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 05/28/2005 05:39:18 PM · #1
I want to enter the Beauty challenge, and I'm leaving for NYC Monday for a week. I may or may not have Internet access. I thought I read where a person could submit his/her details and original photo ahead if need be. Is that possible? (I only ask because I've been asked for proof before and it'll be too late by the time I'm back if I get challenged).
 05/28/2005 05:44:54 PM · #2
You have two choices:

- You can request an admin note immediately after the challenge rollover, then upload proof
- If you won't have access after the rollover, you can e-mail your proof file to me (address in prifile) and I will request prof and upload on your behalf.
 05/28/2005 05:56:59 PM · #3
Thanks kirbic. I emailed you the info and original. Appreciate your help and immediate reply!
 05/28/2005 06:08:36 PM · #4
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
Thanks kirbic. I emailed you the info and original. Appreciate your help and immediate reply!


No problema. I live to serve... at least my wife tells me so! ;-)
 05/28/2005 06:16:23 PM · #5
Originally posted by kirbic:


No problema. I live to serve... at least my wife tells me so! ;-)


Dem's da rules!!! LOL!
 05/28/2005 06:28:21 PM · #6
Just curious, what happens if you unexpectedly don't have internet access just when you're required to submit proof? Our phone was out of order for the last two days and if there had been any problems, I would have had no way of knowing. My only current entry is doing pretty badly, but I would still hate to have the stigma of a DQ just because I didn't have the opportunity to submit proof.

Please note this is a hypothetical question. No urgent e-mails were waiting for me when I finally got back online.
 05/28/2005 07:08:51 PM · #7
Unfortunately, if we do not receive proof or communication from you within the required time we do have to disqualify. We do actually wait a bit more than 48 hours before doing so, but ultimately we need to balance the possibility that the photographer had technical problems with the need to have accurate results posted at the end of the challenge (or as soon as possible thereafter in the event of a late DQ).

-Terry
 05/28/2005 07:22:36 PM · #8
That's what I was afraid of. Hopefully it will never happen.
 05/28/2005 08:48:41 PM · #9
In such a situation, if you could get to a public internet access point, e.g. internet cafe, and use the help/contact link, providing an explanation, we could accommodate a slight delay in proof submission. It's not without precedent, in extenuating circumstances. Or you could upload from the public access point.
 05/28/2005 09:38:32 PM · #10
Originally posted by kirbic:
In such a situation, if you could get to a public internet access point, e.g. internet cafe, and use the help/contact link, providing an explanation, we could accommodate a slight delay in proof submission. It's not without precedent, in extenuating circumstances. Or you could upload from the public access point.


We are talking about Africa, they still have runners with a split stick, to hold the letter, that does delivery of e-mails. ;-)
 05/29/2005 12:48:54 PM · #11
Originally posted by kirbic:
In such a situation, if you could get to a public internet access point, e.g. internet cafe, and use the help/contact link, providing an explanation, we could accommodate a slight delay in proof submission. It's not without precedent, in extenuating circumstances. Or you could upload from the public access point.


That's fine (though costly) if I know that an upload is required. The problem is that if I cannot receive e-mail, I may not know that there is a problem.
 05/29/2005 12:50:23 PM · #12
Originally posted by gibun:
We are talking about Africa, they still have runners with a split stick, to hold the letter, that does delivery of e-mails. ;-)


So that's the real reason you left :)
 05/29/2005 12:52:11 PM · #13
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
Originally posted by kirbic:
In such a situation, if you could get to a public internet access point, e.g. internet cafe, and use the help/contact link, providing an explanation, we could accommodate a slight delay in proof submission. It's not without precedent, in extenuating circumstances. Or you could upload from the public access point.


That's fine (though costly) if I know that an upload is required. The problem is that if I cannot receive e-mail, I may not know that there is a problem.

If you can log in to DPC, there will be a message requesting upload of the validation file on your home page, under the current score.
 05/29/2005 12:57:44 PM · #14
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you can log in to DPC, there will be a message requesting upload of the validation file on your home page, under the current score.


If my phone isn't working, I don't have internet access. The only way I am going to see that message is if I go to an internet cafe. I'm not likely to do that unless I'm expecting a problem.
 05/29/2005 12:58:57 PM · #15
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you can log in to DPC, there will be a message requesting upload of the validation file on your home page, under the current score.


If my phone isn't working, I don't have internet access. The only way I am going to see that message is if I go to an internet cafe. I'm not likely to do that unless I'm expecting a problem.


How would you propose we handle the situation?

We're always open to innovative solutions.

-Terry
 05/29/2005 01:12:41 PM · #16
The only thing I can possibly suggest is that if proof is submitted late, a DQ could be reversed under special circumstances. I don't know how practical this is, but otherwise I'm stumped.

I sincerely hope I never find myself in this situation anyway. As I said, it's purely a hypothetical question at this stage.
 05/29/2005 01:15:54 PM · #17
Just my own humble opinion, but I think it is the responsibility of the photographer to upload proof in a timely manner. If the photographer can't be bothered to go to an Internet cafe, I don't see why DPC should be bothered to reverse a DQ.
 05/29/2005 01:16:45 PM · #18
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
The only thing I can possibly suggest is that if proof is submitted late, a DQ could be reversed under special circumstances. I don't know how practical this is, but otherwise I'm stumped.

I sincerely hope I never find myself in this situation anyway. As I said, it's purely a hypothetical question at this stage.


My concern would be how the results would be affected when an entry was "out" for a significant portion of the voting time.

I understand that one would not be likely to "check in" from an Internet Café unless s/he knew something was wrong to begin with... but I'm concerned how time "out" of the voting would skew the results.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2005-05-29 13:17:55.
 05/29/2005 01:19:56 PM · #19
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you can log in to DPC, there will be a message requesting upload of the validation file on your home page, under the current score.


If my phone isn't working, I don't have internet access. The only way I am going to see that message is if I go to an internet cafe. I'm not likely to do that unless I'm expecting a problem.

Maybe if we don't hear from you we can send a telegram ... : )
 05/29/2005 01:25:37 PM · #20
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
We're always open to innovative solutions.

-Terry

Maybe we can arrange to make uploading the original along with the entry an option.

If the files are diverted to a temporary area, they can be automatically purged after some time limit if no DQ is ever requested; that should limit the amount of storage space required. But with hard disk space at less than $1/GB, we should be able to let people upload the original right away; storage for originals for a whole challenge should only cost a couple of bucks.
 05/29/2005 01:31:58 PM · #21
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
We're always open to innovative solutions.

-Terry

Maybe we can arrange to make uploading the original along with the entry an option.

If the files are diverted to a temporary area, they can be automatically purged after some time limit if no DQ is ever requested; that should limit the amount of storage space required. But with hard disk space at less than $1/GB, we should be able to let people upload the original right away; storage for originals for a whole challenge should only cost a couple of bucks.


Server-grade storage is not less than $1/GB.

-Terry
 05/29/2005 01:38:03 PM · #22
Originally posted by A1275:
Just my own humble opinion, but I think it is the responsibility of the photographer to upload proof in a timely manner. If the photographer can't be bothered to go to an Internet cafe, I don't see why DPC should be bothered to reverse a DQ.


Just my 2 cents, but not everybody has access to an internet cafe. Here we just got our 1st a month ago.

Perhaps tho; most of us do know someone else who uses the internet whether or not they are DPCer's, most folks wouldn't mind their friend or relative using their connection to chk their email or challenge info, and uplaod an image if needed. If it is a concern, wouldn't it be more space saving to add an emergency email address to the pref. pg in case someone goes black or is on vacation. Who knows this could result in even more registered users and or members.
 05/29/2005 02:14:27 PM · #23
Originally posted by sofapez:
Just my 2 cents, but not everybody has access to an internet cafe. Here we just got our 1st a month ago.

Perhaps tho; most of us do know someone else who uses the internet whether or not they are DPCer's, most folks wouldn't mind their friend or relative using their connection to chk their email or challenge info, and uplaod an image if needed. If it is a concern, wouldn't it be more space saving to add an emergency email address to the pref. pg in case someone goes black or is on vacation. Who knows this could result in even more registered users and or members.


You are absolutely right in that not everyone would have access to an Internet cafe; however, the point that I was responding to was a situation where one was available but not utilized.

You also have a good idea about having a friend/relative check and upload, but wouldn't that require that the friend/relative actually have the original file to send on your behalf? How would they get that? You'd probably have to physically bring it over (and then why wouldn't they just let you borrow their computer) unless you e-mailed it to them in advance. This wouldn't be likely in the event of an unexpected internet connection interruption.

I realize I might have sounded harsh, but in the case of an individual unexpected Internet access issue (unlike going on vacation in the middle of nowhere) I'm hard pressed to believe that the photographer can't find someone or some business with a working Internet connection to borrow or use. The Site Council goes out of their way to accomodate people, surely the photographer can match their effort by finding a way to communicate the situation to them.
 05/29/2005 02:48:16 PM · #24
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by sofapez:
Just my 2 cents, but not everybody has access to an internet cafe. Here we just got our 1st a month ago.

Perhaps tho; most of us do know someone else who uses the internet whether or not they are DPCer's, most folks wouldn't mind their friend or relative using their connection to chk their email or challenge info, and uplaod an image if needed. If it is a concern, wouldn't it be more space saving to add an emergency email address to the pref. pg in case someone goes black or is on vacation. Who knows this could result in even more registered users and or members.


You are absolutely right in that not everyone would have access to an Internet cafe; however, the point that I was responding to was a situation where one was available but not utilized.

You also have a good idea about having a friend/relative check and upload, but wouldn't that require that the friend/relative actually have the original file to send on your behalf? How would they get that? You'd probably have to physically bring it over (and then why wouldn't they just let you borrow their computer) unless you e-mailed it to them in advance. This wouldn't be likely in the event of an unexpected internet connection interruption.
I realize I might have sounded harsh, but in the case of an individual unexpected Internet access issue (unlike going on vacation in the middle of nowhere) I'm hard pressed to believe that the photographer can't find someone or some business with a working Internet connection to borrow or use. The Site Council goes out of their way to accomodate people, surely the photographer can match their effort by finding a way to communicate the situation to them.

I think I am pretty much agreeing with you (yes, it did sound harsh). Most of us can burn a 150mg file to disk and take it somewhere... you'd have to do that at an internet cafe anyway. If I were going on vacation, under my suggested condition, I would supply the image to my alternate contact in advance. Realize, most people would not be as diligent in doing the required as the image author, but it is a simple fix.
 05/29/2005 05:15:41 PM · #25
Originally posted by A1275:
Just my own humble opinion, but I think it is the responsibility of the photographer to upload proof in a timely manner. If the photographer can't be bothered to go to an Internet cafe, I don't see why DPC should be bothered to reverse a DQ.


That's fine, if I know proof is required. If I don't know, I can't do it. Another thing, in South Africa there aren't that many Internet cafes around. For some strange reason a lot of them seem to have closed down.

Edit: Not to go on with this any longer, it's not a case of whether I can be bothered or not. The fact of the matter is that there is life beyond dpchallenge and, when my phone wasn't working, I wasn't going to spend my time running around trying to find someone who would lend me their Internet access (which works out really expensive in South Africa) just in case there was a problem here. But I would hate to have an unnecessary DQ on my record through no fault of my own, especially if it was a ribbon winner (if I should ever be so lucky).

Somehow some of the comments in this thread seem to be lacking in understanding of the fact that life on the Internet is more difficult for some than it is for the majority. If I really wanted to start grumbling about my slow dial-up, I could probably write many pages.

Message edited by author 2005-05-29 17:47:42.
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