DPC Mentorship - Landscape/Scenery

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

09/09/2005 02:26:20 PM · #2

I would love planned lessons with timed assignments and mentor and peer reviews. I would like the group to be closed. I like nshapiro's idea of timing the class.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/09/2005 02:24:42 PM · #3

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

09/09/2005 02:16:39 PM · #4

I would like to see them combined and resurrected, with lesson plans.

I don't think it should be open. I think it's critical that the mentor provide feedback on the assignments. What good would a class be if the teacher never gave you feedback on your work? Peer review is fine, but it's not as educational as teacher review, and it can even be misleading.

So I think you should keep it closed. But to give others a chance, you should time limit it, and then allow changeover to a new "class".

Just my personal opinion and my perspective from many years of classes (six years of graduate school, argh) and a little experience teaching too.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

09/09/2005 01:52:34 PM · #5

Just cross posting from natural light:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Open mentorship is fine with me however I would prefer a more structured approach as just a 'post - what do you think' approach will get out of hand very quickly.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED

09/09/2005 01:19:38 PM · #6

PEOPLE! Sound off please! Is there ANY point in ressurrecting both landscape and natural light mentorship threads and creating a new group combining them? Do we have enough interest?

And is there any serious objection to just making it "open mentorship"?

And would the group as a whole prefer a structured "lesson plan"?

Robt.

Ironworker

Nikon D70

08/02/2005 10:37:15 PM · #7

My attempt at Bear's assignment. Going through my files I find a have loads of sunset landscapes but not many other landscapes. I have resolved to change that.

08/02/2005 01:40:04 PM · #8

I'll see if I can't dig up the original when I get home. I'll post it tomorrow if I can find it.

08/02/2005 01:02:53 PM · #9

Originally posted by tristalisk:

I'll have to retry this one with the wide angle lens attachment. I should be passing by this spot again on friday I will give it another try. On another point of interest. Do you use neat image? If so would you or have you use it on a landscape?

Ihave it, and i used it all the time with my coolpix 5700. Haven't needed to use it with the 20D, so far. I used it on this image of yours. That's as much as I could dial in without making it look grotesque. If you really want to see what's possible here, send me and unedited original jpg ok? It looks like you've processed the heck out of the levels already and brought in a world of noise doing it.

e-mail is on profile,

R.

08/02/2005 12:57:50 PM · #10

08/02/2005 12:16:46 PM · #11

Originally posted by tristalisk:

I shot this one this weekend. It has several types of lighting and I figured this would also be good in the cropping exersize. I have always been afraid of cropping for any reason than removing flaws such as elbows and such. Bear do you think you could show me what could be done to improve this image. What would have made this a wow shot vs just another landscape?

As posted, this is a very difficult image to work with. The sky, especially, is heavily blotched and noisy, as is the image in general. I'm sure the original would be easier to work with. It's worth noting, also, that this doesn't appear to be an especially wide-andgle image, so cropping into it is adding a LOT of zoom to it. Also, the original composition is split bilatterally with the horizon smack in the middle, and no sensible crop I can find moves the horizon much in either direction.

That said, I decided to have a little fun with it, quick 'n dirty:

One hting you will notice that makes a big difference is that I played with hue/sat in the yellow and green channels on a selection of the landscape itself; by doing so I brought some visual definition into the near trees.

Robt.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED

08/02/2005 11:41:57 AM · #12

Message edited by author 2005-08-02 11:42:20.

Ironworker

Nikon D70

07/29/2005 10:55:19 PM · #13

Originally posted by bear_music:

Maybe everyone's out shooting?

R.

I have been. Not digital though. My neighbor gave me, that is right gave me, an old Minolta sr T-100 along with a 50mm, a 100-200 zoom, a 200, & a 500mm lenses. All manual action. He calls it my intro to SLR photography. So I've been shooting wildlife on the marsh, using my c4000 as an exposure meter. Here is a shot from my vacation @ GSMNP. Tried using the tree in the foreground for a reference in heights, as well as for setting up a panorama shot

rblanton

Canon EOS-10D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/29/2005 01:14:52 AM · #14

Large

cropped

Message edited by author 2005-07-29 01:17:15.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

07/28/2005 12:25:05 PM · #15

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I tend to want to zoom in and have been forcing myself lately to shoot wide. Now I have the worst of both worlds, too much in frame or too little.

It's a bitch, ain't it? :-)

R.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

07/28/2005 12:22:56 PM · #16

I tend to want to zoom in and have been forcing myself lately to shoot wide. Now I have the worst of both worlds, too much in frame or too little.

07/28/2005 12:10:28 PM · #17

From the original statement of assignment, to clear up any confusion:

Please note that I amNOT encouraging, as a general practice, the shooting of wide angle followed by extreme cropping in PP. Rather, I'm using this as an exercise in seeing after the fact, so that next time you go out into the landscape to shoot you will be conditioned to consider adding some telephoto details to your wide-angle masters.

The idea is that you look at some older pictures, ideally, and see opportunities for closer shots that you did not capitalize on. IMO, with most people, most of the time, there's a tendency to try to include "the whole view" in the image, and it's not always (or even usually) the best approach. Very often, "less is more".

Robt.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/28/2005 12:07:43 PM · #18

Aha gotcha the lesson was to help prevent cropping in the future. Silly me thanks cpanaioti.

Canadian_eh

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

07/28/2005 12:01:37 PM · #19

little bout myself... 14 going into grade nine, been interested in photography for a long time but just got a decent camera to express my self. i'm realitivly new to dp but this seems like a absolutley great idea to me

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

07/28/2005 11:55:24 AM · #20

Originally posted by tristalisk:

I can undestand the reasoning for this leason. I can see how this would allow you more versitility in your composition. I must howver ask. When you crop the image you loose DPI. If you were to crop 1/4 of the images I normaly take with my camera I would loose the ability to print them in 8X10 without it getting grainy. Is there a solution to this setback?

The lesson is just that. It's use is to help you see the different compositions within the landscape so the next time you go out you do the cropping in camera by zooming in.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/28/2005 11:52:00 AM · #21

Artan

Canon Digital IXUS v3

07/28/2005 06:00:51 AM · #22

original =

and crop =

both this and my previous post of the canal show a tighter perspective

for the houses in Bibury I now prefer the tighter crop... !!

Ian

Message edited by author 2005-07-28 06:02:06.

Artan

Canon Digital IXUS v3

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/28/2005 05:51:35 AM · #23

Original for Moods Challenge

tighter crop

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/28/2005 01:13:20 AM · #24

Originally posted by bear_music:

As far as cpanioti's assignment 3 shots go, I'd like to see people commenting on these as they show up. Especially with regard to whether the "zoom" version is a step in the right or the wrong direction. In some images it will be, in others it will not. There's no right or wrong here, in the sense that the assignment was not to "improve" the picture, per se, but to make a sort of lateral slide on it.

R.

Well, as you say there's no right nor wrong--she was just following orders. ;)

But if I were to critique the cropped version, I'd have to say that the the reflection and clouds were the keys to this beautiful landscape, and there's at least one nice crop that would preserve that.