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05/31/2005 11:47:52 AM · #26
Originally posted by cghubbell:

For some, Windows is just not an option that works in the way that they do.


Likewise, Mac is not for everyone.....

Although I am much more supportive of where Mac has been going in recent years....I am still left shouting "Give me the !@#$% two-button mouse Steve!"
05/31/2005 11:52:17 AM · #27
Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by cghubbell:

For some, Windows is just not an option that works in the way that they do.


Likewise, Mac is not for everyone.....

Although I am much more supportive of where Mac has been going in recent years....I am still left shouting "Give me the !@#$% two-button mouse Steve!"


Although MacOS is fully compatible with multi-button mice out of the box, I still wonder how they've resisted this long. Being a long-time UNIX / X-Windows guy, I tend to scream for 3 buttons.

The logic is supposed to be that tech support always has trouble getting people to understand "right click" and "left click" so they went to a model where all that was needed was "click". I can see the argument, and have been trying to tell myself that I just need to keep an open mind. But deep down I still love my three-button mouse.

Message edited by author 2005-05-31 11:52:47.
05/31/2005 11:53:20 AM · #28
Originally posted by koltrane75:


PC Idea #1:
* AMD 64-FX 55
* 2GB RAM
* 2x 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard drives
* 1x 250GB 7,200 SATA Hard Drive
* 2x PCI-E 6800 Geforce Ultra 256MB Video Cards in SLI config


:D I like
Build me one too..
05/31/2005 11:59:29 AM · #29
And yes, they claim the same functionality by holding the click-button, but this constitutes a great loss of accumulated time.
05/31/2005 12:20:36 PM · #30
Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by DanSig:

4GB..since that's the max for a PC


Not quite true, actually a bit of typical Mac-addict mis-information. There are WinTel PCs out there that are running 32GBs of RAM. However, when you approach said levels of RAM and multi-processors you enter the "server" territory.

The 4gb data address is the max per 32bit processor memory bus.

Few people realize the server option but most people who go that route find themselves with a much more stable computer system.


actually I am NOT Mac addict, I have been using PC since MSDOS 3.xx and still do, I have had servers, workstations, game machines, and graphics stations, very big difference between those all..
and I have used all types of Windows, Linux, Os2, and OsX, so I am not in favor of any specific type of hardware or system, they all serve a specific purpose, and have their strenghts and weaknesses.

I chose Mac last time I upgraded because I wanted to know if it was as good as everyone said.
I still have a AMD 2700XP on my desk, and I use it for software not available on the mac, like 3DsMax 6 and Autocad architectural desktop.

to advice someone to buy a computer designed as a server, and to use it as a photoediting station.. well it's a very BAD advice, there is a reason why it's a SERVER ;) and who would spend $100K on a desktop/server for personal use ? (average price for multi processor AMD64)

as far as the Mac goes, for photoediting I have never had a computer this secure, I have NEVER lost any photoshop work on a Mac due to freezing, bluescreen, or other malfunction in software or hardware, but I frequently suffer from loss of work when using a windows based system, so I have completly stopped doing important work on a PC, unless autosave is set from 30sec-1min.

the dual processor G5 with the 23" apple HD cinema display is the most popular setup for photographers, videoeditors, graphic designers and many other digital artists worldwide.

I know the PC is greater in numbers, but no specific PC setup is greater in number than the dual G5 with the 23" HD cinema display. it's just the most popular in the artist world.. and it not only works as supposed to, it's a great design and looks good everywhere :)
05/31/2005 12:35:45 PM · #31
Originally posted by DanSig:

as far as the Mac goes, for photoediting I have never had a computer this secure, I have NEVER lost any photoshop work on a Mac due to freezing, bluescreen, or other malfunction in software or hardware, but I frequently suffer from loss of work when using a windows based system

With respect, you've got something seriously wrong with whatever windows based system you're using then. Even 5 years ago I'd have been inclined to agree but on an XP-based system? I can't think of the last time I lost any photoshop work due to a crash and although I do very occasionally get bluescreens it's a hardware issue (overheating) rather than anything to do with the OS.

I'd question your assertion that the G5 is "the most popular setup for..." all those people; I'd love to read the statistics you're basing that on.
05/31/2005 12:39:08 PM · #32
Answer to the video card question... ;)

Because you can buy servers that are from last cycle for a mere $1,000-$2,000. And off-lease units even cheaper...

Compaq Proliant DL580 Dual P3 900MHz Xeon, 2GB RAM, 144GB, RAID!

I do believe Mac has come a LONG way. I may even contemplate a Mac at some point down the road. I believe their moving to BSD for their operating system core was an extremely smart move on their part. And has added much stability to the platform. (And for Mac addicts, please don't say it's always been there. I used to own a Mac. And I worked in a business environment totally based on Macs. (pre OS-X they crashed often).

Current issues with Mac is it costs you an arm and a leg.

The price of Mac systems and software is exhorbient. My Toshiba P25 Satellite 17" laptop gave me very few problems in the almost two years I've had. (Actually surprising for a PC... ;) Yes, I am sending it off to be fixed but for a minor issue. The power input jack is a bit worn and not making a clean connection.

The biggest thing that kills Mac adoption is their constant over-exaggeration. Every new processor "oh it's 10x faster than it's PC counter-parts). But when independent examiners test they find that in one or two benchmarks they are but in most they still lag behind PCs.

On the flip side, I believe Mac is improving quite a bit - as I said their OS-X and the complete dis-inheritance of prior hardware was a very wise decision.
05/31/2005 12:46:01 PM · #33
Originally posted by ganders:

Originally posted by DanSig:

as far as the Mac goes, for photoediting I have never had a computer this secure, I have NEVER lost any photoshop work on a Mac due to freezing, bluescreen, or other malfunction in software or hardware, but I frequently suffer from loss of work when using a windows based system

With respect, you've got something seriously wrong with whatever windows based system you're using then. Even 5 years ago I'd have been inclined to agree but on an XP-based system? I can't think of the last time I lost any photoshop work due to a crash and although I do very occasionally get bluescreens it's a hardware issue (overheating) rather than anything to do with the OS.

I'd question your assertion that the G5 is "the most popular setup for..." all those people; I'd love to read the statistics you're basing that on.


you are obviously not working with the same size files I do.

try working with a file that includes 150 layers, image size 160.000 x 45.000 pixels @540dpi, the total filesize exeeding 1.5GB and try running a filter like Gaussian blur... it made photoshop on windows stop responding every time I tried, the G5 made it in 17 sec without problems :)

Message edited by author 2005-05-31 13:02:03.
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