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08/02/2005 12:13:37 AM · #51 |
I think some of the confusion has to do with Stars and Stripes, which IS staffed by civilians
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08/02/2005 12:17:20 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
P.S. We don't have soldiers, unless you count the SEALS, of course. The Navy has Sailors, and you'll find that MOST of them have cameras. |
my bad, i knew that just wasnt thinking wheni typed it
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08/02/2005 12:18:40 AM · #53 |
I joined the Navy in 82 after graduating in 81 and waiting for the school I wanted. I ended up going to about a year of Electronics (Avionics) training. I ended up working on A-7E Aircraft Fire-Control Radar and Bombing Navigation equipment and the F/A-18s. After 4 years I re-upped for 6 yeaars and went to school on the Aegis Guided Missile System and spent 6 years on the USS Yorktown (CG-48) based in Norfolk, VA. Like sabphoto, I grew tired of being separated from my family, but I decided to get out after 10 Years. I now am in the IT industry directly as a result of my training on computers (isnt everyone?). I was never into the inter-service rivalry, I had "brothers and sisters" in all branches. I know the Navy has some great schools and training as do all branches. Just make sure you get what you want before you sign up. I will be happy to answer any questions here or via P.M. One thing is for sure, You will be changed forever and that is not a bad thing. It gave me direction, made me independent and confident in my ability to do anything I choose. I was able to visit Spain, France, Italy, Russia, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Egypt, Bulgaria, Romania, Ireland, All over the Caribbean.
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08/02/2005 12:18:52 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
Originally posted by aboutimage:
P.S. We don't have soldiers, unless you count the SEALS, of course. The Navy has Sailors, and you'll find that MOST of them have cameras. |
my bad, i knew that just wasnt thinking wheni typed it |
I thought SEALS were still considered sailors
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08/02/2005 12:43:17 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Originally posted by BigMo:
You have a better chance of getting into the photography with the Navy and make sure they get you that MOS. I do not at all discredit the other branches but the Navy and Army (again make sure they will get you that MOS) have those jobs. Good luck.
SSG Moore |
Hello, I am Fetors mother, and I will be helping him on this journey. I do have a question though. What is MOS? Mode of Service? Sorry, I'm a newbie and military jargon is new to me.
Does anyone know anything about colorblindness and the ability to get this particular job?
Great thread by the way, very informative and inspirational! |
From what it sounds like to me, Cory wants to be a PH (photographers Mate) You would have to ask the recruiter about the color blindness. This will surely make a difference for getting into some Rates. If Cory has what it takes, I think PH is one of the rates that are accepted into the SEALs. You would go to PH school and then into the training pipeline for the SEALS. Let's just say you would be one hell of a photographer =) and you would get to carry your "weapon" too
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08/02/2005 12:50:51 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
P.S. We don't have soldiers, unless you count the SEALS, of course. The Navy has Sailors, and you'll find that MOST of them have cameras.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you just either royally offended every single marine....or you just gave them their dream and made them an independent corps?
Unless I'm mistaken, is not the Marine (Marine = Ocean) Corps a segment of the navy. Marines were throughout history "naval operated ground units" ? |
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08/02/2005 12:55:10 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by VinceDoss:
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Originally posted by BigMo:
You have a better chance of getting into the photography with the Navy and make sure they get you that MOS. I do not at all discredit the other branches but the Navy and Army (again make sure they will get you that MOS) have those jobs. Good luck.
SSG Moore |
Hello, I am Fetors mother, and I will be helping him on this journey. I do have a question though. What is MOS? Mode of Service? Sorry, I'm a newbie and military jargon is new to me.
Does anyone know anything about colorblindness and the ability to get this particular job?
Great thread by the way, very informative and inspirational! |
From what it sounds like to me, Cory wants to be a PH (photographers Mate) You would have to ask the recruiter about the color blindness. This will surely make a difference for getting into some Rates. If Cory has what it takes, I think PH is one of the rates that are accepted into the SEALs. You would go to PH school and then into the training pipeline for the SEALS. Let's just say you would be one hell of a photographer =) and you would get to carry your "weapon" too |
i was sopposed to go to the recruiters today but the city was digging up my driveway to put in a water line
ill go tomorrow and post how it goes and what i find out
thanks all for the comments and your input, helps a lot
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08/02/2005 01:00:29 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by aboutimage:
P.S. We don't have soldiers, unless you count the SEALS, of course. The Navy has Sailors, and you'll find that MOST of them have cameras.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you just either royally offended every single marine....or you just gave them their dream and made them an independent corps?
Unless I'm mistaken, is not the Marine (Marine = Ocean) Corps a segment of the navy. Marines were throughout history "naval operated ground units" ? |
Not really offended here...or maybe it's that I'm too lazy to read the whole thread... but 15 years in the Suck (Marine Corp) and I seen a lot of dirt and sand only got to play with the floaties a couple times. The Wing got us to where we needed to be cause we usually needed to get there a little faster than the boats could.
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08/02/2005 01:16:53 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Correct me if I am wrong, but you just either royally offended every single marine....or you just gave them their dream and made them an independent corps?
Unless I'm mistaken, is not the Marine (Marine = Ocean) Corps a segment of the navy. Marines were throughout history "naval operated ground units" ? |
Unless I missed my mark, that comment of mine surely didn't offend any Marines. I think calling one a Sailor mind offend him/her, though. Yes, they are a "part" of the Navy, but trust me, it's only administrative. They make their own rules and run their own show.
If I had to guess, I'd say that old Tom Cruise movie hit pretty close to the mark of how most Marines think of the Navy - when the Colonel said "We like you Navy boys. Every time we need to go somewhere, you give us a ride"... |
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08/02/2005 01:26:48 AM · #60 |
the reason im still considering the marines is because i want that pride that ALL marines have, they have the knowledge that they are the best that the military can produce, and i want to know that im the best. i want to be the best, yall males know what i mean, women dont seem to understand this concept
"why does everything have to be a contest?" - 3 females i know
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08/02/2005 03:04:52 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
...i want to know that im the best. i want to be the best... |
Maybe you should be looking deeper than just what branch you want. Look to what special operations group you want to fight to be a part of.
Air Force
Special Operations / STT (Special Tactics Team)
Army
Special Forces (Green Beret)
Rangers
Delta (Delta Force)
Marines
Force Recon
MSPF (Maritime Special Purpose Force)
SRT (Special Response Team)
FAST (Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team)
Scout/Sniper
Navy
SEAL (Sea Air Land Team)
SBR (Special Boat Unit)
Not a comprehensive list but all the major badasses are here. |
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08/02/2005 03:53:35 AM · #62 |
(since TechnoShroom left out my favored branch...)
Coast Guard
Motor Life Boat - pilot 44'-47' foot boats in 20ft seas
Aviation Survivalman - these guys jump out of helicopters in the middle of hurricane seas to rescue people |
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08/02/2005 06:05:53 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by aboutimage:
P.S. We don't have soldiers, unless you count the SEALS, of course. The Navy has Sailors, and you'll find that MOST of them have cameras.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you just either royally offended every single marine....or you just gave them their dream and made them an independent corps?
Unless I'm mistaken, is not the Marine (Marine = Ocean) Corps a segment of the navy. Marines were throughout history "naval operated ground units" ? |
Hmmmm... Marines aren't really sailors, nor are they soldiers. they seems to be somewhere in the middle. I think the official term is "jarhead".
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08/02/2005 09:00:54 AM · #64 |
if I can offer some advise...YES some of the photographers are being phased out for civilian people (medical photographer for instance) but that should ONLY be on land based commands not ships.
I could very well be wrong but, I didn't know Marines (yes Marines, not soliders, soliders are in the Army, Marines are either Marines or Ground pounders) had photographers and would most certainly check around alot of their use, go past your recruiter, talk to a Marine Base Public Affairs Office and ask them how many military staff photographers there are. And usually you are a Marine or Solider first, then comes your job, so if they need someone to do Marine work and you're not, guess what, you most likely will be soon.
Recruiters have been known (ducking right about now) for lying at times to get people in and some will tell you "ok go through basic then pick your job"...don't do it. Get your job (MOS, NEC, ETC) in advance. Otherwise you may very well be sorry later.
Something else to know that could probably be verified by the other military photograhers on here that is probably not a big issue but whatever you shoot with military equipment belongs to the military, you may get a byline but no copyright privileges. Again, that may not be an issue but I have a med photo friend who always has to watch what he shoots to avoid this.
I would prefer Navy if wanting a photo job and I truly wish I had gotten off my a** earlier in my career and moved to a journalist job instead of the @#%$ I'm doing. Go for what is going to make you happy and make sure you grow, don't let it kick you down.
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 09:01:13.
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08/02/2005 09:06:03 AM · #65 |
Scott has a very valid point that you should consider vitally important... Get a guarantee of the job you want in writing before you agree to join. No matter what service it is. If they can't put it in writing up front, then they can't give it to you. I'm afraid it is sadly true that many recruiters will say one thing but what happens is another. That is something all services are trying to fix right now. Don't let their rascally ways scare you off though. Just act like you are dealing with a car salesman and you will do fine.
Jack
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08/02/2005 09:48:30 AM · #66 |
Yup about the recruiter part...mine wined and dined me to no end... but left out some important things like Enlistment Bonus, Promotion guarantees...and funny he failed to mention the reserves to me.
He did get me guaranteed Communication-Electronics (but you have to do your part and test high on the tests).
People here mention Marines as Ground Pounders but there is a whole other world in the Corps (and all services) and that was the Comm-Elec world. I never got near the canon cockers.
I was a bonus baby in the Comms world. Sure I had to qualify with the Rifle and Pistol every year and pass the lovely PFTs, but the rest was almost business as usual. Promotions were faster and then there were the re-enlistment bonuses, while I was in re-enlistment bonuses for me were 15K, and 30K (twice) given in cash (taxes were taken out).
I troubleshot and repaired all equipment associated with our Comm Centers. Stuff like Phone System, Crypto, TTY and Pewters.
One of my units we had a Supply Officer (like the movie Heartbreak Ridge) running the Comm shop. He had us doing the uh-rah thing jumping from perfectly good helicopters and repeling and the 25-mile forced march thing. He was an idiot, as Communicators had a saying "If you can't truck it .... it, we ain't going there."
My last unit was Rag Bag (Jarheads will know) which was a Counter Intelligence unit which has some pretty neat stuff to fix and play with. Fortunatly I was with them during desert storm and got to see that whole thing go down through their eyes and it was something else.
Just pointing out there are other things to do besides being a cannon cocker in all of the Services, as for being a PJ I don't know there are a lot of opennings when you get out, but the IT/System Engineer world there are a few left. I can't complain as I now make a buck or two :)
Make sure your recruiter does you right...don't settle for he gives you...you HAVE to ask. Guaranteed Field, Bonuses, Reserves and Promotions.
The service has come a long ways...I was in a Microsoft Exchange 2003 cert class a couple of weeks ago and the students was me (former Jarhead), 16 Jarheads and 1 squid. All young guys 18-24 learning really cool and useful stuff.
I'll shut up now.
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 11:11:36.
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08/02/2005 10:29:30 AM · #67 |
Cory,
Everyone has great points here. The first thing you need is to score high on the ASVAB test(Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery). This will determine what you can and cannot get into. THIS IS KEY!
Once you score high (like we know you will!) they will see you as a piece of the puzzle to fill a slot and will probably "suggest" jobs that have "critical manning levels". This may or may not have anything to do with what you are interested in. Your mom mention Color Vision, My quick search last night showed that the PH rate in the Navy requires "good color vision". You need to know for sure. I wanted to get into the AEF program (Advanced Electronics Field) and waited 11 months for a seat in school. It was called the Delayed Entry Program then. That time counted towards my time in service. If you get a high enough score they will try to get you to go Nuke or something that is critical again as awpollard said there are some nice bonuses out there in certain critical rates. I got 30k for re-upping for 6 years back in 1985 as a Fire Controlman (FC) and went to school for another 9 months. There are several other Rates that have Photographic skill as a plus, Intelligence specialist is one that I saw. All of the (IS) guys I knew seemed to enjoy their jobs and had some sweeeet duty stations. Now the AEF field includes Information Technology and I am sure that is always a crowded choice but remember your test score is your bargaining chip. There are online sites to prepare you for the ASVAB and supplemental material just like stuff for the College exams available in book stores. I put my brother-in-law in as a Machinist's Mate and he loved it, got great training and does it today as a civilian. ANYWAY...I ramble on...blah, blah, blah
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08/02/2005 10:44:11 AM · #68 |
i took it a few days ago
i was told 73 was high
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 10:45:33.
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08/02/2005 10:54:25 AM · #69 |
| My-son-the-marine got 98 on the ASVAB. And then he CHOSE machine gunner as his MOS. Go figure. |
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08/02/2005 11:00:32 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
i took it a few days ago
i was told 73 was high |
That is only your "Line Score" and is taken for most service branches to get in...
The Navy uses the individual ASVAB subtest score areas to determine whether or not a person qualifies for a job (rating). Here are some examples of ASVAB Subtest scores for certain Navy Jobs.
Navy Job Descriptions and Rate Designations
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 11:08:36.
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08/02/2005 11:18:47 AM · #71 |
thanks for posting that link, i qualify for that
thank God
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08/02/2005 12:53:57 PM · #72 |
There have been a lot of posts here saying if you join the Marines that you WILL be carrying a rifle and you WILL see the desert. This is totally and completely false. You could get stationed a lot of places and never set foot in the desert. For example, the Marines here at Quantico and up the road at HQMC will never go over unless they want to or reenlist and get transferred to a deployable unit. Just wanted to throw that it...
Every Marine is a basic rifleman, but that doesn't mean you'll be toting a rifle everyday. I was a computer nerd(ADA/Cobol Programmer, Small Systems Specialist, Computer Security Specialist) and I saw a rifle and pistol once a year. |
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08/02/2005 01:03:14 PM · #73 |
kpriest
My brother was on the last Fletcher crew. I didn't realize that decomming a ship gave as much advantage to ones career as it does (since I was an AF guy and all). |
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08/02/2005 01:16:13 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by toddhead:
Every Marine is a basic rifleman, but that doesn't mean you'll be toting a rifle everyday. I was a computer nerd(ADA/Cobol Programmer, Small Systems Specialist, Computer Security Specialist) and I saw a rifle and pistol once a year. |
With some of the electronic gear I worked on in the Navy, I WISHED I could tote a gun with me everyday! LOL
Reminds me to add that there are "Collateral duties" in the Navy. Onboard the ship I was also part of the PRP program, tasked with guarding the nuclear weapons (in case we ever had any, which I could not confirm nor deny) and part of the security alert team. That was both a pain in the butt and a lot of fun.
Found a pic of a very young (19) kpriest. Yeah, I know, they gave me a gun???
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08/02/2005 01:17:54 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by TacoVendor:
kpriest
My brother was on the last Fletcher crew. I didn't realize that decomming a ship gave as much advantage to ones career as it does (since I was an AF guy and all). |
Wow! Small world! I might have met him when I was down there in October for the Decomm.
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