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09/25/2002 09:32:20 AM · #1
I just received a comment on my current challenge photograph about its relevance to the challenge. It was one of the comments that breaks down their voting and then averages it out. Well, I got a 6 for relevance to the challenge. While 6 isn't horribly low, it's very hard to detemrine relevance to a challenge like this. This isn't "Landscapes", it's "Your Corner of the World". My picture is taken from my garden. It's titled "Garden ..." to let people know how it relates to my life. How can someone in their right mind give me a 6 on challenge relevance when it's MY corner of the world.

I guess I just think there are some very picky voters out there on their high horse dishing out ratings based on their own perspective and it can sometimes be very narrow.

* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 4:16:11 PM.
09/25/2002 09:37:49 AM · #2
It's best if you keep your shot anonymous until after the voting is over :) You may want to edit out your reference to the title...

I feel your pain that folks take such a narrow view of the challenges sometimes, but i see a '6' in the challenge category of those kinds of votes as meaning, "your photo did a better than average (5.5) job of meeting the challenge." Not that you didn't meet it, just that you didn't nail it to a tree with a very original, unique vision of the challenge...

But I could be wrong :)


* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 9:37:02 AM.
09/25/2002 10:09:10 AM · #3
nicowens - Just to back up myqyl's suggestion, please do edit your title out of your post. It's not a rule that we don't discuss submissions openly during the challenge week, but it's a matter of etiquette here.
09/25/2002 04:22:51 PM · #4
I got another comment. This one said he can't see the relevance to the challenge "unless it is ... gardening maybe". Well, that is my corner of the world. How else can you depict a garden as your corner of the world? I just think a good grader would choose not to grade relevance to the challenge like this. Me, I take a point off my final vote if there's absolutely no relevance but I basically try to assume that there is relevance and figure out how well they did with the photo after that. To me, I can't see how it's not obvious. Maybe jmsetzler would care to respond?
09/25/2002 04:26:34 PM · #5
If the comment you are referring to was left by me, I'll be happy to discuss it with you in private now or in the forums after the challenge is over...

09/25/2002 04:49:08 PM · #6
Research complete... I believe it is my comment on this photo that is in question here... before discussion of it, I would suggest re-reading the comment... You took a very small portion of my entire comment and posted it here. Since you have already revealed your photo in this thread, i will be happy to qualify my comment and score on it if you wish...
09/25/2002 06:41:13 PM · #7
My experience in this challange has been: "...that's *YOUR* corner of the world? A "blank blank blank"?? Well as far as the subject being unappealing..."

Maybe there are gang bangers and prostitutes on the corner of my world...not sunsets and mountain tops. look beyond your expectations, keep an open mind please. Your gut may not like what you see but that's part of the function of art...to get a reaction, to provoke thinking.

Some people expect to see smiling children's faces and sunsets. I had hoped that poeple's expectations do not enter into the voting, I guess I was wrong. Art requires an open mind.

09/25/2002 06:44:12 PM · #8
Originally posted by mnast:
My experience in this challange has been: "...that's *YOUR* corner of the world? A "blank blank blank"?? Well as far as the subject being unappealing..."

Maybe there are gang bangers and prostitutes on the corner of my world...not sunsets and mountain tops. look beyond your expectations, keep an open mind please. Your gut may not like what you see but that's part of the function of art...to get a reaction, to provoke thinking.

Some people expect to see smiling children's faces and sunsets. I had hoped that poeple's expectations do not enter into the voting, I guess I was wrong. Art requires an open mind.



I agree Mnast....we all need to be careful not to assume to know what someone's corner may or may not look like.
On the other hand (speaking only of my photo)...they might just hate it to begin with. :)




* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 6:42:43 PM.
09/25/2002 08:22:21 PM · #9
The description of the challenge says: "This can be anything as small as something in your bedroom, to something as large as a city or state landmark." What represents your corner of the world can be pretty personal and in the light of this description I feel almost anything fits the challenge. I'm certainly not scoring this one on relevance.
09/25/2002 08:24:58 PM · #10
I'm providing plenty of leeway myself... the particular photo in question, i commented that I understood the 'my corner' concept that was being provided... I went on to say more... my entire comment was not included in the post here for some reason... not really sure why..

09/25/2002 08:46:10 PM · #11
Originally posted by shutterfly:
Someone gave me 3 because they didn't like a certain sport team depicted in my picture.....


Try posting a photo of a flag sometime.. lol
09/25/2002 08:55:06 PM · #12
Originally posted by nicowens:
I just received a comment on my current challenge photograph about its relevance to the challenge. It was one of the comments that breaks down their voting and then averages it out. Well, I got a 6 for relevance to the challenge. While 6 isn't horribly low, it's very hard to detemrine relevance to a challenge like this. This isn't "Landscapes", it's "Your Corner of the World". My picture is taken from my garden. It's titled "Garden ..." to let people know how it relates to my life. How can someone in their right mind give me a 6 on challenge relevance when it's MY corner of the world.

I guess I just think there are some very picky voters out there on their high horse dishing out ratings based on their own perspective and it can sometimes be very narrow


Do like me don't read the comments? Maybe I will read them a couple of days after the contest from now on. Most comments made here are not to try and help you improve your picture. You know if we knew what camera, shutter speed, f-stop, and maybe details you could possibly help a person with a comment.
09/25/2002 08:56:50 PM · #13
The exposure is only part of the image... telling someone what shutter speed and aperture settings to use is not easy... you can generalize if you want to talk about that and say maybe one more stop over or under would bring this into play...
09/25/2002 09:09:39 PM · #14
Someone gave me a 1 because they "could have found the same scene here in CA" so it didn't show them MY corner as opposed to theirs :)

The kicker is, I live in CA :) So yes, they COULD have found that scene there :)

Luckily, I've truly stopped caring at all what score I get. If someone wants to give me a one because they feel they are better equipped to say what my corner of the world is than I am, so be it.


* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 9:10:31 PM.
09/25/2002 09:24:41 PM · #15
Apparently,and this is just my opinion,we are all supposed to think in an abstract way or get faulted for it.What one feels his corner of the world is,is what he wants it to be to him....not what someone else thinks it should be.What I've seen here....I can't even comment on.I thought this would be fun to do,boy was I wrong.Oh well,live and learn,first and last time that I'll enter.
09/25/2002 09:33:21 PM · #16
Trolls are a menace. I hope this site registers their IP and stops them entering again.
09/25/2002 09:33:23 PM · #17
Originally posted by ABC:
Apparently,and this is just my opinion,we are all supposed to think in an abstract way or get faulted for it.What one feels his corner of the world is,is what he wants it to be to him....not what someone else thinks it should be.What I've seen here....I can't even comment on.I thought this would be fun to do,boy was I wrong.Oh well,live and learn,first and last time that I'll enter.

Don't take it personally. It's interesting to see what other people like, because the reality is that not everyone will share your taste. Just discovering what is and isn't popular is a learning experience in itself.
09/25/2002 11:45:14 PM · #18
ABC - there is a lot of good that can come out of entering here regularly. You'll get to the point where you have one way of thinking for "DPC photos" and another way of thinking that's a lot looser and more satisfying when you take photos just for yourself. You'll then appreciate what YOU want to express and HOW you want to express it a lot more, because you can see what the other side of the fence is like (working within the restrictions of this site).

It's a great experience. Learn not to take everything personally and just get what you can out of it.


* This message has been edited by the author on 9/26/2002 12:27:30 AM.
09/26/2002 12:00:03 AM · #19
I know exactly what you mean. I got the same comment. I'm becoming more callous to negative and sometimes thoughtless comments made. Just as you state, "Corner of the World" is not something that can be closely defined. For right now, I've decided to just submit the picture I think makes the best "artistic" statement and then be proud that I did my best.

Originally posted by nicowens:
I just received a comment on my current challenge photograph about its relevance to the challenge. It was one of the comments that breaks down their voting and then averages it out. Well, I got a 6 for relevance to the challenge. While 6 isn't horribly low, it's very hard to detemrine relevance to a challenge like this. This isn't "Landscapes", it's "Your Corner of the World". My picture is taken from my garden. It's titled "Garden ..." to let people know how it relates to my life. How can someone in their right mind give me a 6 on challenge relevance when it's MY corner of the world.

I guess I just think there are some very picky voters out there on their high horse dishing out ratings based on their own perspective and it can sometimes be very narrow


09/26/2002 12:34:15 AM · #20
So far I've really enjoyed voting on this challenge.

It is great to get a glimpse into what people think defines who they
are or where they live.

There are some lovely lovely photographs that have been entered this time too.

Even if voting/ commenting on 244 pictures is hard work!
09/26/2002 12:52:05 AM · #21
I was expecting pictures of what your town looked like or the area you live, so I knew what the your part of the world looked like. I know what shoes and bedrooms look like. We have five bedrooms in our house. Some clean and others well we never open the doors. It would be nice to see what there is beyond the rooms, so if we planned a trip or if we seen your comment we could say wow they live in a cool place. I want to go there.
I am not saying that I vote you all down because I didn't get what I wanted. It would have been neat. I guess I will have to keep getting my vacation magezine.
09/26/2002 01:14:24 AM · #22
Maybe if you look at it this way. If someone asked you to explain what your corner of the world looked like, would you explain in a way that is similar to what is in the photo you submitted? Just something to make you think.
09/26/2002 02:16:00 AM · #23
I'll need to be careful how I word this so as not to 'give away' my photo, but my world isn't a place... Showing a monument or a hillside or DisneyLand wouldn't say a thing about my world. My photo (a technical disaster) is a perfect representation of 'my world'... And as poorly as it is doing (deservedly so, it's truly a technical nightmare), I am probably prouder of it then any shot I've submitted in the past... I've finally said something... And from many of the comments I've received, people heard me...

I'm happy :)
09/26/2002 08:16:01 AM · #24
OK,I have 1 question and when it is answered,I will follow-up on it.The question is,"Who decides on the challenge theme and sets the guidelines?"
09/26/2002 08:44:29 AM · #25
Originally posted by ABC:
OK,I have 1 question and when it is answered,I will follow-up on it.The question is,"Who decides on the challenge theme and sets the guidelines?"

The weekly challenge theme is chosen by the site administrators (Drew and Langdon), almost always from suggestions given by site users. I'm not sure what you mean by guidelines though. Could you please clarify? Once I fully understand what you're referring to I'll do my best to answer.

-Terry


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