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07/14/2005 03:31:01 PM · #26
Should we be commenting on the image in this thread or on the image itself?
07/14/2005 03:34:34 PM · #27
I would rather you do it in the thread to keep it all in one place.
07/14/2005 03:36:44 PM · #28
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Here's a landscape that is also an abstract.

Ink Blot

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Comments and critiques welcomed.


Okee doke... Here's my comment for this image...

What works: High horizon, leading line of the river, symmetry of the trees and far shore with the reflections.

What doesn't work: I feal that there is too much detail on the far shore and that it would work better if that were more in silhouette. I think this would bring out the light in the house (I think that's what it is) more.

07/14/2005 04:49:05 PM · #29
Originally posted by gi_joe05:

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Here's a landscape that is also an abstract.

Ink Blot

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Comments and critiques welcomed.


allright well, first of all a couple of quesions, This is a group activity so everyone who is a member of this group needs to do this if you have a moment. Includeing nshapiro.

1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph.

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different.


Ok, I'll bite and pretend this isn't mine.

1. The strongest part of this is the natural gradient of colors combined with the simple, ink-blot like (symmetrical around it's axis) form. It's basically a geometrical abstract.

2. In this small version, there's some artifacts/oversharpening of the trees on the left against the sky. Also, it would be nice to see a bit more contrast, without losing the gradient. Its difficult to tell sometimes how far one should go with levels--always setting the black and white points to the histogram can change the mood of a scene, if it's low contrast to begin with.

3. Better resizing--I suspect the photographer has a hard time reducing photos to 640 pixels while retaining quality and not introducing artifacts.

4. For the abstract intent of ths shot, I think it was shot as best it could be. Though the photographer could have had a better camera--it was shot with a G2 ;)

Here it is as shot from the camera, but simply converted from RAW using default settings in Thumbsplus (DCRAW) and reduced to 640 with no addition cropping, processing, sharpening, etc. Note that the white balance was intentionally set to tungsten to give a blue tone (this is the benefit of RAW though--you can change the white balance to anything you want, after the fact so it could have just as easily been done after the fact, and it can be rebalanced if I wanted to.)

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Edit. Actually, when I dug for this image originally, I had trouble finding my "ink blot" folder, with the image as processed for posting several years ago on another site. Actually, there's so little difference between my reprocessed shot I just posted, and the one I posted the other day, I wonder if I even posted the right version in the first place. I'll have to go online and see if I just didn't do much processing of the original to begin with! I thought I had done some work on it other than just resizing! (But it was originally taken quite a while back--11/03.)

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 16:53:06.
07/14/2005 05:09:17 PM · #30
Maybe we should try a more "traditional" landscape than my abstract one. I pick this one. I want to see Colette's critique of her own ;)

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1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.

I think this is a great shot, but it's hard to describe why. It follows many standard rules, except there's no strong subject. That weakness may in fact be it's strength. It's a landscape of "details", it contains a pattern of flowers as a major foreground, a pattern of small, congestive clouds in the sky, and a very small image of a farm buildings in the sweet spot. I think, in fact, it's the small details which in their repetition make up a better gestalt (whole), that make it work so well visually, and the striking colors.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph. The sky blues seem a little purplish on my monitor, but it could be that the DPC colors have just burned into my eyes ;)

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph. Color adjustment to the sky, perhaps, if it's off.

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different. I think it would have been interesting to see if this would work if lower to the ground. Give the flowers in the front a little more attention, allow perspective to play a biggger role, and possibly lead in from there. Or maybe somehow using leading lines to lead you into the photo more from the foreground. Or maybe if aliens had written a message in the field, that would be cool to capture ;)

07/14/2005 05:13:17 PM · #31
This is in response to "ink blot"

1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph.

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different.

allright, sorry this took so long...life has been crazy for the past two days.

1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.
-Well, I think that the location in itself is very strong, but for me I think the color tone of this photograph are it's strongest point. Looking through the eyes of a consumer I am drawn into this photograph by the blue tones offset by the black.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.
-I feel that the exposure and horizon line are it's eakist points. I think the image is a little over exposed if only by one or two stops. I also think that there is to much detail in the horizion line, to fix this simply step backward or zoom out. That would change this shot but I feel that it would make it better.

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph.
-well, I think some selictive dodge and burning could help. Specificly along the horizion

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different.
-Well I think if you could go back to this location about an hour later and take a few steps backwards it would do wonders.

5. (I added this one)
-Great shot overall, there are just a few little hookups. This shot is a good example of foreground. I would have prefered to see more movement in the water to offset the lack of movement in the background. Also too I agree with the quality of the camera issue. That is nothing you can control and I understand that. On a scale of one to ten on this photograph as is I would give this a 6. it's better than a snapshot but not ready to put on the wall just yet.

great job and as always keep shooting, the only difference betwen you and the greats is they have taken more bad pictures

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 17:13:55.
07/14/2005 07:37:16 PM · #32
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Ahem...

1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.

There's not really anything tangible drawing the viewer into this image. It's more perceptual. The perception of depth created by the expanse of vegetation in the foreground. The size of the out buildings and trees in the background add to this perception due to their size.

Also, the definition of the clouds adds to the interest in this image.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.

The depth is cut off by the line of trees on the horizon. This foreshortens the image and takes away from the feel of depth.

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph.
Maybe enhance the contours in the clouds.

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different.

To the left of the trees on the horizon the fields open up. Reshooting from a different angle to show the continuation of the field I feel could add to the feeling of depth.
07/14/2005 07:44:39 PM · #33
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

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2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.

The depth is cut off by the line of trees on the horizon. This foreshortens the image and takes away from the feel of depth.



Colette, that's a great observation. I had not seen nor thought about that, but I can picture the improvement. Very good self critique. :)
07/14/2005 08:03:17 PM · #34
Thanks Neil.

With looking at this image critically I figured out that for me, a good landscape of this type has to give the feeling of going on forever (in a lot of cases).
07/14/2005 10:57:48 PM · #35
just want you to know that we are adding two new members into our group. tristalisk and pgatt! lets try to make them feel welcome eh?
07/14/2005 11:17:53 PM · #36
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here we go

1. what do you feel is the strongest point of this photograph, that is what is the best part of it.
-well, I have to agree, the detail in this is great. I feel that the eye for detail in this shot is really very good.

2. what do you feel is the weakist point of this photograph.
-I feel also too that the horizion line cuts off the movement from both the background and the foreground. This is an example of where the mid ground mutes the movment of the shot.

3. What, if any, editing can be done to enhance his photograph.
-Well, I don't think much editing can be done with this. mabey some sharpining but be careful not to oversharpen.

4. If this could be reshot, what would you suggest doing different.
-I say move the midground, either get those trees out of the shot or come back at sunset. Also too mabey go back and use a tripod and shutter timer to hlep clear up the softness of the flowers and if you use anything but manual I encourage you to try and use a manual mode and a light meter. either in camera or handheld, it doesn't sound like much but when it comes to quality and sharpness it goes a long long way.

and as always keep shooting
07/14/2005 11:28:52 PM · #37
I am going out tomarow morning to catch sunrise in my box. (take pictures of sunrise) I am hopeing to take it to school to edit and post here tomarow.

and just a real quick poll here. what would you guys think of having weekly themes to shoot. I'm thinking like one week we shoot a sunset and the next we shoot something with water ect. I have been kicking this idea around and I think it would make us all better and of course particapation isn't mandatory and ALL landsapes are always accpeted here.
what do you cats think?
07/14/2005 11:55:17 PM · #38
Welcome to the new members. Please post your experience and some samples you want critiqued!

Now as you bring in new members, and the group is actually getting started, I have a concern I wish to share. With apologies in advance to Topher (please don't take this personally), I really feel that what we are still missing in this group is a landscape photographer with work experience and credentials.

I realize that this is not a real "class", and that we can all learn a lot from each other. We can co-read books, share Topher's lessons from his classes, etc., but there's still nothing like true experience to contribute to these discussions.

When I signed up, I was really hoping we would have bear_music here. I am still hoping that he might be willing to participate and co-mentor, if we asked. So would people mind terribly if I asked bear_music to join us? Are there other candidates with professional experience on the site?
07/15/2005 12:09:33 AM · #39
no cat, your fine. I'm not offended at all. The more I learn the more I realize there is so much I don't know. The reason why I said I would be the mentor here is I have spent a long while studing landscapes and I felt I have a lot to share. I understand that I'm no professional, I mean I'm a portiture major for crying out loud. I'm all for steping aside if there is someone more qualified or I'm up for taking care of maintenece stuff and letting somone who makes their living off of landsapes jump in here with me. I'm a team player and I'm not in this to say look at me or anything like that. I do like how this is going, but I agree with you if there is anyone who makes there living doing this we need them here.

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Welcome to the new members. Please post your experience and some samples you want critiqued!

Now as you bring in new members, and the group is actually getting started, I have a concern I wish to share. With apologies in advance to Topher (please don't take this personally), I really feel that what we are still missing in this group is a landscape photographer with work experience and credentials.

I realize that this is not a real "class", and that we can all learn a lot from each other. We can co-read books, share Topher's lessons from his classes, etc., but there's still nothing like true experience to contribute to these discussions.

When I signed up, I was really hoping we would have bear_music here. I am still hoping that he might be willing to participate and co-mentor, if we asked. So would people mind terribly if I asked bear_music to join us? Are there other candidates with professional experience on the site?
07/15/2005 12:29:20 AM · #40
Thanks, Topher, glad of that.

I just sent Robert a note--asked him to jump in here if he is willing! So we'll see.

Regards--Neil
07/15/2005 01:04:16 AM · #41
I don't make my living doing this but I used to; I was for 25 years an architectural and landscape photographer, and I taught photography for much of that time, in Yosemite and at UCSD. I'm retired now.

To be honest, when I originally volunteered I saw landscape/natural light as a single topic. I was caught off guard when they were split up.

Regardless, I don't want to step on any toes. Please discuss among the group and let me knwo what youw ant.

And thanx for asking...

Robt.
07/15/2005 03:48:25 AM · #42
Hi there, I've just been allowed into the group. I'm really thrilled to be a part. Bring it on!!!
07/15/2005 07:45:15 AM · #43
A late greetings from the missing member. Sorry it took me a join in. I attempted to jump into several groups but I was a little slow and missed getting a seat. I didn't realize I was a ember of this one until today. So I guess I'll tell a little about myself. I am an artist. I have been in love wth art since I was very young. I was head of the art department in highschool, Upon graduation I was afraid of the term starving artist so I figured I had better choose a better paying career. I decided on archetecture. I still get to draw and make lots of money. Well at least that was the idea. Years later I am a draftsman for a large corperation. Not much money involved but I still get to draw. I purchsed my first non point and click camera about 2 years ago. I descovered I can create my art in 1/1000 of second vs the three weeks it used to take. Now I'm hooked. I chose to join landscape because Thats about all there is way out here in the country. I could use any help there is to make my best subject look better. I look forward to working with and learning wth you all. Thanks Gi-Joe for having me on board. Here is a sample picture of my work from my portfolio. (sorry i'm at work HDD is not available).

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07/15/2005 09:57:52 AM · #44
Joe has asked me to join him in co-mentoring this group as well. My practical experience and his leadership/book learning are a good fit.

I'd like to suggest that everyone take a brief detour over to the Natural Light thread and study the lessons on "types of light", ideally do the two exercises. An awareness of light is absolutely critical to landscape photography, it's the rock on which we build. We'll be using those terms (strong light, raking light, backlight, flat light) frequently, so we all need to be on the same page ok?

Thanks for having me aboard.

Robt.
07/15/2005 10:21:50 AM · #45
Thanks Robert for jumping in to help. I've been lurking in several of the mentorship forums including Natural light so am aware of what you are presenting there.

We're all here to see the light. (pun intended)
07/15/2005 12:02:21 PM · #46
Originally posted by gi_joe05:

here are a couple that I allready had on my hard drive.

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I will give you cats a detailed write up on each of these includeing what I feel is their strong points and their weak points in the next couple of days


When this was first posted I was anxiously awaiting the writeup. It seems to have been forgotten.

Robert, maybe you could give a writeup on these as well as the two (Neil's and mine) that have been posted for group critique in this thread with respect to the type of light involved.

Thanks in advance.

Colette

PS. This is not to exclude anyone but just to get another take on the ones we've already started discussing as well as the mentor's original images posted.
07/15/2005 12:10:31 PM · #47
Poll for weekly themes/assignments....

I agree we need something but it should involve more than just a theme. The assignment should encompass a concept discussed in the thread. If it turns out that we are discussing more than one concept in a week then I think there should be more than one assignment.

I, for one, learn by doing.

Let's get out there and take some pictures.

<end of pep talk>
07/15/2005 01:10:10 PM · #48
perhaps the first assignment should be to attempt to take a photograph using each of the types of lighting bear music mentioned. We can then post and discuss the difficulties, and pros, and cons of each of the types.... Just a suggestion I have no Internet over the weekends so it's a great time for me to get some photography done....
07/15/2005 01:58:49 PM · #49
Assignment

Since the current challenge is "texture", let's try to shoot a landscape featuring raking light to bring out the exture of the scene for this weekend's assignment.

Several of my shots using raking light on the landscape are posted near the top of "natural light, but I'll repost them here:

Examples of Raking Light in Landscape Photography

1. Chatham Bars: this is quintessential strong, raking, early morning light, warm and powerful:

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2. Red River Beach, Dawn: This one was shot at dawn in February, see how much softer the light is? A more muted pallette:

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3. Dinghies, Marsh, Red River Beach: a snapshot testing my new 60mm f/2.8, shot just half an hour ago near sunset, a more subdued raking light:

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Robt.
07/15/2005 02:41:34 PM · #50
I'm so sorry, I forgot all about those write ups. I'll get on those tonight when I get home. again I'm so sorry

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by gi_joe05:

here are a couple that I allready had on my hard drive.

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//img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/gi_joe05/BarHarbordayone053.jpg

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I will give you cats a detailed write up on each of these includeing what I feel is their strong points and their weak points in the next couple of days


When this was first posted I was anxiously awaiting the writeup. It seems to have been forgotten.

Robert, maybe you could give a writeup on these as well as the two (Neil's and mine) that have been posted for group critique in this thread with respect to the type of light involved.

Thanks in advance.

Colette

PS. This is not to exclude anyone but just to get another take on the ones we've already started discussing as well as the mentor's original images posted.
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