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06/16/2005 05:18:16 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Ok I really didn't want this to evolve into a discussion on commenting, religion or my inability to cope with one comment - I only wanted to know if I could contact the voter during voting ( please see my opening message.)
I think that the reason I got so het up about it was that it was the only comment(and still is after 134 people have voted) and it told me nothing except the voter was ignorant of what they were commenting on.Also I was disappointed (childish I know!)and after a bad day at work the challenge was something I was looking forward to taking part in.
So yes Bobster it is more about me than the voter in some ways but I don't think my being annoyed by a comment is going to put people off commenting. If anything I want more people to comment but constructively. I try to vote and comment as much as possible although I am nervous of saying something stupid as I am not very knowledgable or experienced ( in photography!) but the person who commented is a good photographerIMO and could have helped so much by telling me what was wrong with my pic.
Anyway I have calmed down thanks to you all and I will smile and get ion with my life - and take some bloody good pics in the future!!!!!
Pauline |
Ray Please read the above previous post which may indicate the reasons for being riled by this comment.
Also I have not labelled the author of this post anything and others have also not labelled this author in particular, anything bad - they have only remarked on similar comments that have annoyed /upset them. And this was to make me feel better which they achieved.:)
After the vote is over I will post the pic and perhaps you will see why too. Or not, of course!
Caltrop -What is the title of your shot? I would like to see what I rated it and then I could tell you why I rated it what I did rate it. I don't feel like going through all 300 shots to find your name. But I could scan for the title of you photo.
Not while the vote is still on but thanks for the offer!:)
Pauline
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06/16/2005 06:25:51 PM · #52 |
I do not think a comment should be reacted on openly, you can always send a message. Then that is that. It is true in real life to, if you want to discuss something with someone, it is better one-on-one away from others.
Plus, after everything is said and done, that persons comment can be viewed by all anyway.
Plus I always look at average score given vs received of a commentor I may disagree with. If given is higher then received or about equal, I rethink my entry. If given is lower then received, I ignore the comment.
excuse the spelling mistakes. |
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06/16/2005 06:32:11 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by mpemberton:
I do not think a comment should be reacted on openly, you can always send a message. Then that is that. It is true in real life to, if you want to discuss something with someone, it is better one-on-one away from others.
Plus, after everything is said and done, that persons comment can be viewed by all anyway.
Plus I always look at average score given vs received of a commentor I may disagree with. If given is higher then received or about equal, I rethink my entry. If given is lower then received, I ignore the comment.
excuse the spelling mistakes. |
Michael the last thing I would worry about is spelling mistakes! Thanks for your input.
I like the idea of judging the person commenting by their own entry. Very neat!
My original point was should I respond or not so I didn't start this by discussing the comment and in hindsight perhaps I shouldn't have posted what was said.
My apologies to the person who made the comment. It isn't fair to do this and I will not do it again.
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06/16/2005 07:14:01 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by tsheets:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
The comment read " religion..."
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Yes it is just one comment although I have a sneaking suspicion that this is not the only person who is marking down due to their beliefs.
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Pauline |
I have only been around DPC for a couple of months, but have had quite a few times that a photo with a political or religous message have rubbed me the wrong way. Most of the time, I try to overlook my personal feelings towards the subject, and vote based on the quality of the photo. In the few cases where I didn't feel I could remain objective, I skipped voting on that entry. Some may not think it's fair that I voted on all but a few entries, but I think it's better than giving a possibly undeserved low score. |
Second: Those viewing your photographs have biases and personal backgrounds and tastes. I don't understand the statement that comes up periodically that you should vote on the photographic merit of the shot and not let your personal taste get in the way. What does that mean? How can I possibly do justive voting if I'm not allowed to bring my personal biases into the mix? Let's say for example that I have an aversion to (Yes I'm using the turd example again) turds. Let's say you took the most technically perfect shot of a turd with exceptional lighting and spot on focus. You used several techniques to get the tonality of the turd perfect right down to the piece of corn. I'm supposed to vote highly on this turd photo even though I'm repulsed? I don't think so. I'm supposed to skip over this shot of a turd when voting? Why? |
I understand your point, that there is always going to be some bias based on our own tastes and experiences. That's unavoidable. But, if I look at a subject, and based on a purely emotional initial reaction, I want to vote it a 1. But, I look at shot and *know* that just because I don't agree with the subject/message, it deserves much better than that (it has just the right ratio and arrangement of corn and nuts). I don't feel that it's right to give it a 1, but I can't bring myself to give it an 8 either. So, I have chosen to skip it (only on a couple of occasions).
I never said that you or anyone else should do the same as I have chosen to do. You can vote the turd a 1 or a 10 (if the corn looks really juicy) if you wish. Your choice. :-)
Originally posted by TooCool:
Do you plunk down 12 dollars to go to a movie you don't want to see? Why not? Did you not vote with your money by NOT going to see the movie? Or did you say to yourself, it wouldn't be fair of me to not give money to this movie's production staff so I won't go and see ANY movie... You see we vote every day based on or biases and personal tastes. Why is it supposed to be different here?
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That's a little different situation. By not voting, I have not had an effect on the outcome (positive or negative). By not spending money on a movie, I have had an effect on the overall profit/loss of that production (as insignificant as that may be).
So, to your thinking, I should vote what I want, based on my beliefs, experiences, biases, etc.... If I don't like the subject, just vote a 1 and leave a comment along the lines of "nothing wrong with this photo, I just don't agree with the subject matter - 1"?
Didn't mean to offend anyone with any of the above. Just debating. :-)
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06/16/2005 07:20:12 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by tsheets:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by tsheets:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
The comment read " religion..."
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Yes it is just one comment although I have a sneaking suspicion that this is not the only person who is marking down due to their beliefs.
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Pauline |
I have only been around DPC for a couple of months, but have had quite a few times that a photo with a political or religous message have rubbed me the wrong way. Most of the time, I try to overlook my personal feelings towards the subject, and vote based on the quality of the photo. In the few cases where I didn't feel I could remain objective, I skipped voting on that entry. Some may not think it's fair that I voted on all but a few entries, but I think it's better than giving a possibly undeserved low score. |
Second: Those viewing your photographs have biases and personal backgrounds and tastes. I don't understand the statement that comes up periodically that you should vote on the photographic merit of the shot and not let your personal taste get in the way. What does that mean? How can I possibly do justive voting if I'm not allowed to bring my personal biases into the mix? Let's say for example that I have an aversion to (Yes I'm using the turd example again) turds. Let's say you took the most technically perfect shot of a turd with exceptional lighting and spot on focus. You used several techniques to get the tonality of the turd perfect right down to the piece of corn. I'm supposed to vote highly on this turd photo even though I'm repulsed? I don't think so. I'm supposed to skip over this shot of a turd when voting? Why? |
I understand your point, that there is always going to be some bias based on our own tastes and experiences. That's unavoidable. But, if I look at a subject, and based on a purely emotional initial reaction, I want to vote it a 1. But, I look at shot and *know* that just because I don't agree with the subject/message, it deserves much better than that (it has just the right ratio and arrangement of corn and nuts). I don't feel that it's right to give it a 1, but I can't bring myself to give it an 8 either. So, I have chosen to skip it (only on a couple of occasions).
I never said that you or anyone else should do the same as I have chosen to do. You can vote the turd a 1 or a 10 (if the corn looks really juicy) if you wish. Your choice. :-)
Originally posted by TooCool:
Do you plunk down 12 dollars to go to a movie you don't want to see? Why not? Did you not vote with your money by NOT going to see the movie? Or did you say to yourself, it wouldn't be fair of me to not give money to this movie's production staff so I won't go and see ANY movie... You see we vote every day based on or biases and personal tastes. Why is it supposed to be different here?
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That's a little different situation. By not voting, I have not had an effect on the outcome (positive or negative). By not spending money on a movie, I have had an effect on the overall profit/loss of that production (as insignificant as that may be).
So, to your thinking, I should vote what I want, based on my beliefs, experiences, biases, etc.... If I don't like the subject, just vote a 1 and leave a comment along the lines of "nothing wrong with this photo, I just don't agree with the subject matter - 1"?
Didn't mean to offend anyone with any of the above. Just debating. :-)
Tim |
I think if it provokes one to comment a 1 is a comment on one self not on the photo. |
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06/16/2005 07:21:37 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by tsheets:
So, to your thinking, I should vote what I want, based on my beliefs, experiences, biases, etc.... If I don't like the subject, just vote a 1 and leave a comment along the lines of "nothing wrong with this photo, I just don't agree with the subject matter - 1"? |
Just thinking about this: giving a comment and telling what you voted. I never say what I voted in the comment because I feel that is irrelevant to the comment. I'm interested in constructive comments (or in fact *any* comment) on my entries, but I can't quite see why I should need to know what the person voted? I guess a few people need to explain 'why I gave it a 4', but I would prefer a comment along the line of 'I liked this about you picture, but not that'. Am I alone in this? |
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06/16/2005 07:23:27 PM · #57 |
riponlady - i hope it wasnt anything i said!!
if it was feel free to have at me in PM.
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06/16/2005 07:24:35 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by moodville:
If you shoot for a score then shoot what will appease the masses. If you are shooting for yourself and your own self expression then shoot what you want and let the masses decide if they like it or not.
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Thanks so much for this. I am having the same problem as Pauline (hi Pauline!) You reminded me that I really LIKE my entry. It's a good photo and I feel better now LOL |
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06/16/2005 08:47:03 PM · #59 |
Just for everyone's information. I got a stupid comment today. I normally don't reply but this idiot has never even participated in a challenge, so I had to say something and I did. I feel better :)
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06/16/2005 09:02:31 PM · #60 |
when you put anything out to the public, absolutely anything, you are at risk of some dumbass giving you their idiotic input, if you waste time worrying about even one of their statements, you just wasted your own time. In most situations there's nothing better than to ignore it and get on with life, no matter how rediculously idiotic the person you are dealing with is.
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06/16/2005 10:12:36 PM · #61 |
Okay the comment was mine - and i would just like to say since i am being summed up as a bigot for it (in little detail, because detail will give away the photo) that Pauline totally misinterpreted what i had meant. Which i entirely blame myself because i used terrible wording to express myself.
I actually share the same religious foundation as Pauline and it was not intended to be offensive at all. I will reword it better (as i had originally intened to) when i get to it on my second round. My comment was not meant to be cruel or a religious attack, but because of my suck ability with words, it came out that way. It was meant to be a please explain.
Ah the joys of an impersonal medium like the internet. When the typed word is all we have to go on, it is easy to misunderstand the meaning of others.
That said, i wish Pauline HAD PM'd me instead of posting my comment to the boards, and we both would have been saved some heartache. Everyone feel free to PM me during the challenge if my comment has got you wondering, i prefer it that way.
I have taken the discussion in more details to PM, but let me publicly say i apologise for the confusion and hurt caused by my comment (and inability to properly express myself).
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06/16/2005 10:21:21 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
Okay the comment was mine - and i would just like to say since i am being summed up as a bigot for it (in little detail, because detail will give away the photo) that Pauline totally misinterpreted what i had meant. Which i entirely blame myself because i used terrible wording to express myself.
I actually share the same religious foundation as Pauline and it was not intended to be offensive at all. I will reword it better (as i had originally intened to) when i get to it on my second round. My comment was not meant to be cruel or a religious attack, but because of my suck ability with words, it came out that way. It was meant to be a please explain.
Ah the joys of an impersonal medium like the internet. When the typed word is all we have to go on, it is easy to misunderstand the meaning of others.
That said, i wish Pauline HAD PM'd me instead of posting my comment to the boards, and we both would have been saved some heartache. Everyone feel free to PM me during the challenge if my comment has got you wondering, i prefer it that way.
I have taken the discussion in more details to PM, but let me publicly say i apologise for the confusion and hurt caused by my comment (and inability to properly express myself). |
geez, she could have just PM'd you??? here I thought that you left a hidden comment and she couldn't reply.....what a waste. (and kudos to you for speaking up!!!)
Message edited by author 2005-06-16 22:22:11. |
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06/16/2005 10:27:22 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by mrsmaxsmart:
Just for everyone's information. I got a stupid comment today. I normally don't reply but this idiot has never even participated in a challenge, so I had to say something and I did. I feel better :) |
I've noticed that you've complained more than once about your comments. |
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06/16/2005 10:29:44 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by mrsmaxsmart:
Just for everyone's information. I got a stupid comment today. I normally don't reply but this idiot has never even participated in a challenge, so I had to say something and I did. I feel better :) |
I've noticed that you've complained more than once about your comments. |
It's the same comment two different threads. Is that illegal?
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06/16/2005 10:32:14 PM · #65 |
OK, I say we just contact Jerry Springer and set up one of his classic ambush programs. Get lot's of DPCers together and let us all duke it out!
That, or maybe a new round of Survivor. The Troll tribe vs. the ....
Whatever. |
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06/16/2005 10:36:26 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by mpemberton:
I do not think a comment should be reacted on openly, you can always send a message. Then that is that. It is true in real life to, if you want to discuss something with someone, it is better one-on-one away from others.
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I agree. It's surprising that anyone wants to leave comments at all anymore. |
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06/16/2005 10:38:45 PM · #67 |
| I agree. Even though I try to be very polite and objective, my first reaction was "Oh, no...was it me?" |
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06/16/2005 10:57:06 PM · #68 |
Hey...
well, as they say... a picture says a thousand words... and to that... don't let that 1 word upset you. I used to get upset at some comments myself as well, but you have to just let it roll off your back. The difficult thing is that no one will ever be able to please everyone! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
My submission for the challenge "Darkeness" has been receiving some interesting comments as well... and i guess that this is to tag on to your comment about playing it safe... I disagree... by "playing it safe" you are denying yourself your own style... you are conforming to what "the people" want to see and that is not the way it should work. I know that for myself... I'm extremely pleased with my picture for the "darkness" challenge, yet I have been receiving low scores. But i know deep down that I am not a bad photographer. My eye sees differently from other people... some people really love my work and other's don't even look twice... its just the way that it goes... but at the end of the day, I am very proud of my work as I know you are too!
Congratulations on your membership too! It is soooo much better being a member! I love this site and I'm glad that it exists! It is an excellent community to learn and develop skill and technique.
Cheers!
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06/16/2005 10:59:01 PM · #69 |
| All of these threads about voting and comments have given me an idea for a challenge: Try to create the most universally pleasing photograph possible. That's tongue in cheek. But doesn't it make you think? |
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06/16/2005 11:03:33 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by mrsmaxsmart:
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by mrsmaxsmart:
Just for everyone's information. I got a stupid comment today. I normally don't reply but this idiot has never even participated in a challenge, so I had to say something and I did. I feel better :) |
I've noticed that you've complained more than once about your comments. |
It's the same comment two different threads. Is that illegal? |
Certainly not illegal, although to clarify my point it was here in this thread you claim to have received a "stupid" comment from an "idiot" and also two weeks ago you trashed a commenter in the "Worst Comments Ever" thread.
I had no wish to start an argument. Rather, I was trying to politely help you realize that constantly complaining about the criticism you receive is disrespectful to the many commenters that are genuinely trying to help both you and others. |
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06/16/2005 11:34:05 PM · #71 |
c'mon. Photography is an art form, and very subjective. DPC is a forum to expose your work, learn, and get feedback. There isn't a fee or even the requirement of owning a camera and being a photographer to vote on challenges. All that is required is that you own a computer and be on line.
Artists need to be tough and sensative at the same time. I REALLY dislike Picasso........one of the most most popular artists of our era. If you like your image, why should you care about what some rude SOB had to say? Thats one of the things I love about photography.
My last challenge entry was the highest rated of my challenge entries, and the one I liked the least. I have a thing about scape and flower shots. It scored pretty well. I attempted to enter a photo I thought others would like, as opposed to what i like.
If you are that thin skinned to take offense over one comment, and be concerned over few comments vs views and votes, perhaps you should find a different media to express yourself..........or adjust your style of imagery to be more popular. Unless you are a pro or hoping to be a pro or semi pro, I think this is a form of artist prostitution. The advantage of an amateur. Don't like my work? TS. |
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06/16/2005 11:39:08 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by northrop3:
OK, I say we just contact Jerry Springer and set up one of his classic ambush programs. Get lot's of DPCers together and let us all duke it out!
That, or maybe a new round of Survivor. The Troll tribe vs. the ....
Whatever. |
Thanks Northrop3, i try to clean up a misunderstanding - because my comment was not what the photographer assumed it to be and you call me a Troll. No, really, Cheers.
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06/16/2005 11:54:24 PM · #73 |
it looks like an attempt a humor was missunderstood.
I wasn't calling you a troll memeraj. I was just trying to make the point that we are all getting way too worked up over this.
I for one don't know that making comments is worthwhile anymore. |
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06/17/2005 12:13:53 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by northrop3:
it looks like an attempt a humor was missunderstood.
I wasn't calling you a troll memeraj. I was just trying to make the point that we are all getting way too worked up over this.
I for one don't know that making comments is worthwhile anymore. |
Sorry! It has been insinuated that i am a lot of things in this thread - over a misunderstanding and here i am making one myself.
I will continue to comment, and i've been blown with the bluntest end of this stick - so no one else should quit either.
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06/17/2005 12:36:39 AM · #75 |
my suggestion would be to let it go. Especially if you are as mad as you say you are.
Everyone gets bad comments that make 'em angry. This would be a really messed up placed if we all lashed out when it happened. Not to say that is the approach you would take but let's face it, eveyrone's got there own opinion & that's all it is--- someone else's opinion. It doesnt have to define what ur pic is ya know.
All i'm saying is that ur anger will pass & hopefully you will stand by ur pic regardless of comments that come ur way.
good luck in the challenge
peace
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