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05/21/2005 10:53:57 AM · #1
Hi everyone,
Does anyone have an "Ultrasharp" LCD panels that Dell is advertising?
They say that is has higher resolution for better photo editing.
I've a Dell 17inch LCD panel and am wondering if upgrading to a 17inch Ultrasharp version will make any difference.
Thanks
05/21/2005 11:04:00 AM · #2
Just marketing hype. I looked at the 19" version, it's only 1280x1024, so the resolution is lower than my 15" laptop screen. I fail to see how this qualifies as "Ultra Sharp."
05/21/2005 11:04:09 AM · #3
What are the stats on these Dell LCDs?

If you are in the market for a new LCD, there's quite a few more models and manufacturers out there, besides Dell. (Who really only repackages someone else's LCD monitor.)

Sony, for instance, has a phenomonal XBrite line of LCD monitors with a 600:1 Contrast ratio, 8ms refresh (on the 17" model) and to me it provides an exceptional image that I have seen on no other LCD monitor.

All for $450 USD. I picked one up recently and I gotta say, it's the best monitor I have ever owned.
05/21/2005 11:09:27 AM · #4
Originally posted by kirbic:

Just marketing hype. I looked at the 19" version, it's only 1280x1024, so the resolution is lower than my 15" laptop screen. I fail to see how this qualifies as "Ultra Sharp."


I was looking at the Dell 19inich ultra sharp and the Samsung's 17 inch model, I think they are all 1280x1024. The Samsung is a 1000:1 contrast ratio according to CDNET.com. They say it make a small difference but if you are right probably more marketing hype than anything. Maybe I should just keep my current 2.5 year old Dell 17in LCD.
05/21/2005 11:41:44 AM · #5
I have the 19" Dell, the 1901 or so (two of them) and they are very nice. I just bought the newer 1905 for $300 using coupons too.

The larger screen Dells look very good too. I believe these are all made by Samsung (I know the one I have is).
05/21/2005 11:43:06 AM · #6
Originally posted by Nelzie:

What are the stats on these Dell LCDs?

If you are in the market for a new LCD, there's quite a few more models and manufacturers out there, besides Dell. (Who really only repackages someone else's LCD monitor.)

Sony, for instance, has a phenomonal XBrite line of LCD monitors with a 600:1 Contrast ratio, 8ms refresh (on the 17" model) and to me it provides an exceptional image that I have seen on no other LCD monitor.

All for $450 USD. I picked one up recently and I gotta say, it's the best monitor I have ever owned.


I have the Sony 19" at home now, and the Dell at work. The Dell is acceptable, even good, but the Sony just makes anything else look weak.
05/21/2005 12:00:34 PM · #7
I have a 19" SONY and it's ok, nothing more.. I also have the 23" Apple HD Cinema Display wich I use for photoediting.. there's only one LCD better.. the 30" Apple HD Cinema Display ;)

to upgrade from a 17"DELL to a 17"DELL sounds pretty dumb.. same resolution, same screensize, same crap...

you'd be better off spending a little more an get a used 20" Apple HD or a new one for $900 :)
05/21/2005 12:00:37 PM · #8
I bought the Dell Ultrasharp 20.1" WS 2005FPW yesterday online with an estimated ship time next thurday so I'll get back to you on quality.

I took a chance with out seeing it, because one is was highly rated in several online comparisions and two I found two discount codes at Dealmac.com that dropped the price from $749 to less than $400 and free shipping. Unforutunaly I live in one of a handful of states that dell charges sales tax. My mac will be quite happy next week.

Specs..
Image Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Image Brightness: 300 cd/m²
Image Contrast Ratio: 600:1
Max Resolution: 1680x1050 Pixels

I also like dual computer imputs and s-video imputs with picture in picture and side by side picture.

05/21/2005 12:34:52 PM · #9
Originally posted by DanSig:

I have a 19" SONY and it's ok, nothing more..


Which Sony are you talking about? They have had something like 3 or 4 different 19" LCDs available with different specs at the same time for the past few years.

They have the low-end stuff you will find in Best Buy, they have the middling end stuff you might find at a straight Computer Shop and they have the higher end line that you might find only online or in a Sony Style store...

That 19" Sony LCD you have, might be one of the lower end models and simply be "okay". The 17" version that I picked up was purchased at a place called Microcenter, as far as PC stores go, they carry everything from the low-end to the high-end and also have a significant Mac section, on par with some of the local Mall Apple stores in my area.

When I was browsing around, looking at the displays, the Sony model I picked up and the Apple model LCDs were only significantly different in price. The visual capabilities were, to my eyes, impossible to tell apart. Granted, the Apple did have a higher potential resolution, but 1280x1024 is more then perfect for my needs.
05/21/2005 12:45:46 PM · #10
Originally posted by yido:

I've a Dell 17inch LCD panel and am wondering if upgrading to a 17inch Ultrasharp version will make any difference.

You may want to read this post of mine. A similar question about LCD specs was asked a few days ago, and I'm of the opinion that the most important factor when considering an LCD is the technology of the panel itself... not response time, contrast ratio, etc... especially if you care about your colors.

Like most 17" and smaller LCDs, the Dell UltraSharp uses a 6-bit TN+Film panel, so definitely not worth the "upgrade" in my opinion from a photo editing standpoint.

hyperfocal... good choice! For what it's worth, the Dell 2005FPW uses the exact same LG.Philips LM201W01 S-IPS-type panel that Apple uses in its 20" Cinema Display (comparative review here). And if you read my earlier post, you know that S-IPS panels offer the best color accuracy of the four commonly available matrices.

Be careful just using model numbers for comparison though. The Dell 1905FP has used several different panels, so model number isn't always enough to know what technology is used in a panel. Some 1905's have an AUO M190EN03 MVA-type panel, some have a Samsung LTM190E4-L02 PVA-type panel...

Message edited by author 2005-05-21 12:57:55.
05/21/2005 02:47:03 PM · #11
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by yido:

I've a Dell 17inch LCD panel and am wondering if upgrading to a 17inch Ultrasharp version will make any difference.

You may want to read this post of mine. A similar question about LCD specs was asked a few days ago, and I'm of the opinion that the most important factor when considering an LCD is the technology of the panel itself... not response time, contrast ratio, etc... especially if you care about your colors.

Like most 17" and smaller LCDs, the Dell UltraSharp uses a 6-bit TN+Film panel, so definitely not worth the "upgrade" in my opinion from a photo editing standpoint.

hyperfocal... good choice! For what it's worth, the Dell 2005FPW uses the exact same LG.Philips LM201W01 S-IPS-type panel that Apple uses in its 20" Cinema Display (comparative review here). And if you read my earlier post, you know that S-IPS panels offer the best color accuracy of the four commonly available matrices.

Be careful just using model numbers for comparison though. The Dell 1905FP has used several different panels, so model number isn't always enough to know what technology is used in a panel. Some 1905's have an AUO M190EN03 MVA-type panel, some have a Samsung LTM190E4-L02 PVA-type panel...


Thanks, that's good information. But then how do you identify the LCD type before or after sale?
05/21/2005 03:39:30 PM · #12
Originally posted by Nelzie:

Originally posted by DanSig:

I have a 19" SONY and it's ok, nothing more..


Which Sony are you talking about? They have had something like 3 or 4 different 19" LCDs available with different specs at the same time for the past few years.

They have the low-end stuff you will find in Best Buy, they have the middling end stuff you might find at a straight Computer Shop and they have the higher end line that you might find only online or in a Sony Style store...

That 19" Sony LCD you have, might be one of the lower end models and simply be "okay". The 17" version that I picked up was purchased at a place called Microcenter, as far as PC stores go, they carry everything from the low-end to the high-end and also have a significant Mac section, on par with some of the local Mall Apple stores in my area.

When I was browsing around, looking at the displays, the Sony model I picked up and the Apple model LCDs were only significantly different in price. The visual capabilities were, to my eyes, impossible to tell apart. Granted, the Apple did have a higher potential resolution, but 1280x1024 is more then perfect for my needs.


I have the SONY SDM-HS93 19" LCD, it's ok for games etc. but not even close to the Apple HD for photo editing
05/23/2005 11:59:03 AM · #13
Originally posted by DanSig:


I have the SONY SDM-HS93 19" LCD, it's ok for games etc. but not even close to the Apple HD for photo editing


That's correct, that Sony 19" you have has specs quite a bit beneath the current higher end Apple HD LCDs.

The Sony SDM-HS75P/B that I own has specs in between the 19" Sony LCD you have and the Apple HD Displays, which, the only benefit I see is that they are still physically larger and capable of running at a higher resolution. My 17" Sony does have a higher Brightness and a higher Contrast then the Apple HD LCDs.

Personally, I find it very acceptable for photo editing. Especially, if one is slightly price conscious.
05/25/2005 12:02:04 AM · #14
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Thanks, that's good information. But then how do you identify the LCD type before or after sale?

Hi Neil. Sorry for not replying sooner. I don't have as much time to "hang out" on DPC as I used to.

It is definitely tricky to determine the panel type -- it is very frequently not listed as part of the specs. Sometimes you can get lucky and google for the "retail" model number and find a discussion where somebody has opened one up, gotten the "panel model number" off the matrix inside (only a few manufacturers actually make the panels, but they are packaged/branded by LOTS of companies) and then checked the panel manufacturer's web site for details and posted their findings.

If you can see the monitor in person, you can tell an S-IPS panel by looking at a large solid black area -- if you look at it from an extreme side angle, that black area will have a slight violet hue to it. This is a "giveaway" that it is an IPS-type panel. TN panels are also very easy to identify in person. When viewed from below, they exhibit a strong darkening of the image, especially at the top. This is a unique characteristic of TN+Film panels. Based on this info, MVA or PVA (which are similar technologies) panels can usually be identified by the lack of either of the above "tells".

Sorry I can't provide a more exacting answer! Once you've seen the above tells in person (TN panels darkening when you look at them from below and the violet hue seen in the blacks when looking at an IPS panel at an extreme horizontal off-axis view), it makes a little more sense.

Message edited by author 2005-05-25 00:03:59.
05/25/2005 01:27:15 AM · #15
Thanks Eddy--I'll test a few of the LCDs I have here!
05/25/2005 03:31:23 AM · #16
Apple screens tech specs

[url=//store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/73101/wo/9H780LfHAOZx25BIJ7H297GBIIa/0.0.11.1.0.6.23.1.6.1.3.0.0.1.0
]Apple screen prices[/url]

This may help re specs and pricing for Apple screens (start at $799 on Apple store) - they will plug into PCs - the high end guy needs a high end video card (see sight) -- and yes they are very nice for photography!
Graham
05/25/2005 03:32:42 AM · #17
[url=[url=//store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/73101/wo/9H780LfHAOZx25BIJ7H297GBIIa/0.0.11.1.0.6.23.1.6.1.3.0.0.1.0
]Apple screen prices[/url] ]Apple screen prices[/url]

sorry - the link to pricing...

Graham
05/25/2005 03:33:22 AM · #18
oops missed again... you get the idea..

Graham
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