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04/11/2002 09:03:47 PM · #26 |
| I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not. |
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04/11/2002 09:17:57 PM · #27 |
I have created a spreadsheet that I am going to try to use in my voting for the next challenge. This spreadsheet allows me to judge on multiple criteria and then come up with a score between 1 and 10. I have put the spreadsheet HEREif anyone would like to look at it....
* This is the firs time i have tried a link in a forum post... if it doesn work, go to:
//briefcase.yahoo.com/six_string_nc and open the DPCHALLENGE folder to get the spreadsheet...
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04/12/2002 04:57:37 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not.
I happen to think there is tons of originality on this site. Too bad you have been so disapointed in everyone's efforts. As for your scoring methods, that's your choice.
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04/12/2002 05:17:56 AM · #29 |
This particular voter is putting weight on the subject matter of the photograph moreso than the actual quality of the photo. I think there are probably quite a few more who vote this way as well. I caught myself doing this and I'm trying to correct it with my new voting method. I am trying to create my vote based on several individual elements of each photograph. I don't want to score a photograph based simply on it's subject matter. I do think that subject matter makes a difference, but I'm not basing my votes solely on this.
This voter doesn't like american flags or crosses. He admits to scoring low when he sees this regardless of the overall quality of the photo. I didn't like the pubic hair and I voted low on it for the same reason and I really shouldn't have. I didn't give that photo any consideration for originality or composition. I was blinded to those things because of the subject of the photo. I hope to fix this issue on my next vote. I don't have enough time to re-vote all the photos in the current challenge with my new method.
Originally posted by shortredneck:
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
[i]I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not.
I happen to think there is tons of originality on this site. Too bad you have been so disapointed in everyone's efforts. As for your scoring methods, that's your choice.
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04/12/2002 05:33:48 AM · #30 |
I tend to agree with your voting method. I too was not too crazy about the pubic hair photo. However, after going back and taking a look at the photo I decided to raise my vote a couple of points because it was original and fit in with the theme of the challenge. I also thought that nudes would be an unoriginal concept for the challenge but found myself giving higher scores to them due to how well the photos were portrayed. I am trying to open up to other's ideas. Only then can I begin to grow and develop any photographic abilities I may have. Granted, my abilities are quite limited at this point but we all have to start somewhere.
* This message has been edited by the author on 4/12/2002 5:34:14 AM.
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04/12/2002 12:34:16 PM · #31 |
First, I think there is quite a bit of originality on the site.
But second, I don't think originality is all it's cracked up to be. It's hard to imagine people so closed minded that they won't even give a picture a chance simply because they think it's unoriginal.
Granted, when someone chooses a trite subject, they're not going to get a high vote from me unless they pull it off really well. I do actually look at the photo and think about it, though, rather than mindlessly giving a 1 or 2.
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not.
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04/12/2002 02:35:06 PM · #32 |
I agree that this site isn't entirely about originality. It's about taking good pictures. An original subject is... nice... but is it necessary for a good photo? No. If someone takes a spectacular picture of a cross or a flag, I'll rate it accordingly. It's just so much harder to do that since flags and crosses are major icons in our visual language and we've all seen a million of them.
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04/12/2002 03:31:27 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not.
The nature of the challenge is to suggest the subject matter so it is reasonably conceivable that many will submit 'the same boring ass subject matter' because they have not got your originality,vision, love of Country, respect for religous views.....
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04/12/2002 03:38:46 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
I agree that this site isn't entirely about originality. It's about taking good pictures. An original subject is... nice... but is it necessary for a good photo? No.
Mousie, you bring up a very good point and one that ALL of us need to remember...and that is there are many different levels of photographers on this site. Some are just beginning to learn and there are others that have obviously been photographing subjects for many years.
A beginner is not going to see things the same way that a more experienced photographer will. So in my mind a beginner may take more of the so called "unoriginal" shots. Maybe more of the flags, flowers or crosses. We can't continually count those down just because we have seen them a lot.
Sometimes it is easier to learn on a much used subject. I love taking pictures of flowers, because I like looking at pictures of flowers. I compare my photos to those of others and see how I can make mine look better. A beginner needs to learn the composition and lighting aspects of photography before they can start to learn the "creative" aspects. To me it is a LOT easier to learn with a subject that is more well known, (some may call that "unoriginal"), but I would hope that everyone would judge the photo on it's technical merits not just the subject matter.
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04/12/2002 05:00:05 PM · #35 |
| Somebody took a picture of a pubic hair? how did I miss that? |
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04/12/2002 05:13:16 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
Somebody took a picture of a pubic hair? how did I miss that?
Well, I just wonder who could have submitted that!!!
it certainly is original with a 'finger up' to the 'norm'
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04/12/2002 07:01:59 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
Somebody took a picture of a pubic hair? how did I miss that?
cuz it was a pretty sucky pic ;-)
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04/12/2002 07:05:32 PM · #38 |
so wait, let me get this straight: is a beginner more likely to be better at the technical aspects of photography, or at choosing an original subject?
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04/12/2002 07:21:34 PM · #39 |
are you seeing a doctor about that funk?
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04/12/2002 08:35:36 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
Somebody took a picture of a pubic hair? how did I miss that?
Are you looking at the pictures at all? The title even mentions the word "pubic". Oops, the word was Pubert. But it still should be very obvious to anyone voting.
* This message has been edited by the author on 4/12/2002 8:39:23 PM.
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04/12/2002 10:14:47 PM · #41 |
I suggest we have a 'Crosses and Flags' competition to mitigate the bias induced by anarchos's habitual voting patterns. :)
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04/12/2002 10:38:29 PM · #42 |
How about flags with crosses on them? Or crosses and flags pictured together? I wonder if that would qualify for a -1 and -2?
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04/12/2002 11:31:13 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
I automatically give any picture with an american flag a 1 because their is way to many of them, than a picture of a cross that usually gets a score around 2. I find I give alot of low scores due merely to the fact many pictures I've seen on here have the same boring ass subject matter. Originality? I think not.
What would I get for a picture of a Scottish Flag ? It has a large white cross on it...
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04/13/2002 02:30:00 AM · #44 |
| he he! you guys crack me up! |
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04/13/2002 08:34:59 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by shortredneck:
How about flags with crosses on them? Or crosses and flags pictured together? I wonder if that would qualify for a -1 and -2?
d0nt for get the swiss flag and it's opposite twin, the Red Cross!!!!!
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04/13/2002 10:31:01 AM · #46 |
| I handle my voting the way Tim mentioned. But from reading this thread I get the idea that some people are voting on a "challenge" and others are judging a contest. |
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04/13/2002 11:04:58 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Reign:
I handle my voting the way Tim mentioned. But from reading this thread I get the idea that some people are voting on a "challenge" and others are judging a contest.
This is a good point... I was guilty of judging a contest on my vote but I have that problem worked out now... I'm judging the challenge and how well or poorly it was met... My vote average should go up now.. |
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04/13/2002 02:49:29 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Reign:
I handle my voting the way Tim mentioned. But from reading this thread I get the idea that some people are voting on a "challenge" and others are judging a contest.
I'm doing both... |
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04/13/2002 03:36:07 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
are you seeing a doctor about that funk?
Yes. Not that funk, though; a different one.
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04/29/2002 01:22:51 AM · #50 |
I try and judge each photo on its own merits ... my first job is to see how well it met the challenge. Then I look at the quality of the photo. I try and keep in mind that most people on here are not using a Canon D30(including myself). I consider an average photo, that meets the qualifications of the challenge, to get a 5-6 vote.
I normally only have one 10 vote and that is the one I feel was of the highest quality and meets the challenge in the most unique way. Conversely, I rarely have given a 1 vote. Things have to be pretty bad for me to give a 1. The majority of my votes tend to be above 5.
I try and offer suggestions, when I can, and help someone with the limited knowledge I have. I don't really look at things as a photo contest until after the challenge has been met. But by meeting the challenge, you are already at a vote of 5. |
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