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06/15/2005 02:49:37 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by shadow:
how come i have voted 50% and still havent seen a sunset? |
That's practically impossible, LOL. There's a LOT of them in there... Just hang on, you'll see 'em.
Robt.
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06/15/2005 02:52:20 AM · #27 |
Im rooting for something different in this challenge. I would be really pleased if a well done dark-art themed image won. Dont think it would happen since the 'photographs-are-supposed-to-be-happy' voting block would prob hammer such photos with 1s, but my fingers are crossed regardless.
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06/15/2005 04:44:47 AM · #28 |
I'm having a hard time right now, as there are a lot of the very very subjective ones where I'm just having a hard time understanding and empathizing with someone as to what darkness means to them.(which I think a good photo should communicate) So I'm going through doing what I can now to just get through it and then take my time through the week and go back through and re-examine them.
I Soooo wanted to enter this challenge and I had a great idea for a shot. Sadly I was un-able to get the things together I needed for it. Which is good as looking through all these I'm sort of glad I didn't enter this one...
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06/15/2005 05:03:50 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by darkyoda:
I'm having a hard time right now, as there are a lot of the very very subjective ones where I'm just having a hard time understanding and empathizing with someone as to what darkness means to them.(which I think a good photo should communicate) So I'm going through doing what I can now to just get through it and then take my time through the week and go back through and re-examine them.
I Soooo wanted to enter this challenge and I had a great idea for a shot. Sadly I was un-able to get the things together I needed for it. Which is good as looking through all these I'm sort of glad I didn't enter this one... |
Obviously everybody has different interpretations of darkness, but if it is subtle, then it should be reflected in their title. |
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06/15/2005 05:15:00 AM · #30 |
obviously all themes are subjective (that was so clear in the rock,paper, scissors contest) but I don't think that flower photos have a lot to do with darkness.. (the agricultural scientist - landscape architect in me spoke.. I'll put him to sleep now again.. :P)
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06/15/2005 05:19:44 AM · #31 |
| u were right. lots of sunsets. they were hiding at the remaining 50% which i had just voted. but some are nicely executed, no doubt. |
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06/15/2005 05:28:30 AM · #32 |
| To me darkness meant an absense of light... |
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06/15/2005 05:31:30 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
Ok folks ... I am going to call BS on a majority of the entries in the challenge...
the statement said "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image."
That is far different from what I am seeing in a lot of images (Although some are very very good)
So IMHO there will be "1" s delt out with the comment
"IMHO this image -- although very nice -- did not meet the challenge"
BTW for full disclosure... I did not enter this one as I could not come up with a idea that met this challenge.
If It was just a "dark image" I would have come up with some cool stuff.
Just my rant . |
My recommendation is that you don't vote at all.
Since you are incapable of understanding what darkness means to you then you are automatically assuming that those who entered can't understand what it means to them either. That is absurd.
Spare them your low scores based on your limited ability to understand the simple statement, "What does darkness mean to you?".
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06/15/2005 05:46:42 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by nomad469:
Ok folks ... I am going to call BS on a majority of the entries in the challenge...
the statement said "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image."
That is far different from what I am seeing in a lot of images (Although some are very very good)
So IMHO there will be "1" s delt out with the comment
"IMHO this image -- although very nice -- did not meet the challenge"
BTW for full disclosure... I did not enter this one as I could not come up with a idea that met this challenge.
If It was just a "dark image" I would have come up with some cool stuff.
Just my rant . |
My recommendation is that you don't vote at all.
Since you are incapable of understanding what darkness means to you then you are automatically assuming that those who entered can't understand what it means to them either. That is absurd.
Spare them your low scores based on your limited ability to understand the simple statement, "What does darkness mean to you?". |
Exactly! |
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06/15/2005 06:03:05 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by bandit:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by nomad469:
Ok folks ... I am going to call BS on a majority of the entries in the challenge...
the statement said "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image."
That is far different from what I am seeing in a lot of images (Although some are very very good)
So IMHO there will be "1" s delt out with the comment
"IMHO this image -- although very nice -- did not meet the challenge"
BTW for full disclosure... I did not enter this one as I could not come up with a idea that met this challenge.
If It was just a "dark image" I would have come up with some cool stuff.
Just my rant . |
My recommendation is that you don't vote at all.
Since you are incapable of understanding what darkness means to you then you are automatically assuming that those who entered can't understand what it means to them either. That is absurd.
Spare them your low scores based on your limited ability to understand the simple statement, "What does darkness mean to you?". |
Exactly! |
I have new heros. |
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06/15/2005 06:20:36 AM · #36 |
I would just like to remind you people that the challenge did not just say:
What does darkness mean to you?
but also
Show us with an image.
That's right, show us, with an image, using that image. So if you've seen a photo and you still don't feel what darkness means to the other person he has not shown it it very well. It does not matter that I don't know what darkness means to the other person, it matters whether the other person gets across what he means.
And there is a difference between thinking: "oh, this person seems to associate darkness with night, and he's photographed a very beautiful sunset/moon indeed" or "oh, I did not even think you could associate that with darkness, but now I fully see and feel it". And of course the second kind is what we should be looking for. The technical quality of the photo should be like a good butler to that communicative quality - obedient, impeccable, almost invisible.
That said, this has been a very difficult challenge. There have been several photos where I really did not know what to make of them. |
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06/15/2005 06:58:14 AM · #37 |
I did a quick run through of the pix and I have to say that I'm not getting the message or making Darkness connections with many of the images. Some of the titles aren't helping me either.
...but who am I to say what darkness means to another person. All I can do is try to understand where they are coming from and if I don't....?
I was thinking in metaphorical terms like depression, loneliness, drug addiction, hell, Dracula, Macabre, death, Elton John's "Rocketman", hopelessness, Kurt Cobain...or simply lack of light...a dead end job. It's endless.
To convey these things creatively through an image would have been impressive.
all for now.
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06/15/2005 07:26:58 AM · #38 |
WOOOHOOO!!!! This is the way it should be! This was a vague challenge, and darkness means something different to different people.\
Some think it is just a late night, or a stuffy closet.
Some think its lovers walking hand in hand in the darkness of night.
Some think its a memory of terror.
Some think its happiness of children playing in the late evening with fireflies.
Some think its the sadness and mental condition that the human race sees on in this world.
For anyone to vote for a photo using the reasoning that the photo doesnt not your interpretation of darkness and you're giving it a 1 to me fits the darkness challenge perfectly.
edit: spelling
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
Glad I sat out of this one.. i'll vote based on photographic quality alone |
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 07:28:47. |
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06/15/2005 07:33:01 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by merls:
I agree with your interpretation of the challenge and the lack of meeting it by most entries.
I'm not so quick to hand out 1's if it really is a great image, but they definitely lose points from me. |
Agreed...I don't automatically dole out a '1' for an image that I don't think meets a challenge definiation. I try very hard to be very open minded about other people's thoughts and images. (I've learned that here on DPC). However, as you say, if I don't feel it meets the challenge defination, I will not score it high, no matter how good the actual image is. Meeting Challenge Defination must be the most important criteria, otherwise anyone could submit any image at all for any challenge. There are some images in this challenge that really don't seem to meet the challenge IMHO. Good Luck All!
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06/15/2005 07:36:52 AM · #40 |
aaahhh - WHY did you have to go and say THAT? Man those flower bashers are everywhere - dang!
I have not looked at the challenge entries yet as I'm just finishing breakfast here in my neck of the woods. So now I'm off to find those flowers.
Hey, don't they usually have a TON of flowers at many funerals? That certainly would be a dark image - death. Maybe flowers could trigger a "what darkness means to me" image. Looking at my score I wish I had thought of that one. He-he. Who's to say?
Different strokes for different folks! ;^)
Originally posted by nikant:
obviously all themes are subjective (that was so clear in the rock,paper, scissors contest) but I don't think that flower photos have a lot to do with darkness.. (the agricultural scientist - landscape architect in me spoke.. I'll put him to sleep now again.. :P) |
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 07:37:19.
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06/15/2005 07:40:58 AM · #41 |
I sat this one out. Looks like a tough subject to try and reel in AND I thought it was reasonably clear at the start from the pre-discussion.
I may or may not vote after I give it another quick run through. I need to make heads or tails of where people are coming from before I start chucking numbers around.
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06/15/2005 07:41:59 AM · #42 |
| I have been voting a little this morning. I try to leave comments where I can. Hopefully others will do the same. People want to know. That aside. I just don't see the dark in a lot of them. I see what some people tried to capture. But, they seemed to miss it. Others I couldn't say what they were aiming for. Some just say dark. Even though I couldn't tell you why. Seem like they are either Good, Good or Bad. Not much in the middle. Thats my veiw anywhay. |
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06/15/2005 07:48:00 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Hey, don't they usually have a TON of flowers at many funerals? That certainly would be a dark image - death. Maybe flowers could trigger a "what darkness means to me" image. Looking at my score I wish I had thought of that one. He-he. Who's to say? |
That would have been a great image. The contrast of a shiny black coffin by a grave site surrounded by beautiful flowers on a cloudy day.
Maybe a very tight shot of the two with a bokeh of mourners?
I could see myself now ghoulishly, lurching around a cemetery when a relative of the deceased comes up to me and asks
"Excuse me sir...but what are you doing with that camera and a tripod at our funeral?"
and I look up from my viewfinder and blurt out
"...tryin to break a 6"
Message edited by author 2005-06-15 07:54:42.
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06/15/2005 07:54:32 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by nomad469:
Ok folks ... I am going to call BS on a majority of the entries in the challenge...
the statement said "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image."
That is far different from what I am seeing in a lot of images (Although some are very very good)
So IMHO there will be "1" s delt out with the comment
"IMHO this image -- although very nice -- did not meet the challenge"
BTW for full disclosure... I did not enter this one as I could not come up with a idea that met this challenge.
If It was just a "dark image" I would have come up with some cool stuff.
Just my rant . |
My recommendation is that you don't vote at all.
Since you are incapable of understanding what darkness means to you then you are automatically assuming that those who entered can't understand what it means to them either. That is absurd.
Spare them your low scores based on your limited ability to understand the simple statement, "What does darkness mean to you?". |
Tap the brakes dude...I see the term darkness as discussed here to be rather an emotional (subjective) idea. I did not pull together what I concider the proper way to capture that emotion... so instead of offering up something that did not meet the requirements... I decided to pass... What is truely absurd is some who clearly did not understand the challenge trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
You and others that had the same general comments simply dont get it ... If it was a darkness open challenge then I would have no problem... but that is NOT what it was.
If you had a client that asked for "foo" and you delivered "bar" you did not meet the requirements of the assignment. Plain and simple...
The word in the "mean" has a meaning (sorry about that)...
There are some that captured what the challenge was there are some that simply did not.
I have decided simply not to vote on the ones that did not IMHO. (as I said some of the ones that did not meet the challenge are great shots - I really dont want to drag them down with the way I see things)
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06/15/2005 08:02:56 AM · #45 |
From the dictionary ...
Synonyms: dark, dim, murky, dusky, obscure, opaque, shady, shadowy
These adjectives indicate the absence of light or clarity. Dark, the most widely applicable, can refer to insufficiency of illumination for seeing (a dark evening), deepness of shade or color (dark brown), absence of cheer (a dark, somber mood), or lack of rectitude (a dark past). Dim suggests lack of clarity of outline: "life and the memory of it cramped,/dim, on a piece of Bristol board" (Elizabeth Bishop). It can also apply to a source of light to indicate insufficiency: "storied Windows richly dight,/Casting a dim religious light" (John Milton). Murky implies darkness, often extreme, such as that produced by smoke or fog: "The path was altogether indiscernible in the murky darkness which surrounded them" (Sir Walter Scott). Dusky suggests the dimness that is characteristic of diminishing light, as at twilight: "The dusky night rides down the sky,/And ushers in the morn" (Henry Fielding). Also, it often refers to deepness of shade of a color: "A dusky blush rose to her cheek" (Edith Wharton). Obscure usually means unclear to the mind or senses, but it can refer to physical darkness: the obscure rooms of a shuttered mansion. Opaque means incapable of being penetrated by light: an opaque window shade ; figuratively it applies to something that is unintelligible: opaque philosophical arguments. Shady refers literally to what is sheltered from light, especially sunlight (a shady grove of pines) or figuratively to what is of questionable honesty (shady business deals). Shadowy also implies obstructed light (a shadowy path) but may suggest shifting illumination and indistinctness: "[He] retreated from the limelight to the shadowy fringe of music history" (Charles Sherman). It can also refer to something that seems to lack substance and is mysterious or sinister: a shadowy figure in a black cape. |
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06/15/2005 08:03:24 AM · #46 |
I agree with your decision not to enter the challenge, nomad. I also could not come up with a suitable photograph and did not enter. If I had just entered something that was dark in order to have an update button then I would deserve the 1's you give me.
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06/15/2005 08:19:33 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I agree with your decision not to enter the challenge, nomad. I also could not come up with a suitable photograph and did not enter. If I had just entered something that was dark in order to have an update button then I would deserve the 1's you give me. |
Thanks... You hit it right on the head.
I look at these challenges as "client requirements" ... I can either meet the requirements or I can not...
If the client wanted a red Mack truck and I delivered a blue F150 then I would be wrong.
If I just threw something out "just cause" and argued that this is my impression when I got pinged on not meeting the requirements... then I would be wrong.
Dang... gotta go to work.
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06/15/2005 08:23:42 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by nico_blue:
Im rooting for something different in this challenge. I would be really pleased if a well done dark-art themed image won. Dont think it would happen since the 'photographs-are-supposed-to-be-happy' voting block would prob hammer such photos with 1s, but my fingers are crossed regardless. |
damn those delusional happy-photo people. They do it to me every time.
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06/15/2005 10:57:39 AM · #49 |
I think there are some photos in this that do not meet the challenge. I think the "photo alone - without title" should portray darkness in some way. I do not however give 1s on great photos unless it is so obvious they just had a picture they liked and stuck it up there even though it had nothing to do with the challenge. (and yeah, sometimes there are those, people have admitted it!)
I have been voted very low because people did not think I met the challenge and that is okay. I knew some would get it, and some would not. That is art. But, I have to agree with the original poster, there are a lot of those in "darkness" with photo and title that still make you go HUH? It should not be that big of a mystery on any challenge.
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06/15/2005 12:11:31 PM · #50 |
I guess I am frustrated with this challenge. "What does darkness mean to you? Show us with an image." I have received two comments that my photo does not meet the criteria however too me it was "cut and dry"
Without describing my photo, I have come to the conclusion that I do not have a clue. I believe that my image is so obvious that it meets the challenge that there should be no question. I am so confused. |
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