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09/08/2006 05:57:15 PM · #51
To me, I don't know if one is better or worse. I did enjoy working in a darkroom some years ago, and I miss that experience at a visceral and even creative level, but the chemicals can't be good environmentally, and it is a lot of water usage.

I've met snobs on the digital side of the argument too. Not sure there needs to be an argument though. Live and let live, create and let create.
09/08/2006 06:04:43 PM · #52
Originally posted by Nitesead:

... but the chemicals can't be good environmentally, and it is a lot of water usage.

Semiconductor and plastics manufacturing and disposal are not eco-friendly either ... as with everything there's a trade-off.

The main difference is in the amount of time and physical manipulation of light needed in post-processing, and the ability to edit non-destructively, which encourages experimentation.

As has been noted here, setting up and taking a decent shot can take about the same time/skills in either format. But a news photo I shoot in California right now can be on the NY Times Photo Editor's desk(top) in minutes -- not stuck in the processor ...
09/08/2006 06:06:22 PM · #53
I've had long conversations with a (self confessed) 'film ludite' and how film is sooo much better than digital.

Earlier this year I had the pleasure of spending a week in Scotland with him and his 35mm and MF cams (plus P&S).

Cutting a very long story shortPhil took more shots with his MF/35mm than I did with my cams (film peeps suggest 'we' just blast shots')IMHO most of my shots uploaded to the web were better than his )you had to view his on a light box to get the feel of the shot) and to date we have not compared prints. I am a firm believer that its the fotog not the format that makes a great picture and as for the 'this was taken with film' comment I'm sorry but I just don't see how someone can tell the difference between a shot taken on film and the same shot from digital (I'm also happy to place money on the fact you can't tell the difference).
09/08/2006 06:09:29 PM · #54
This whole film vs digital vs film is pure BS.
Just get the shot!
I don't care how you do it, just create a great photograph. Film, glassplate negatives, scanning back, CMOS sensor, who cares? It's the stuff you record that counts. For all I care you take a couple of tubes of paint and a canvas and paint the scene.

09/08/2006 06:46:19 PM · #55
Originally posted by Azrifel:

Film, glassplate negatives, scanning back, CMOS sensor ...
Roman Photography ... : )
09/08/2006 06:59:01 PM · #56
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Film, glassplate negatives, scanning back, CMOS sensor ...
Roman Photography ... : )


Interesting. Does the amount of cells used for the image crop equal resolution? Like 300 cells per inch?
09/08/2006 07:00:56 PM · #57
i like shooting film i like shooting digital
will i ever shoot more film than digital -no-
i really like the texture that film gives
but i like everything about digital better ;)
09/08/2006 07:16:05 PM · #58
I loved shooting film, now I love love love my digital camera.

I love being in the darkroom and playing with the enlargers (hate the chemicals) and I love my didgital darkroom. Anyone out there know a film snob that would like to buy my film camera? It's a Pro grade slr! my digital camera? NFS!

09/08/2006 08:56:42 PM · #59
Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Film, glassplate negatives, scanning back, CMOS sensor ...
Roman Photography ... : )


Interesting. Does the amount of cells used for the image crop equal resolution? Like 300 cells per inch?

According to the table at this site, if you figure the leaf is somewhat comparable to the onion skin, that would probably be only about 150 Pic-cells per inch ...
09/08/2006 11:47:08 PM · #60
Film is nice because of the lack of sensor dust, but since I don't have the equipment or know how to develop the film, I just have labs do it. You're definitely more careful shooting with film not to waste frames, and it's cool to try the different types of film instead of processing in photoshop different ways.

Anyone want to sell me their B&W darkroom stuff for 300 bucks or less? :p
09/08/2006 11:53:11 PM · #61
You dont get that lovely organic grain with digital black and white photography - the kodak tri X 400 type grain. But who's to say "they" dont develop a tri X filter?
09/09/2006 12:28:10 AM · #62
Film still has the advantage when it comes to print sizes but film is catching up. I like film for its nostalgic/historic meaning to me. I've been using film point and shoots and disposables since I was a little guy and still do now and then. I use digital because it allows me to shoot far more photos at a lower cost in the long run, because I like technology, and because of the creativity that is possible with some software, a computer and a camera. With film I just shot and printed.

And I do think however that black and white is also best done with film-particularly with a leica m. :)
09/09/2006 10:59:09 AM · #63
There are definitely some film snobs out there. I think it's their lack of understanding of digital technology and their reluctance to accept new technology. To them, I think 'digital' indicates that the image was significantly altered from it's 'natural' state and therefore is a false representation of 'reality'.

I try hard to keep my editing to a minimum and only bring out the best in an already satisfactory image. I, myself, don't do much masking, cut and paste, dodge and burn, etc.

I haven't had many people ask me if they are digital or not. I'm not sure I'd go to great lengths to justify my digital work because the people that are going to challenge you are the ones that you won't convince anyway. So it's probably just a waste of energy to try (too hard) and convert them. If they don't like your work because it's digital, it's their loss, not yours. I'll take the next guy's money instead.
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