means.
08/03/2005 08:39:29 PM · #73
Originally posted by notonline:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Having followed this thread, think about the following situation.

In some parts of the world people may have to go to the river for water. In that particular society, someone with an indoor water pump would be seen as affluent.

In global context though both subjects would probably have to be present in the image to get the point across.


I have to disagree. If you can afford a digital camera then you should know what afluence means.


The person taking the picture isn't necessarily part of the society being portrayed in the image.
08/03/2005 08:44:58 PM · #74
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by notonline:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Having followed this thread, think about the following situation.

In some parts of the world people may have to go to the river for water. In that particular society, someone with an indoor water pump would be seen as affluent.

In global context though both subjects would probably have to be present in the image to get the point across.


understandable, but if the photographer can afford the camera and he is to shoot affluence then he should know that its all about money and take the photo accordingly.

I have to disagree. If you can afford a digital camera then you should know what afluence means.


The person taking the picture isn't necessarily part of the society being portrayed in the image.

08/03/2005 08:52:28 PM · #75
You know what dissapointed me about the affluence challenge?

Not a single picture of Woody with BlingBling.

Hey i may have abandoned my woody, but it doesnt seem like i'm the only one guilty of woody abuce - hasn't anyone brought thier woody a gold diamond encrusted $ necklace and a fur coat?
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