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04/30/2003 08:11:35 AM · #1
Originally posted by PhotosByAyme:

dpchallenge.com ...
an socially acceptable addiction


YOU SPAM TOO MUCH!!!
04/29/2003 11:43:25 AM · #2
Originally posted by GeneralE:

For a similar "challenge" with even less reward, check out Jones Soda -- some 120,000 entries in their gallery of potential labels...


Even less reward is right -- they STILL haven't sent me the comp labels they're supposed to send when one of your images is picked to be on a label -- nor did they ever respond to my e-mail on the subject...

Hmmmm, technically, they're in breach of contract -- yeah, and what, I'm going to sue them for a handful of labels???
04/29/2003 11:06:29 AM · #3
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

If you ask me, the Admins could easily have come up with their own sticker idea, they only did this to let those who wanted to, get involved, and say (as previously posted) "I DID THAT!!" It is called active participation. It is sometimes used to make/help people be more involved and have a sense of belonging.

Put a photo credit on your entry...

For a similar "challenge" with even less reward, check out Jones Soda -- some 120,000 entries in their gallery of potential labels...
04/29/2003 11:01:06 AM · #4
If you ask me, the Admins could easily have come up with their own sticker idea, they only did this to let those who wanted to, get involved, and say (as previously posted) "I DID THAT!!" It is called active participation. It is sometimes used to make/help people be more involved and have a sense of belonging.
04/29/2003 10:09:59 AM · #5
Originally posted by linashlee2:

Originally posted by mk:

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not submitting a design unless: I'm allowed to put my full name, business phone number and a photo of myself in the dead center; they print them with 3M restickable tape; and they promise to make a Braille version for the blind photographers on the site. I also maintain full rights to wear the sticker on my forhead for the remainder of my days. I expect a $7 royalty for each sticker sold and my profits are to be direct deposited to my account on every third day, except when the third day falls on a Sunday, in which case, it must be deposited by Monday morning at 10am. This is only reasonable. Thanks.

Btw, I'm going out partying this weekend, so can the deadline be changed to Tuesday at 11:15 am? I should at my desk then.


lol
04/29/2003 10:02:51 AM · #6
Originally posted by mk:

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not submitting a design unless: I'm allowed to put my full name, business phone number and a photo of myself in the dead center; they print them with 3M restickable tape; and they promise to make a Braille version for the blind photographers on the site. I also maintain full rights to wear the sticker on my forhead for the remainder of my days. I expect a $7 royalty for each sticker sold and my profits are to be direct deposited to my account on every third day, except when the third day falls on a Sunday, in which case, it must be deposited by Monday morning at 10am. This is only reasonable. Thanks.

Btw, I'm going out partying this weekend, so can the deadline be changed to Tuesday at 11:15 am? I should at my desk then.
04/28/2003 11:15:48 PM · #7
I would sure like this challenge to last 2 weeks. I just got back from vacation. I feel like I have been gone for a month and it has only been five days.

Any how I might give it a try, but if not I think it is a good idea. Can't wait to see the results!
04/27/2003 10:31:16 PM · #8
Originally posted by Geocide:

Good god, you guys like to take a simple point and run.

04/27/2003 09:51:02 PM · #9
Funny, I love how when someone voices their opinion, it's their "right" and opinion. But the moment someone speaks up against their opinion it becomes an attack.

I think it's one thing if a multi-million dollar company comes to you and says, "Well we need you to come up with new campaign ads for this latest whatever we're doing. Oh and by the way, this would be more of a favor to me seeing how such good friends we are, thanks."

It's another when a small business/group that's probably putting more time into something than what they're getting back says, "Hey we have an open challenge to anyone that wants to design a sticker for us. There is no obligation to anyone to enter this challenge. You will be given credit for this design and can use it in a portfolio or resume. Have fun!"

Hmm, maybe my logic is completely skewed, because to me this seems like two totally different situations. You said it yourself:
"I not saying never help anyone that's just rude."
So what you're really saying then is Drew is making lots of money off this site and is just trying to take advantage of anyone that can come up with a design? Ok Drew, show us the money, the jig is up, we know you're stacked :p

I might have registered just recently but have been reading the forums and whatnot for a while now. If one cannot handle having their opinions disagreed with. Maybe one shouldn't voice their opinions if they feel any disagreement is an attack on them. Just a thought.

Message edited by author 2003-04-27 21:51:47.
04/27/2003 09:17:52 PM · #10
*sigh*

Perhaps, no one can listen to a person's opinion without attacking that person's idea or that person him/herself. Let's not forget i was trying to clafiy a feeling shared among many members.

Bod- respected 602z photographer and fellow DPC member. Will you let me have my opinion? I agree with your "Be excellent to each other" quote. In fact, i beleive that this is the only way to be. I also beleive in baing fair to one another and yourself. I haven't attacked Drew or anyone else, i simply disagree because of my experiences and my business since. I've SEEN many many people get taken advantace of under innocent intentions.

That's all.

If i were to like cherry pie, would you all rant and rave about how bad it is, or would you say..."oh, ok. That's cool. I don't like it."

Yes, i am aware that no one has to submit.
04/27/2003 08:54:02 PM · #11
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bod:

Money isn't the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything. I don't know what the answer is ...
Isn't the answer is 42, according to Douglas Adams?

The answer is 42 according to a computer called Deep Thought, but I'm not going to believe that until someone reassures me that it wasn't running on Windows ; )

Geo - you brought the payment thing back up again not me, and as for your quote I refer you back to the 'money isn't the answer' part of my post.
I'm not trying to call you anything, just pointing out that what is happening with these challenges has happened many, many times before, in many different forms.

"Be excellent to each other"
- some dumb guy
04/27/2003 08:32:24 PM · #12
Originally posted by bod:

Money isn't the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything. I don't know what the answer is ...
Isn't the answer is 42, according to Douglas Adams?
04/27/2003 08:21:06 PM · #13
Good god, you guys like to take a simple point and run.

IT's almost as though some of you are calling me a "commie" because i think we should share. WTF?

"Artists never make good business people, that's why they have very very rich managers or are very very broke"
-some wise guy

Message edited by author 2003-04-27 20:27:44.
04/27/2003 08:14:13 PM · #14
Originally posted by Geocide:

Dude, they are wonderful programmers and have created a huge site with fantasic options. I'm not demonizing them, and i don't want to be demonized either. I'm simply saying that i don't agree with the method used to create advertisements, think they should throw the winners a little somthing, mabye a free print of somthing for helping out the site. That would be fair to everyone. As a person who put himself through college by making advertisements for major companies you have to protect your talents at some point. I not saying never help anyone that's just rude.

In that case I say everybody who has written a tutorial, made a good suggestion for the site, found and reported a bug, posted a helpful answer to the forums, or had their work displayed on the front page for a week should receive a free print or something too. Let's see how fast we can wipe this site off the net.

I suggest you search Google for 'Open Source'. 99.9% of the projects that are returned will never have received a penny/cent/whatever for all their hard work, yet tens, even hundreds of developers in some cases give their time and hard work for no return other than being able to say 'I did that'.
Many of these projects have also run 'Design a Logo' contests with a top prize of ... being able to say 'I did that'.

Money isn't the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything. I don't know what the answer is but I'm certain that helping people out, just because you can, is part of that answer.

Once again, if you don't agree, don't submit. Let the rest of us get on with enjoying ourselves.
04/27/2003 07:40:48 PM · #15
Dude, they are wonderful programmers and have created a huge site with fantasic options. I'm not demonizing them, and i don't want to be demonized either. I'm simply saying that i don't agree with the method used to create advertisements, think they should throw the winners a little somthing, mabye a free print of somthing for helping out the site. That would be fair to everyone. As a person who put himself through college by making advertisements for major companies you have to protect your talents at some point. I not saying never help anyone that's just rude.
04/27/2003 01:40:08 PM · #16
Originally posted by Geocide:

This website is a business, a business that grosses at least $3000/year (at least 150 members@20/year=$3000) + prints + any advertisements on the nonmember section of the site. I mention the money because that's what's at the backbone of the issue here. You're trying to sell more prints and wouldn't mind having more memberships. $$$ I don't doubt that you guys haven't make 10,000 dollars this year. And frankly, that's none of my business. But, this is a tool designed to sell prints. Thus an advertisment.


Somehow I don't think Drew and Langdon make too much money off of DPC... 6934 users... probably only slightly over 150 members... but DPC HAS to be on a dedicated server, and it sucks a LOT of bandwidth and that's NOT cheap. I assumed that membership was created for the purpose of keeping DPC alive, and possibly compensating Drew and Langdon for their MANY hours of work that's gone into DPC. If DPC continued to grow to the point it is at now, and Drew and Langdon didn't have any incoming money they would probably be going in debt now in order to pay the bandwidth bill alone, or they'd have been forced to take DPC down. Hosting pictures like DPC does isn't cheap!

PLUS any advertising DPC does benefits the users of DPC who sell their work here. They're helping the users by doing this as much, if not more, than they're helping themselves.

I've always looked at DPC as a community of people online who have a like interest and a medium for sharing in that interest. I got that feeling the first day I stumbled across DPC, and I'm glad to say I'm a part (thought not too active lately) of this community.

I signed up for a membership feeling that I was helping keep DPC Alive, and ya Drew and Langdon will probably make some money from DPC, but they deserve it majorly. This site is amazing. The technical programming on this site must have taken many sleepless nights to code. They've created the best community based digital photography site I've found so far.

I don't mean to rant and rave, but I think Drew and Langdon aren't getting enough credit here, and are taking a lot of flak from people. I won't be submitting to the sticker challenge, as I haven't even had the time to take normal challenge pictures lately. But I would do so and be proud to have my work used on this site, and be able to say that I contributed to the community of DPC.

I think a lot of people take DPC for granted, and don't realize the effort that has gone into making a wonderful medium for digital photography sharing, printing, contests, and a great community for everyone to participate in online.

Drew and Langdon don't deserve the flak they're getting from this.
04/27/2003 10:42:42 AM · #17
I think that when the admins select any of the artwork for use, they ought to be able to work with the artist in fine tuning it for their liking. I don't think it mentioned that in the announcement, but this is a standard cllient-artist relationship. After spending literally 14 hours working on these things, I look forward to everyone else's artwork--I'm sure the labor has probably been the same!
04/25/2003 03:38:52 PM · #18
Some slogan ideas;

dpcprints.com - picture yourself - it's quite a site!
dpchallenge.com - Just picture it!
Challenge yourself at dpchallenge.com - You could be a winner!

Photographers! Don't just sit there, shoot something! dpchallenge.com
Digital Photographers don't do it in the dark! Lighten up at dpchallenge.com!

dpchallenge.com - finally! A site for sore eyes ...
04/25/2003 01:37:44 PM · #19
DPC 'Size does matter'
'Shoot-n-Print'-DPC

04/25/2003 12:47:10 PM · #20
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Geocide:


For the 3rd time, I'm explaing what i understand to be the underrepresented protion of the arguement.


I am explaining what I understand to be Drew's argument which is that there is no argument and no discussion and he's not asking for people's opinion on how best to appease everyone. It's a take it or leave it situation...he's not going to show up at your house and steal your personal art if you choose not to submit.


Ok. I'm Glad.

Here's some of my slogans:
"Top rated photography on demand. Dpprints.com"
more to come...


Message edited by author 2003-04-25 13:29:39.
04/25/2003 12:45:49 PM · #21
Originally posted by Geocide:


For the 3rd time, I'm explaing what i understand to be the underrepresented protion of the arguement.


I am explaining what I understand to be Drew's argument which is that there is no argument and no discussion and he's not asking for people's opinion on how best to appease everyone. It's a take it or leave it situation...he's not going to show up at your house and steal your personal art if you choose not to submit.
04/25/2003 12:36:09 PM · #22
Drew, Like i was saying before, i'm mearly stating what is felt by serveral people who have posted in this thread. I'm not trying to convince anybody. I have yet to see anyone that's ever changed their mind at the hand of some website forum.

Drew, you know i was saying that 10,000 dollar prize as an example of other company's contests. I had no idea, you'd take that literally.

Here's my point:
This website is a business, a business that grosses at least $3000/year (at least 150 members@20/year=$3000) + prints + any advertisements on the nonmember section of the site. I mention the money because that's what's at the backbone of the issue here. You're trying to sell more prints and wouldn't mind having more memberships. $$$ I don't doubt that you guys haven't make 10,000 dollars this year. And frankly, that's none of my business. But, this is a tool designed to sell prints. Thus an advertisment.

I am one of those people who very much enjoys this site and wish it well, I enjoy it so much that i put an investment into the site(somthing i never do). This is a great business model, and if i could i'd invest directly in it.

It seems that there is an "us vs them" mentality brewing and that's too bad because nothing positive will come from that. I do have to say that i don't appreciate being treated by the admins as some "skeptic" trying to convince everyone else. That's nieve and offensive.

For the 3rd time, I'm explaing what i understand to be the underrepresented protion of the arguement.

Better yet, let me say this:
I'd bet that 90 percent of the folks on this site would be all for designing promotion tools for the site, they just don't want to be taken advantage of.

Message edited by author 2003-04-25 12:41:17.
04/25/2003 12:12:23 PM · #23
"Some Borders will get you disqualified"
dpchallenge.com
04/25/2003 11:58:24 AM · #24
Originally posted by Geocide:

Sold or not, these would be promotional tools---> Designed to turn a profit. Much like any advertisement.

Your statement closest to a correct assumption is slightly off. Of course the stickers are meant as a promotional tool, but the part you missed is that what we're trying to promote is a website where the members of DPChallenge are trying to sell their prints. We brainstorm about this constantly, and this is just another one of our ideas. There are people who love this site and the effort we put into it, and we thought it would be a fun idea -- aside from a few skeptics, I think we assumed right about the enthusiasm of the site's users. If you want a $10,000 prize, you should probably start with a company that's made $10,000. It's been said several times in this thread, but I'll say it again -- if you don't like the challenge, don't participate! How much easier could it be? Is it really necessary to drag everyone else into your skeptical views? I hope this will be my last comment on the issue...

Drew
04/25/2003 11:23:36 AM · #25
Ykes, I'm not trying to start a fire storm, i was trying to explain what i beleive to be one the underrepresented side of the issue. I beleive that in any issue, the individual should try to step back and understand where the other side is coming from. I was not being rude, i wrote one sentence stating how i felt about the challenge.

And for the record, i do find it tacky when larger companies have "design our logo" contests and no reward for the design other than having somthing for your resume. However with many companies, their's some reward, like a year's supply of the product, or $10,000 or a vacation trip etc...

Sold or not, these would be promotional tools---> Designed to turn a profit. Much like any advertisement.

I work professionally in the advertising industry as an actor/model/videographer and if you allow people to take advantage of you/your work, they will. (Drew, i'm not saying this to you, i'm referring more to corporate types on a bigger scale) If you don't look out for yourself, no one will.

Speaking of perspective, this is a brilliant idea on the part of the site admins. To create the diverse and creative ideas that will be submitted would take a serious investment or time and money, so why not make it a challenge and have the users create the images for free. That's just smart corporate thinking. If i were in Drew's shoes, i'd probally do the same thing. But you know, i'd probally give out a couple of prints for the top 3 or 4. Just to squash out nay sayers.

It is easy to just say someone is stupid/rude and dismiss them, it's a lot more work to understand and respect their point of view. I was mearly casting my vote on the matter, for what it's worth.

adam

JOKE: I think we should have "a buy me a car" challenge. All of you get a car and I'll select the winner. The person who designed it will get the love and respect of their peers.

Message edited by author 2003-04-25 11:54:37.
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