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06/22/2005 01:24:52 PM · #51 |
I think we have a different definition of "barely"; I can SEE the faces, but they are quite dark and subdued. More so than I think works. But they are definitely there. And yes, I can see change at square 2 on the test, just rechecked it :-)
Robt.
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06/22/2005 01:28:00 PM · #52 |
lol i cant see the square until level 14!!!
just upgraded to a iiyama pro454 and am finding the image a little dark in places...
any suggestions? brightness 100% and contrast 80% |
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06/22/2005 01:30:33 PM · #53 |
Couldn't see it. Calibration or not, I keep my monitor brightness turned down more than usual because I sit in front of the thing for like 14 hours a day and am still waiting for large LCD prices to drop to $100. :(
I didn't vote on this entry, but if I had, it would've gotten a 5 without seeing the face, 8 or 9 with the face more visible.
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06/22/2005 01:32:19 PM · #54 |
| i have new monitor and video card, but when I saw this picture in the challenge, it was a little too dark. The face was visible, but the eye seemed to be more visible; anyone with an older monitor and video card might have had a problem seeing it..I like it better with the face visible, it has more impact, rather than just the knife having the focus. |
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06/22/2005 01:34:57 PM · #55 |
On my laptop I can see it (can see 3 on the test) but the darkness is really dependent on my viewing angle. Moving the screen back and forth has different results - some where the face is non-existant, some where it is too bright.
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06/22/2005 01:40:52 PM · #56 |
Well - I think you're right regarding the definition. I just reread your post of "barely" being able to see the face. At least you could see it enough to recognize it. Yes, it's pretty darn dark - but it is distinquishable for monitors set correctly. Many that have posted here have not been able to see a face at all. Only the knife blade or the speck (gleam in eye), etc...
The point I've been trying to make is that the variance in how DPCers have monitors set is quite wide - so much that it can impact voting. Being able to "see" the face in this threads initiating photo has been an interesting study of the disparity in monitor settings.
Is there a solution? Do we have some test prior to being able to vote? And no, I don't know how that could best be implemented. Or, do we, when submitting to a challenge, keep this disparity in mind and shoot for the middle/safe ground and submit an image that won't lose details on many voters monitors?
Originally posted by bear_music:
I think we have a different definition of "barely"; I can SEE the faces, but they are quite dark and subdued. More so than I think works. But they are definitely there. And yes, I can see change at square 2 on the test, just rechecked it :-)
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06/22/2005 01:41:21 PM · #57 |
I can see the face, it is really quite a surreal shot, cos the face gradually beomes clearer the longer you look, but never becomes fully clear. I like the shot very much.
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06/22/2005 01:53:51 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The point I've been trying to make is that the variance in how DPCers have monitors set is quite wide - so much that it can impact voting. Being able to "see" the face in this threads initiating photo has been an interesting study of the disparity in monitor settings.
Is there a solution? Do we have some test prior to being able to vote? And no, I don't know how that could best be implemented. Or, do we, when submitting to a challenge, keep this disparity in mind and shoot for the middle/safe ground and submit an image that won't lose details on many voters monitors? |
That's what I've been doing: posting up images that are lighter than I want them to be on my monitor, at least in the shadow areas, and at least with images where dark-area information is crucial.
Robt.
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06/22/2005 02:20:02 PM · #59 |
I coudln't see it for a while, but I kept staring, and moved around a bit, and finally saw it. Just a touch more lightness there on the face would have helped quite a bit I think.
I'm at the office with natural light only, and a dell LCD
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06/22/2005 03:38:41 PM · #60 |
OK, I am really bothered by this!
I just bought this monitor because my last one wasn't able to see the dark areas in these photos. I thought everything was just fine now, until this thread. I opened up the picture of the knife and using my default program (PSP9), I see only a knife blade and a small white spot to the right.
If I open the picture using Photoshop, i can clearly see the entire face on the same monitor. that tells me it's not a monitor issue for me at all. But I don't know how to change the default file settings to open like Photoshop does.
Any of you who can not see the face should try viewing with a different program and see if it changes at all.
But why can't I see the face on DPC? Is it possible my photoshop is calibrated to correct my monitor, but my monitor is not calibrated correctly? |
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06/22/2005 03:51:12 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
OK, I am really bothered by this!
I just bought this monitor because my last one wasn't able to see the dark areas in these photos. I thought everything was just fine now, until this thread. I opened up the picture of the knife and using my default program (PSP9), I see only a knife blade and a small white spot to the right.
If I open the picture using Photoshop, i can clearly see the entire face on the same monitor. that tells me it's not a monitor issue for me at all. But I don't know how to change the default file settings to open like Photoshop does.
Any of you who can not see the face should try viewing with a different program and see if it changes at all.
But why can't I see the face on DPC? Is it possible my photoshop is calibrated to correct my monitor, but my monitor is not calibrated correctly? |
I dont think so. I believe its your eyes playing tricks on you. for examle, photoshop usually places your picture on a bright white background, DPC however places the image on a grey background. this can really make a huge difference when viewing an image.
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I am using a samsung flat panel and I can see the face fine. It is a little dark though. |
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06/22/2005 03:54:23 PM · #62 |
| just copied and pasted into word, image seems to appear slightly brighter here because of white background. |
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06/22/2005 03:56:10 PM · #63 |
| All I see is the knife from my work computer. I'll try again from home. |
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06/22/2005 04:05:23 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Hardcore Poser:
Originally posted by Gringo:
OK, I am really bothered by this!
I just bought this monitor because my last one wasn't able to see the dark areas in these photos. I thought everything was just fine now, until this thread. I opened up the picture of the knife and using my default program (PSP9), I see only a knife blade and a small white spot to the right.
If I open the picture using Photoshop, i can clearly see the entire face on the same monitor. that tells me it's not a monitor issue for me at all. But I don't know how to change the default file settings to open like Photoshop does.
Any of you who can not see the face should try viewing with a different program and see if it changes at all.
But why can't I see the face on DPC? Is it possible my photoshop is calibrated to correct my monitor, but my monitor is not calibrated correctly? |
I dont think so. I believe its your eyes playing tricks on you. for examle, photoshop usually places your picture on a bright white background, DPC however places the image on a grey background. this can really make a huge difference when viewing an image.
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I am using a samsung flat panel and I can see the face fine. It is a little dark though. |
Well, I see the face in the picture fine at work on a cheap-O monitor non calibrated. I see the face fine at home with Photoshop, But I can't see the same picture with PSP. I even changed the background to white, gray and black..... no difference at all. I can not see the face when viewing from DPC. the same picture is fine viewing from Photoshop. |
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06/22/2005 04:16:51 PM · #65 |
I don't know.... I think I'm losing it.... I'm getting old.
My body is taking over my mind. (And that's not a pretty picture).
I have all three open at the same time. PSP, DPC and Photoshop.
Photoshop is still the best of the three. I can make out the face from the PSP window when I see them all side by side, but it's not easy. If I turn all the lights out in the room it's better, but not great.
I think I'll have my eyes checked.... there's not much they can do for my mind. But Photoshop still looks best. |
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06/22/2005 04:37:32 PM · #66 |
Robert - That's a good suggestion. It's funny I had to go 55 challenges before figuring it out. Sure would be nice if the playing field was level with monitors, but until then I'll start adjusting my challenge entries to be a tad lighter as well.
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The point I've been trying to make is that the variance in how DPCers have monitors set is quite wide - so much that it can impact voting. Being able to "see" the face in this threads initiating photo has been an interesting study of the disparity in monitor settings.
Is there a solution? Do we have some test prior to being able to vote? And no, I don't know how that could best be implemented. Or, do we, when submitting to a challenge, keep this disparity in mind and shoot for the middle/safe ground and submit an image that won't lose details on many voters monitors? |
That's what I've been doing: posting up images that are lighter than I want them to be on my monitor, at least in the shadow areas, and at least with images where dark-area information is crucial.
Robt. |
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06/22/2005 06:43:55 PM · #67 |
| Thanks to all participants in this forum thread for your comments & advice. I admit I was trying for a stealthy impact; you first see an apparent picture of a knife, but then, "Oh, wait ... there's more, lurking in the darkness!" Hence the reference to Conrad in the title. Ah well, it worked for me. Like glad2badad, I'll take bear's advice & lighten up a bit for the future. |
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06/22/2005 06:52:56 PM · #68 |
Your monitor doesn't seem to be correctly calibrated. Follow this link and calibrate your system so you don't run into these problems in the future.
//www.easyrgb.com/calibrate.php |
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06/22/2005 09:21:17 PM · #69 |
Here's some other helpful links as well:
This thread is helpful: Monitor Calibration...Great Tools
I like this test the best.
Originally posted by rikki11:
Your monitor doesn't seem to be correctly calibrated. Follow this link and calibrate your system so you don't run into these problems in the future.
//www.easyrgb.com/calibrate.php |
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06/22/2005 10:02:47 PM · #70 |
| I can't see it in the thumbnail but can see it in the full size version. |
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06/22/2005 10:20:09 PM · #71 |
| I see this fine.........great shot/. |
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06/22/2005 10:33:10 PM · #72 |
| my monitor can't see it at all (re: the thread title), but I can. It's odd, I was looking at it, then the face kinda jumps out at ya. That was scary. |
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06/22/2005 10:43:21 PM · #73 |
Holy Shit!!! Once I adjusted the level, I Face shows up. Didn't realize my screen was so dark. Great Picture
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06/22/2005 10:47:02 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by ubique:
My Darkness entry, a mediocre effort which was rightly spanked in the voting, attracted several comments from people who apparently couldn't see the subject. I don't mean they didn't "get" it, I mean it was not visible to them. Which makes me suspect that my monitor, or theirs, may be a bit out of whack. I'd appreciate anyone interested taking a look & posting a reply to say if you can see it or not (and also any relevant advice about monitors). For the record, the subject was not the knife, it was the partial face including an eye with a small catchlight, in the background. Do you see the face, or just the knife? Thanks.
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I can see the face nicely with the light in the eye. Very forboding entry. |
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06/23/2005 04:18:32 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by rikki11:
Your monitor doesn't seem to be correctly calibrated. Follow this link and calibrate your system so you don't run into these problems in the future.
//www.easyrgb.com/calibrate.php |
Yeah, you're right. Damn thing shows too much detail, and I just can't stop it no matter what I try. |
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