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06/15/2005 12:13:44 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by bcoble:
I guess I am frustrated with this challenge. "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image." I have received two comments that my photo does not meet the criteria however too me it was "cut and dry"
Without describing my photo, I have come to the conclusion that I do not have a clue. I believe that my image is so obvious that it meets the challenge that there should be no question. I am so confused. |
That's only 2 comments out of what will be hundreds of voters. Bearing in mind that many voters accept only their own version of the topic as "valid", this should be no particular surprise to you.
Robt.
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06/15/2005 12:14:40 PM · #52 |
| Clearly the photographer's don't know what darkness means to themselves... despite being the one who took the picture. Obviously everyone else but them knows what they are thinking ;) |
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06/15/2005 12:19:29 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Originally posted by awpollard:
Ah yes...another open challenge by the "you don't know what I'm thinking" clause. :) |
I don't agree that this is an open challenge. Certainly all the photos I have looked at so far (maybe half) have some connection to Darkness. The Challenge is not a narrow challenge but the entry has to have some conenction to Darkness. I see it in most of these. A true Open Cahllenge has no subject what-so-ever.
Edit - Bear - I agree that my higher votes will be the more emotive shots and I also hope that loose connections are not the top vote getters. But most of these are conencted in some way. |
I have to agree 100% on this. My entry, while not a shot of a black screen of death, does have the connection if you tie the title to the subject. The 'darkness' is apparent, but I am being scored on the softer touches of the image. Interpretation is a sticky topic if one feels they are the only ones scoring objectively. |
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06/15/2005 12:29:36 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by merls:
I agree with your interpretation of the challenge and the lack of meeting it by most entries.
I'm not so quick to hand out 1's if it really is a great image, but they definitely lose points from me. |
I don't get this - why should you rate a photo that DOESN"T meet the challenge with a good score/higher score over one that does meet the challenge? Just because it is a pretty picture? Why bother having challenges then?
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06/15/2005 12:31:06 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
Glad I sat out of this one.. i'll vote based on photographic quality alone |
Why? The whole idea is to meet the challenge! If someone clearly meets the challenge it should rate higher than a prettier picture that doesan't!
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06/15/2005 12:40:41 PM · #56 |
| The voting scale goes from bad to good, not "doesn't meet the challenge" to "meets the challenge." While voters are asked to keep the challenge topic in highest consideration, that doesn't mean it gets 100% of the weight. Great images that meet the challenge should always rise to the top, but I do believe that a great photo that doesn't meet the challenge can score higher (like a 4 or 5) than a truly horrible photo that does. |
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06/15/2005 12:48:42 PM · #57 |
scalvert i have (in the short time i have been here) always held you in the highest regard...i still do but i must disagree with ya here...not to retype my entire dissertation you can look in the on voting forum from today....
whats the point of a challenge topic if not to meet it...
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 12:49:55.
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06/15/2005 01:04:27 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
Glad I sat out of this one.. i'll vote based on photographic quality alone |
Why? The whole idea is to meet the challenge! If someone clearly meets the challenge it should rate higher than a prettier picture that doesan't! |
Ah Yep! ... That was my point ! |
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06/15/2005 01:07:49 PM · #59 |
Ditto!
Originally posted by buzzmom:
scalvert i have (in the short time i have been here) always held you in the highest regard...i still do but i must disagree with ya here...not to retype my entire dissertation you can look in the on voting forum from today....
whats the point of a challenge topic if not to meet it... |
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06/15/2005 01:07:53 PM · #60 |
The main reason not to rate a picture that "clearly does not meet the challenge" a 1 is because... it's your opinion that it doesn't meet the challenge. The fact of making the topic or not should be part of the scoring, not all of the scoring.
Clearly this won't affect the destined winners of the category (those you can usually see clearly from the start), but it will affect everyone else... I don't know about you.. but a "this does not meet the challenge" comment and a score of 1 doesn't quite say anything helpful. |
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06/15/2005 01:09:21 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by buzzmom:
whats the point of a challenge topic if not to meet it... |
My point was simply that meeting the challenge may be the highest consideration, but it's not the ONLY consideration. Otherwise, if not meeting the challenge automatically warrants a 1, then meeting the challenge should automatically merit a 10. |
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06/15/2005 01:14:12 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by bandit:
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
nomad469 - what does darkness mean to YOU? |
Yeah, I'm interested too... |
Ok... Darkness---can mean a lot of things
My Idea was to have a businessman at the end of a jetbridge with a look of fear... (fear of flying) the shot did not have to be "dark" (tonal value) but a personal darkness ... a fear ... something dark within...
My scope is not narrow as some have suggested but indeed very very broad...
Some have locked and loaded into tonal value... and that is not, IMHO what the challenge was... what does darkness mean to you ??? To me the target was a emotional response. Not the tonality of the image.
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 13:15:25. |
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06/15/2005 01:18:21 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
Ok... Darkness---can mean a lot of things
My Idea was to have a businessman at the end of a jetbridge with a look of fear... (fear of flying) the shot did not have to be "dark" (tonal value) but a personal darkness ... a fear ... something dark within...
My scope is not narrow as some have suggested but indeed very very broad...
Some have locked and loaded into tonal value... and that is not, IMHO what the challenge was... what does darkness mean to you ??? To me the target was a emotional response. Not the tonality of the image. |
So, to you a good "darkness" photo has to depict some emotional response? Okay, but the challenge description did not say, "What does darkness mean to nomad469."
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06/15/2005 01:25:08 PM · #64 |
| the word darkness does have many meanings as many have pointed out and some quoting the dictionary.....that is why why we use sentences to define a word so the meaning is known........to take a word out of context and base your photo on that is bending the rules IMO |
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06/15/2005 01:25:17 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by buzzmom:
whats the point of a challenge topic if not to meet it... |
My point was simply that meeting the challenge may be the highest consideration, but it's not the ONLY consideration. Otherwise, if not meeting the challenge automatically warrants a 1, then meeting the challenge should automatically merit a 10. |
i feel the need to give you a {{{{HUG}}}
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06/15/2005 01:26:24 PM · #66 |
i think the degree to which you consider "adherence to the challenge topic" important is wholly up to you.
personally, i "vote" twice. at first viewing, i judge whether or not the photo meets the challenge (based on my interpretation). this determines what range of the voting scale i will be using for this image. secondly, i cast my vote regarding the quality of the photo within that new range.
in either case, how you vote is completely up to you. my way is really nerdy.
some think the topic is really important....others don't. |
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06/15/2005 01:26:47 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by buzzmom:
i feel the need to give you a {{{{HUG}}} |
I could use one. ;-) |
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06/15/2005 01:26:53 PM · #68 |
no the challenge said "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image."
It DID NOT SAY "Create an image where darkness is the lighting effect"
They are not the same thing !!!
That being said... if someone tried to capture the thing "darkness" that too would be cool...
But trying to simply shoehorn a lighting effect and saying that it meets the challenge just doesn't do it for me.
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06/15/2005 01:29:11 PM · #69 |
No. If it meets the challenge then it gets further consideration on technical merit, WOW factor, etc...in other words it gets fairly voted on.
If a pic blatantly doesn't meet the challenge (a pear in an apple challenge to borrow someones metaphor) then it's not even considered and gets a 1, I don't care HOW beautiful or artistically it's done.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by buzzmom:
whats the point of a challenge topic if not to meet it... |
My point was simply that meeting the challenge may be the highest consideration, but it's not the ONLY consideration. Otherwise, if not meeting the challenge automatically warrants a 1, then meeting the challenge should automatically merit a 10. |
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06/15/2005 01:30:24 PM · #70 |
Are we just supposed to assume everything meets the challenge? Or is it a responsibility of the photographer to convey a message to the viewer?If most folks don't get it, it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't meet the challenge, it simply means you failed to convey what you wanted the viewer to get out of your photo.
Don't get mad when people don't think you met the challenge, try to find a better way of portraying your image.
Plus, anyone can vote, so there will always be a few ignorant folks in the bunch. Try to have fun, try to learn from the comments. |
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06/15/2005 01:31:47 PM · #71 |
| What if darkness simply means a lack of light to me? |
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06/15/2005 01:32:17 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If a pic blatantly doesn't meet the challenge (a pear in an apple challenge to borrow someones metaphor) then it's not even considered and gets a 1, I don't care HOW beautiful or artistically it's done.
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As I said if you are asked to photograph an red Mack truck and return with a F150 you are wrong... and you dont get paid
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 13:32:55. |
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06/15/2005 01:33:03 PM · #73 |
then for you my friend we will make an exception
heres another one on the house {{{hug}}}
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06/15/2005 01:39:27 PM · #74 |
I am at a loss! This is the best pic I have entered but I am going up and down in scores and just got a pile of 3s - the only thing I can think of is that voters are not seeing the darkness connection or they do not like the subject. I tried to make it obvious,used a good title and it looks interesting in thumbnail. My gut instinct is that they do not understand the connection although to me it is VERY obvious.
I am absolutely gutted!
Pauline
author edit - oh yes and not a single comment to give me a clue!
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06/15/2005 01:39:40 PM · #75 |
Great point! The image should meet the challenge. Yes, I know - you can't read the photog's mind that submitted the challenge entry - but you know what, that's part of the photographers responsibility, to sell or convince the viewer what the image is trying to say. That's part of the challenge as well.
Here's a quote (by nico_blue) from another thread today that hits home:
"The most powerful images are the ones that speak to the viewer."
Exactly, 'Speak to me'...tell me/show me how your image fits the challenge and do it in a way that is creative and appealing in a way that makes me say 'Wow', I get it.
Originally posted by papa:
Are we just supposed to assume everything meets the challenge? Or is it a responsibility of the photographer to convey a message to the viewer?If most folks don't get it, it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't meet the challenge, it simply means you failed to convey what you wanted the viewer to get out of your photo.
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