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 04/21/2003 07:07:36 PM · #26
Maybe we just need a new rule that says all flag photos have to get a minimum score of a 5... i think that would solve the problem.
 04/21/2003 07:09:05 PM · #27
Mr. Setzler,
As per usual you have summed it up. I'd only add one thing:
To all,
Please think twice about using the word "hate"; it's vile, and I'm sure not at all what you really mean.
 04/21/2003 07:12:19 PM · #28
I agree with John Setzler on this one. All this "troll bashing" just means that poor Greggen and whoever else it's pointed toward will just not make comments anymore. PEople will only comment if they have good things to say.
At first I thought that everybody should only give good comments, and that it was important to do that, but now I don't. The fact that somebody will leave such a harsh comment means that well, they REALLY don't like that photo, and if they went through the time to say so, why can't you just take it, realize that the subject is controversial and move on? Why can't you just do that?
Do people in america only have free speech if they agree with you?
-Da
 04/21/2003 07:22:44 PM · #29
Originally posted by Annida:
Do people in america only have free speech if they agree with you?
-Da


You'd be surprised. Ever hear of McCarthyism? HUAC?

Pardon me while I don my "pinky" underpants.

Martin
who is not currently affiliated with the Communist party
Upton Sinclair
or Karl Marx
but is getting tired of thinly-disguised nationalism.
 04/21/2003 07:23:47 PM · #30
First I want to point out that last week I did not at anytime name the person who made the comment, he openly came out this morning by starting this thead. That being said I would really like to say I read in another thread today....

"When cases like that come to our attention they are dealt with accordingly. It's a fine line, really. A person is perfectly allowed to not like a particular subject... it's when they structure their votes to push an agenda that it becomes a problem."

Would it not be pushing an anti-American agenda to vote every flag photo a 1. I am pretty sure if you checked my photo last week with the 21 ones and the other one which had a total of 29 ones you would find that a large number of those were the exact same people voting them down just because it was the US Flag. I would almost say that I would wager that most of them are from the same region of the world.
 04/21/2003 07:24:18 PM · #31
Why don't you just accept that a flag photo will get 1's and not submit a flag photo?
 04/21/2003 07:27:36 PM · #32
Originally posted by Konador:
Why don't you just accept that a flag photo will get 1's and not submit a flag photo?


Because I really didn't think that there were so many people who couldn't judge a photo for more than just the subject but I guess I found out this week that there are a lot of people who just don't take the time to look past the subject and take other things into account.
 04/21/2003 07:31:03 PM · #33
i also dont think that someone should be bullied in their choice of subject matter.


04/21/2003 07:34:40 PM · #34
I don't think it should either, but it happens. Nothing is gonna be able to change it either. Best thing to do is to learn how to avoid them.
 04/21/2003 07:35:47 PM · #35
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
"... it's when they structure their votes to push an agenda that it becomes a problem."


wouldn't this also be true of people who submit if they submitted a photo to push an agenda? It could be any agenda, not only the flag..
 04/21/2003 07:40:25 PM · #36
Thing is my flag photo was not to push any agenda it was cleary a flag blowing in the wind, and wind is a weather condition ask any weather forecaster, Willard Scott made a living talking about windy Chicago so if I am wrong please tell me wind isn't a weather condition. Heck tell aol cause that is in my weather forecast right now winds wsw at 5 to 10 mph.
 04/21/2003 07:45:46 PM · #37
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:


Would it not be pushing an anti-American agenda to vote every flag photo a 1. I am pretty sure if you checked my photo last week with the 21 ones and the other one which had a total of 29 ones you would find that a large number of those were the exact same people voting them down just because it was the US Flag. I would almost say that I would wager that most of them are from the same region of the world.


I'm American, I live in Canada and love Canada and the U.S. I like this site (dpchallenge) for the opportunity it gives me to learn and to grow as a digital photographer. I don't think it serves the site's purposes to argue and get mad at each other the way this thread is going.

People have their opinions, and feelins are running high now. Maybe it's time to stop.

~Ursula
 04/21/2003 07:47:16 PM · #38
What I find funny about that photo (and MANY others) is that the photographer only marks helpful the comments that are nice.. Funny.

I found neither flag photo very inspiring and they both got 3s from me.



Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I decided to check out what remarks were made about this photo and how many ones were given to it...

//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=17719

Even more ones than my photo. I never complained about the negative comments being made last week I complained that someone would make the comment that starting this week all American flag photos were getting a 1, which just isn't fair to anyone.
 04/21/2003 07:52:45 PM · #39
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Thing is my flag photo was not to push any agenda it was cleary a flag blowing in the wind, and wind is a weather condition ask any weather forecaster, Willard Scott made a living talking about windy Chicago so if I am wrong please tell me wind isn't a weather condition. Heck tell aol cause that is in my weather forecast right now winds wsw at 5 to 10 mph.


Look, this is just getting ridiculous. It's fairly obvious that wind is a weather condition, but that's not the point in contention. You believe your photo was marked down for being an American flag, and you picked as a scapegoat one particularly vocal commenter to garner some sympathy and anger. And you're right, it was. Your photo is a cliche, and an extremely exhausted one at this point in our history.

And listen: the flag is an icon, not the Sprit of America or anysuch nonesense. If people are tired of the flag, that doesn't mean they're tired of America - just of seeing a three-hundred-year-old symbol plastered to every supersized vehicle on the road, on every cable news channel, and above every American-made-car dealership. I know several loyal Catholics who find graphic depictions of Jesus on the crucifix a bit grotesque, but they are still loyal Catholics. Please distinguish the symbol from what it stands for and understand that there are less tired ways of communicating an emotion, an idea, or a political statement. A little creativity, combined with the photographic skills you already exhibit, might help your scoring considerably.

And I hope one of the senators pushing the flag-burning amendment reads this.

Martin
 04/21/2003 07:52:51 PM · #40
Maybe both flags got so many ones because you came on here Monday whining and blatently discussing the current challenge (ALSO against the RULES) and people decided to teach you a lesson? There were two flags, so they gave ones to both of em. So, by throwing a tantrum, you in effect also ruined the other photographer's score.

Yeah, you didn't name him, but once the contest ended, we saw who made the comment, right??


Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
First I want to point out that last week I did not at anytime name the person who made the comment, he openly came out this morning by starting this thead. That being said I would really like to say I read in another thread today....

"When cases like that come to our attention they are dealt with accordingly. It's a fine line, really. A person is perfectly allowed to not like a particular subject... it's when they structure their votes to push an agenda that it becomes a problem."

Would it not be pushing an anti-American agenda to vote every flag photo a 1. I am pretty sure if you checked my photo last week with the 21 ones and the other one which had a total of 29 ones you would find that a large number of those were the exact same people voting them down just because it was the US Flag. I would almost say that I would wager that most of them are from the same region of the world.
 04/21/2003 08:02:23 PM · #41
Actually, I had a flag photo, in the color challenge and got similar results. It was not a great photo, but probably did not deserve the 1's and 2's either (most photo's that get 1's and 2's and even 3's do not deserve the low scores). I did get more comments on that photo then any other photo i submitted. most of them were positive.



but who's complaining.



04/21/2003 08:13:08 PM · #42
Originally posted by joebar:


Yeah, you didn't name him, but once the contest ended, we saw who made the comment, right??


Unlike him I did not once mention his name in the previous thread. It was his choice to come out and admit he made the comment. I really didn't appreciate his comment at the beginning of the thread directed at me, when I NEVER once mentioned his name last week.

As for discussing challenges, HELLO, it happens every week I even said if you didn't like it last week to request that my photo be disqualified I would have rather been disqualified. I have heard from so many others privately who in the past had flag photos and they all got in excess of 20 ones, so the thread last week had nothing to do with it. It happens with flag photos that people just vote it a 1 cause it is a flag! Which really isn't fair.


Originally posted by STEINR:
Actually, I had a flag photo, in the color challenge and got similar results. It was not a great photo, but probably did not deserve the 1's and 2's either (most photo's that get 1's and 2's and even 3's do not deserve the low scores). I did get more comments on that photo then any other photo i submitted. most of them were positive.



but who's complaining.


Thanks for pointing that out cause I took a look at your flag and you had 20 ones also =o) Does that not say something? There are at least 20 people voting down American Flag photos simply cause they are the American flag and that definately says to me someone has an agenda!

Message edited by author 2003-04-21 20:13:55.
 04/21/2003 08:26:25 PM · #43
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Unlike him I did not once mention his name in the previous thread. It was his choice to come out and admit he made the comment. flag and that definately says to me someone has an agenda!



You dont get it do ya... By POSTING what the "COMMENTER" said and starting an attack in the forum (even WITHOUT mentioning his name), today we still find out who it was because we can now link the comment with the name next to it! Even if he didn't come out and admit it, we'd still know who it was.. sheesh.

Here, look at this.....
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=13082

Taken less than two months ago... Flag photo.... No ONES. Why? Because it was a good, interesting photo, not a boring snapshot.
04/21/2003 08:27:04 PM · #44
Originally posted by Sonifo:
... I think the purpose for this sight was to get better at photography and not really judge people on their subjects to the point of giving them a 1 because you didn't care for it. ...


i disagree - i DO think that that's a noble goal, and that if you don't take the voting too seriously you CAN learn quite a bit here

but if the purpose if the site was to get better at photography, the voting process would be dropped - replaced with a free-form technical-critique system that might sound alot like some of the comments you're probably already getting ~~~ "too dark", "nice DOF", "too busy", "great composition" -- and maybe even "if we were voting on this, i'd give it a 7"

but the site is set up SPECIFICALLY to post pictures and count votes - votes on a 1-10 scale - so we must consider ALL of the aspects of our entries that affect the voting - lighting, composition, color, focus, etc --- PLUS subject matter

as many of us have found out the hard way, unpleasant/traditionally taboo/politically incorrect subjects don't score as well as the "popular" subjects, regardless of the technical aspects --- this is just one of the facts-of-life on this site --- it isn't going to go away anytime soon

if you're bothered by this, you simply have to adjust your perspective to accomodate the mentality of the group ~~ everyone has buttons to push - figure out what it takes to get your fingers on the ones you intend on pushing
 04/21/2003 08:28:59 PM · #45
John, I mean no harm, but if that was your photo, you would have got upset to. It seems people just do to much complaining about cliche shots.

I think they should try it themselves and see how pretty and nice they can be.

I guess it is just me, because I just don't understand it!!??
 04/21/2003 08:42:16 PM · #46
Originally posted by joebar:


Here, look at this.....
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=13082

Taken less than two months ago... Flag photo.... No ONES. Why? Because it was a good, interesting photo, not a boring snapshot.


No ones cause it was pre Iraqi Invasion. I will now say this I did not support the troops, I wasn't infavor of the war, but gee does that mean I can not take a flag photo? I would hope people would be mature enough to vote on its entire merit and not just vote a 1 in anti-American sentiments.
 04/21/2003 08:42:32 PM · #47
Of course no one thinks that their photo deserves a one. If you think your own photo deserves a one and you're still submitting it, damn you for wasting the time of everyone else on this site. But that being said, one is still on the voting scale. It can be used. AND, it can be used FOR ANY REASON. The voting isn't split into categories...a certain number of points for technical, some for creativity, etc. If I want to give you a one because I think the subject is dumb, because you whined in the forums and gave the title of your photo during a challenge, because it's the ugliest photo I've ever seen...whatever. And the thing is, no amount of whining in the forums is going to change that. You can call everyone "close minded," you can beg to have a single vote removed...the fact is, nothing is going to change. People aren't going to start voting based on what you want. People don't really care what you think your photo deserves and if that's what you really want people to base their votes on, then it's not really a vote at all...post your pictures on your own site and don't allow comments.

Edited to say: stop telling people their reason for voting a certain way. It's even more closed-minded to assume that you know everyone's reason for acting.

Message edited by author 2003-04-21 20:43:50.
 04/21/2003 08:45:09 PM · #48
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
No ones cause it was pre Iraqi Invasion. I will now say this I did not support the troops, I wasn't infavor of the war, but gee does that mean I can not take a flag photo? I would hope people would be mature enough to vote on its entire merit and not just vote a 1 in anti-American sentiments.


I knew there would be an excuse.. Now you're blaming President Bush for your 1's.. (joke, dont bother)

HOW DO YOU KNOW that all your 1's are from anti-Americans, or people who disliked the subject matter -- all from one voter's comment?


Maybe it's not the subject, but the photographer? You do have your share of last place finishes, no?


dank you, come again!




Message edited by author 2003-04-21 20:48:36.
 04/21/2003 08:53:39 PM · #49
WILL THERE EVER BE A THREAD WHERE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK FREELY, THAT WILL BE DEVOID ON PUT DOWNS AND INSULTS?
 04/21/2003 08:56:22 PM · #50
JOEBAR might I ask what I ever did to you and why you keep attacking me over and over in the forum? You did it last week and you are doing it again.

If you think it is fair for someone to vote a one on a photo just because they don't like the subject matter fine. That was all I was saying last week and again this week I am still saying it isn't fair to be voted a one just because someone doesn't like a subject matter! There is more to a photo than just the subject there is technical merit also.
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