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07/13/2005 03:05:55 AM · #76
Originally posted by colyla:



3. Learn about...hhhmmmm....curves & levels, would like to learn them but understand them. Learn how to photoshop to make my photo look the way "I" saw it....and to not 'look' photoshopped. Selective desaturation. Black/white. Fix blurry pictures. Pretty much everything and anything! :)


Think you have hit the nail on the head... make a photo look the way you saw it.

You need post processing tools to do that. Cameras are not capable of capturing the image the way it "really" was so we must use editing tools to help us recover it.
07/13/2005 06:34:17 AM · #77
I'm all about learning curves if we have a resident expert. I'll be durned if I can use curves without totally blowing colors out of the water. Just a PITA to me knowing that curves are probably the singlemost powerful edit I could be performing to enhance the dynamic range in my photos and everytime I get the dynamic range type issue where I want it I've blown one color completely into some other color (like my greens look purple or something along those lines).

Kev
07/13/2005 07:47:13 AM · #78
Originally posted by aboutimage:

Originally posted by Bebe:

THanks, Olyuzi. Yours still seems sharper to me; I think I must have lost some clarity on the way ...

... Now that we've taken on sharpness and USM a little bit, are you starting to understand why "Curves" has the potential to make the image blurry? Because "Curves" can selectively brighten or darken a VERY specific range of color/luminosity, it is possible to essentially REMOVE the high contrast edge, making the image appear blurry again.


Many thanks, aboutimage. Now that you explained it, I understand how my curves could have lost sharpness (and some of my color changes too!) That in itself made this thread very much worth my while! As with KevinRiggs, I'm very up for learning about curves. My images seem to die when I touch them!
07/13/2005 01:29:01 PM · #79
Let me apologise in advance: I won't be posting much at all until late tonight. I had an eye exam today, and they dilated my pupils. My close vision really sucks at the moment, and I can barely read to type this. Will get involved a little later.
07/13/2005 01:51:42 PM · #80
No problem, I am working on other projects at the moment and so need some of this downtime. Rest up!

Originally posted by aboutimage:

Let me apologise in advance: I won't be posting much at all until late tonight. I had an eye exam today, and they dilated my pupils. My close vision really sucks at the moment, and I can barely read to type this. Will get involved a little later.
07/13/2005 02:01:38 PM · #81
Originally posted by aboutimage:

Let me apologise in advance: I won't be posting much at all until late tonight. I had an eye exam today, and they dilated my pupils. My close vision really sucks at the moment, and I can barely read to type this. Will get involved a little later.

I'll try to keep an "eye" on things for you. Hard telling how much misinformation I can dispense in that time. LOL!

So far I have got no suggestions for changes to the "selection techniques" lesson. If something comes to anyone's mind in or out of our group that should be covered please PM me. The new lesson HW assignments will incorporate adjustment layers to build on that skill. I will work on the lesson and target getting it out sometime during the weekend. I know you will all be sitting on the edge of your keyboards in anticipation! :)

In the meantime, keep playing with "adjustment layers" and asking questions.
07/13/2005 02:03:04 PM · #82
Originally posted by aboutimage:

Let me apologise in advance: I won't be posting much at all until late tonight. I had an eye exam today, and they dilated my pupils. My close vision really sucks at the moment, and I can barely read to type this. Will get involved a little later.


er..before it improves can you vote on my Family challenge entry? ;)
07/13/2005 02:39:36 PM · #83
Steve, your lesson plan for selection techniques looks pretty comprehensive to me. I'm alreay impressed, and a bit daunted, but I can't wait to tackle it. :) I was afraid it would be posted over the weekend since I'm working Friday, Saturday and Sunday...Looks like I'm going to have to call in sick...I do have my priorities, you know. lol
Anyway, anticipation of a great learning experience to come.

Originally posted by stdavidson:


So far I have got no suggestions for changes to the "selection techniques" lesson. If something comes to anyone's mind in or out of our group that should be covered please PM me. The new lesson HW assignments will incorporate adjustment layers to build on that skill. I will work on the lesson and target getting it out sometime during the weekend. I know you will all be sitting on the edge of your keyboards in anticipation! :)

In the meantime, keep playing with "adjustment layers" and asking questions.


Message edited by author 2005-07-13 14:42:03.
07/13/2005 03:04:20 PM · #84
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Steve, your lesson plan for selection techniques looks pretty comprehensive to me. I'm alreay impressed, and a bit daunted, but I can't wait to tackle it. :) I was afraid it would be posted over the weekend since I'm working Friday, Saturday and Sunday...Looks like I'm going to have to call in sick...I do have my priorities, you know. lol
Anyway, anticipation of a great learning experience to come.

Originally posted by stdavidson:


So far I have got no suggestions for changes to the "selection techniques" lesson. If something comes to anyone's mind in or out of our group that should be covered please PM me. The new lesson HW assignments will incorporate adjustment layers to build on that skill. I will work on the lesson and target getting it out sometime during the weekend. I know you will all be sitting on the edge of your keyboards in anticipation! :)

In the meantime, keep playing with "adjustment layers" and asking questions.

I do have one thing you might consider adding: using vector shapes as selection tools.
07/13/2005 03:35:45 PM · #85
Maybe somebody can explain why im gonna get DQ'd for adjusting levels,and adding a border to my photo. They say its not original, and that it has been run through ACDsee systems, but my camera automatically sends them to ACDsee to view them. All I know is I didn't do anything to my photo against the rules, I kept the original, snapped the shot with the time and days required, and im still gonna get DQ'd.
07/13/2005 03:58:21 PM · #86
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

Maybe somebody can explain why im gonna get DQ'd for adjusting levels,and adding a border to my photo. They say its not original, and that it has been run through ACDsee systems, but my camera automatically sends them to ACDsee to view them. All I know is I didn't do anything to my photo against the rules, I kept the original, snapped the shot with the time and days required, and im still gonna get DQ'd.

I've no idea, truly. Saw your other post. While I'm sure it's not the source of your problem, you could probably do better than ACDsee, though. My current personal favorite is Picasa2 (free download from Google). It allows basic editing and will index all your photos.

The only reason I can think of for a DQ is maybe the frame itself. Is it a fancy frame or a simple line? If it's a complex frame, they may contend that the frame itself adds an element to the photo. I never use anything more than a simple line, myself.
07/13/2005 06:42:56 PM · #87
, you could probably do better than ACDsee, though

To edit, I use Adobe 7.0 not ACDsee. ACDsee was standard for my camera and I like to view them from there, especially on Basic Editing Challenges. The border is not the source of the problem, its simple.

The only thing i can think of is I rotated the picture, I dont remember doing it, but if I did i probably never looked back. Either that or they want me to send them the picture strait off memory card, and I dont know how to do that without my camera automatically sending them to ACDsee so...
07/13/2005 08:09:30 PM · #88
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

, you could probably do better than ACDsee, though

To edit, I use Adobe 7.0 not ACDsee. ACDsee was standard for my camera and I like to view them from there, especially on Basic Editing Challenges. The border is not the source of the problem, its simple.

The only thing i can think of is I rotated the picture, I dont remember doing it, but if I did i probably never looked back. Either that or they want me to send them the picture strait off memory card, and I dont know how to do that without my camera automatically sending them to ACDsee so...

Hate to be a party pooper, but this really isn't a post processing mentorship issue. The issue here is why did an image get DQed which is beyond the scope and purpose of this thread.

The issue is important, yes, but could it be taken to the SC and/or put into its own thread where it is more appropriate? Thanks! :)
07/13/2005 08:16:57 PM · #89
yes sir, and indeed you are right. I apologize, but with the post processing thread open I would really like to know if Adobe 7.0 is a good program to be using or is there much better ones available. I have never used anything else seriously, but I really enjoy it.
07/13/2005 08:26:22 PM · #90
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

yes sir, and indeed you are right. I apologize, but with the post processing thread open I would really like to know if Adobe 7.0 is a good program to be using or is there much better ones available. I have never used anything else seriously, but I really enjoy it.

In my opinion, nothing can touch Photoshop for raw power. Some people like other programs, but I suspect it's because PS has a high initial learning curve which can be a bit daunting. If you stick with it, you'll find you can do ANYTHING with it.
07/13/2005 08:29:41 PM · #91
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

yes sir, and indeed you are right. I apologize, but with the post processing thread open I would really like to know if Adobe 7.0 is a good program to be using or is there much better ones available. I have never used anything else seriously, but I really enjoy it.

Good question.

Photoshop is the industry standard product for still image editing. However, PS7 is an older version of the product. I don't own it, but the current version is Photoshop CS2.
07/13/2005 08:31:19 PM · #92
Absolutely! I spent many hours reading the book, but I love it, and every time I open it I learn something new. I'll tell ya what, I am glad you posted that message because I couldn't imagine having to learn something with even more post processing capabilities.
07/14/2005 01:48:27 PM · #93
Hey guys! Eagerly awaiting the selections lessons but I have a question in the meantime about hardware related to post processing. I have a feeling that using different selection techniques will require a great amount of manual dexterity and was wondering if you recommend purchasing those pen tablets, such as the ones made by Wacom. If so, then could you recommend a model that would be good for photographers?
Thanks,
Oly

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 13:49:03.
07/14/2005 08:44:33 PM · #94
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Hey guys! Eagerly awaiting the selections lessons but I have a question in the meantime about hardware related to post processing. I have a feeling that using different selection techniques will require a great amount of manual dexterity and was wondering if you recommend purchasing those pen tablets, such as the ones made by Wacom. If so, then could you recommend a model that would be good for photographers?
Thanks,
Oly

Good question. You are right complex selections can require practice and dexterity. A tablet, which costs about $100 I think, is a good idea if you plan to do complex selections of irregular shapes on a regular basis. They are for sophisticated, artistic type users and makes doing that type of work easier. PS CS has built-ins that will respond to the amount of pressure you put on the tablet as well that the keyboard does not do.

I'm working on the selection lesson and should have it done soon. That should give you a better idea whether or not you might want to buy a tablet.
07/14/2005 09:18:49 PM · #95
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

Absolutely! I spent many hours reading the book, but I love it, and every time I open it I learn something new. I'll tell ya what, I am glad you posted that message because I couldn't imagine having to learn something with even more post processing capabilities.

For me, the answer is "No". Like Steve said, it's largely personal preference. I think after we get done with the selection lesson (or lessons, as it may turn out), you will probably find several techniques that require absolutely minimal manual dexterity.
07/15/2005 11:29:07 PM · #96
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07/15/2005 11:58:06 PM · #97
O.K... i have returned... i have skimmed the forum, but as yet haven't absorbed anything, ( still in holiday mode) an hoping about image or stdavidson can explain what i need to know to get started....
and BTW stdavidson, you left a great comment on a photo of mine regarding post processing... thanks so much for that...

07/16/2005 09:20:24 PM · #98
The first of three parts of the post processing selection techniques lesson is completed and found here:

Post Processing Lesson - Selection Techniques

This should give those of you who have not used marquee tools a good fundamental introduction to them. Many of the tricks used with marquee tools carry over into other areas of PS.

I will be working on and adding the "Selection" menu component next. I will update the lesson with that component when it is completed.

Have fun!
07/18/2005 08:46:16 PM · #99
The first two main sections of a three part lesson on selection techniques and found here:

Post Processing Lesson - Selection Techniques

Summary of changes:
1-A second practice graphic was added.
2-The first section on marquee tool was revises.
3-The second major section, the "Select" menu was added.

Though the two practice lessons have not been added yet the two sample graphics are used extensively in the lesson text to provide examples of most of the concepts covered so you can gain hands-on experience wit the tools as you read and learn more about selection techniques.

I will be working on and adding the Advanced Selection Techniques" and proactice lessons to finalize this lesson.

My plan it to convert the lesson into an official DPC tutorial for everyone after you guys use and and help wme work out its weaknesses.

Enjoy!

07/19/2005 04:21:25 PM · #100
Finally, an official lesson using selection tools has been completed! :)

It is called:
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Practice Assignment #1 – Using ‘Edit>Paste Into’ for Simple Sky Replacements
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It is located at the end of the selection techniques lesson that is STILL under development at:
Post Processing Lesson - Selection Techniques

Try to complete the lesson on your own and share your result, questions and experiences with the group in the lesson thread.

Lets try to have this first selection techniques assignment completed by the end of the week.

Have fun!
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