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06/07/2005 12:01:09 AM · #26 |
Vote down! After all, why have challenge topics...
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06/07/2005 12:05:21 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by rgo:
Enigmatically and eloquently phrased. I'd add one thing. That there is nothing more ironic than "It's a beautiful shot, but it doesn't meet the challenge. <4>" |
I think overall the voters are harsh here. But regardless, getting the above comment, assuming you can explain the connection to the challenge, is a legitimate reason to PM the commenter. I have had it happen both ways and it can be helpful to be able to explain, or get an explanation.
The comment i want to see one day:
It's an average shot but meets the challenge <8>
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06/07/2005 12:19:25 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by DebN2003:
I'm talking about blatantly not following the theme. For example if the challenge is: "take a picture of a shoe" and someone submits a picture of the moon -- how would that even begin to meet the challenge? |
You never heard of the gambling farrier? Every time he played Hearts he shoed the moon ...
Not to mention that one of the most famous photos of a footprint is that one in moon dust ... |
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06/08/2005 06:05:55 PM · #29 |
I have misunderstood some of the assignments.
If I can't connect the photo to the assignment I look for some idea why the entry was made. B is my approach. |
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06/08/2005 11:50:26 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by rayg544:
Someone on another thread said they gave a 10 to the person who shot their lens cover because of the title. That means he probably scored that higher than some folks who went out and actually TRIED to do well and shoot the topic! I just don't understand that - and please don't say it's my opinion. |
it's my vote, it's my opinion.
If you dont like it, complain all you want. That wont change anything.
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06/09/2005 12:33:15 AM · #31 |
If I were a marketing executive or a newspaper editor, and I sent 20 people out on the street to get me a cover shot for the topic 'Rage: The New Millenium Plague', I would expect my phototgraphers to come back to me with a visual representation of Rage under that context and if they did return with a picture of a rose or a dog, or a car accident scene, no matter how good the image, do you really think I'm going to use it as my cover or ad?
Depending on the level of execution, those images that make me think of Rage, are going to score higher with me, those that have flaws, will be rejected and those who just didn't communicate well, might be given another chance, but those who obviously blew off the assignment expecting me to even consider their image, would be on the street packing if they tried to sell me on the merits of how much that rose had in common with the assignment.
My Opinion Follows - This is how I vote...
1 is something that should be used on images that blatently don't fit the challenge and have no technical merit at all, or fit the challenge, but are so poorly shot that they should have been deleted instead of processed.
4 is the best of quality images that one of my freelancers brought back, but will have to be used on next weeks cover, it's just that astounding but it's not my Rage cover. Other images may be here for having solid challenge concepts, but very poor composition.
5 is the average run of the mill, technically OK, challenge-centric image.
6 better concepts, technically maybe some slight flaws.
9 Darn well could be the cover if I have other articles that might fit into its theme.
10 - Dead on. Screams Rage universally (at least to me ;-) and is so professionally composed/processed that it is my cover. I may just decide to print a series of covers for the people who actually might collect the mag/ad.
That's how I vote. And I try like crazy to make sure that I comment on any image below 4. I owe that to the artist.
Message edited by author 2005-06-09 00:36:16.
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06/09/2005 12:53:59 AM · #32 |
The challenge topics are not a d***ed photojournalism assignment. They are an assignment to "Creatively interpret [insert topic]" -- this site is/should be about inspiring creativity and experimentation in photography.
I for one am starting to get offended by people always wanting to narrow the range of ways others interpret any given topic. It says to me that people feel like they are wasting their time looking at my photo if it does not fit their idea of the challenge topic.
We have a voting scale for a reason. We have relatively flexible topics (most of the time) for a reason. If we were a business, trying to sell a certain kind of photo, we'd be right to insist that the employees shoot photos "to spec" -- but as a worldwide forum for people to submit and comment on photos, I think we should strive to reward and not stifle creativity.
If you don't like a particular photo, vote it down, but please don't challenge the photographer's right to submit it. |
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06/09/2005 01:00:13 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Arcanist:
If I were a marketing executive or a newspaper editor, and I sent 20 people out on the street to get me a cover shot for the topic 'Rage: The New Millenium Plague', I would expect my phototgraphers to come back to me with a visual representation of Rage under that context and if they did return with a picture of a rose or a dog, or a car accident scene, no matter how good the image, do you really think I'm going to use it as my cover or ad? |
no, but i'll bet that the photographer that shot the photo of the rose would soon have a great shot for "Rage" as soon as the editor sees it. :P |
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06/09/2005 01:01:52 AM · #34 |
Close my eyes and throw a dart....
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06/09/2005 06:19:10 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I think overall the voters are harsh here. But regardless, getting the above comment, assuming you can explain the connection to the challenge, is a legitimate reason to PM the commenter. I have had it happen both ways and it can be helpful to be able to explain, or get an explanation. ... |
With all due respect to your opinion Prof_Fate, mine is directly opposed. If an entry needs an explanation, beyond the image itself and it's title, to make the voter understand how it fits the topic, then it has failed. I don't believe there is ever a legitimate reason for two-way communication between voter and submitter while the voter can change their vote.
Given an opportunity to explain, almost any image can be rationalized into fitting the topic. Just look at the post immediately following yours. DebN tried to come up with an extreme example to illustrate something that blatently DNMC but GeneralL found a way to make it seem like it fits. You might as well not have one if you are going to let people explain their way into fitting the topic during voting.
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If there is no way that you can possibly see that an entry might
possibly fit the challenge, vote it down harshly.
Same for the ones that are shoe-horned in only by virtue of their title. These are sometimes a case of the photog knowing that it doesn't fit but hoping to snow the voters to get a high score with a clever title and/or an attractive picture. Vote `em down harshly.
If it fits by a severe stretch, you can see the connection but it is very weak at best, or one that you can see but don't agree with entirely, vote it down a little.
If at first glance you don't think it fits but your eyes are opened when you read the title, as in "Oh yes, now I see the connection.", give it the benefit of the doubt and vote it normally.
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06/09/2005 07:22:03 AM · #36 |
well beat me up if you will...if i see a photo of a lets say an orange and the challenge is for pears it gets a 1....even if it is the best photo of an orange ever taken....too many people try really hard to get a photo to fit the challenge...why should the photo of the orange finish ahead of a semi decent phot of an pear
as far as titles go I vote without looking at them...at least for the first 3 times through....once everyting is where i think it should be i then read them...i have never changed a photo after reading the title...
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06/09/2005 08:25:22 AM · #37 |
| Photos that does not meet the challenge in any way does not get more than 3 from me. The ones that meet the challenge gets 3 and above depending on the aesthetics. |
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06/09/2005 09:35:50 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
If at first glance you don't think it fits but your eyes are opened when you read the title, as in "Oh yes, now I see the connection.", give it the benefit of the doubt and vote it normally. |
I would think that a photo which lets you see something you'd never seen, or understand something in a new way, is a most "successful" artistic endeavor, and would get your highest vote (as far as topicality). |
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06/09/2005 09:45:41 AM · #39 |
I knock about 2 points off and rate it....
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