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04/21/2003 01:01:50 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by mavrik:
Note to admins: clearly define your challenges. This is OBVIOUSLY a problem. Pi, color (b/ws), flora, fauna... |
You would rather have the admins narrow the challenge down as much as possible rather than just a few people in the forums?
The problem isn't the challenge definitions, it's the people micro-analysing every word so that only their particular interpretation fits. |
Additionally, I'd guess that a great many site participants don't read these forums, and are completelly unaffected by WHATEVER's said here...I think the more variety in the way people interpret the challenge the better...some people seem to be taking this more like bidding on a commissioned art project than an exercise in creativity. |
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04/21/2003 01:05:14 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Note to admins: clearly define your challenges. This is OBVIOUSLY a problem. Pi, color (b/ws), flora, fauna... |
Or make it (more) clear that broad interpretations are welcome (mavrik - you forgot natural numbers ;-) |
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04/21/2003 01:07:15 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Note to admins: clearly define your challenges. This is OBVIOUSLY a problem. Pi, color (b/ws), flora, fauna... |
I think clearly defining the subject would take alot away from this, and people's interpretation. Do you want, "Take a picture of a boy, with red hair, green eyes, wearing a Charlie Brown shirt."? That is no fun. Or, "Take a picture of Pi...the symbol of pi, nothing else, and it has to be arranged or set up in a studio setting." BORING!!
The best thing I like about these challenges is that everyone interprets and votes it differently. I am a more natural type, find it-shoot it. I don't like setting things up to make a photo. Other people love doing that. To each their own. Besides, I see these types of forums as more of a way t ovent concerns and aggravations. Tell me you don't feel much better after typing, feverishly, away to beat someone else to a comment? (C:
tracy
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04/21/2003 01:07:53 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Technically Mushroom is not flora, because of the structure (meat) it is a separate specie(more fauna than flora)!But I do like the Mushroom pic in the challenge. |
It is probably best to not address specific images as they are being voted upon...
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04/21/2003 01:15:59 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Besides, I see these types of forums as more of a way t ovent concerns and aggravations. Tell me you don't feel much better after typing, feverishly, away to beat someone else to a comment? (C:
tracy |
Darn, I was just going to say that! ;-) |
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04/21/2003 01:23:01 PM · #56 |
to bod and dacrazyrn - of COURSE I don't want narrow interpretations. I'm one of those idiots who submitted a studio shot. I'm suggesting, with sarcasm, that if the admins post more well-defined instructions, everyone can kiss and make up over this. It just seems to be that every week there's a group who goes against the mainstream and gets slagged for it. EVERY week. Pencil challenge - that's easy. But even Candy had those two girls in it (Eye Candy). At least people USUALLY know when they are stretching the definitions around here.
Flora are plants collectively. That OBVIOUSLY includes flowers - which flowers depends on where you live. It's impossible to tell where someone lives by their studio bg, so how can you POSSIBLY vote down studio shots? What if someone took the same pic outside of their house and the bg was their grey concrete basement wall? Would that same shot garner a 1? I'm sitting at 4.3 with what I think is the best shot I submitted to dpc. It's frustrating that some people are so narrow that only "blue eyed boys wearing yellow shirts with charlie brown on them" will do well.
And yes, someone PM'd me a question - I really did give out 10s to every studio shot and nothing higher than 8 to everything else. So be it.
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04/21/2003 01:38:42 PM · #57 |
a) i also used to argue for more elaborate clear challenge descriptions. however you and i are in the minority on that one, it looks like.
b) what if someone did a studio shot cleverly so it looked outdoors. then you've 'unfairly' given them a bad score.
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04/21/2003 02:12:44 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
And yes, someone PM'd me a question - I really did give out 10s to every studio shot and nothing higher than 8 to everything else. So be it. |
From the rules:
Voting patterns are also automatically monitored. Users whose vote patterns suggest an intent to unfairly disrupt the system will have their votes ignored and may be suspended from site functions.
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DPChallenge also monitors and enforces a strict policy against fraudulent accounts and 'ghost' ballots. Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and ban from the site. Photographs of any participating parties may also be removed from past or current challenges.
Please base your votes on the quality of the image presented, and nothing else.
-Terry
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04/21/2003 02:30:42 PM · #59 |
Mavrik, what would you have had us clarify here? That flora shots had to be taken indoors or outdoors? That would be very silly. One of the reasons we don't write lengthy paragraph descriptions is so that photographers will have room for creativity, something it appears you are not in favor of.
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04/21/2003 02:33:43 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
From the rules:
[i]Voting patterns are also automatically monitored. Users whose vote patterns suggest an intent to unfairly disrupt the system will have their votes ignored and may be suspended from site functions.
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This being the case then I would love to point out that maybe someone should go back and check the pattern of voters giving out 1's to photos containing a certain subject...examples a US Flag, Studio Shots, Portraits of Children and Pets. There is a definate unfairness to the voting on such subject matter but yet those votes continue to count.
How I really wish everyone would just look at the entire photo and vote on the entire composition and not just the subject as to if it appeals to them or not. |
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04/21/2003 02:38:23 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
This being the case then I would love to point out that maybe someone should go back and check the pattern of voters giving out 1's to photos containing a certain subject...examples a US Flag, Studio Shots, Portraits of Children and Pets. There is a definate unfairness to the voting on such subject matter but yet those votes continue to count.
How I really wish everyone would just look at the entire photo and vote on the entire composition and not just the subject as to if it appeals to them or not. |
When cases like that come to our attention they are dealt with accordingly. It's a fine line, really. A person is perfectly allowed to not like a particular subject... it's when they structure their votes to push an agenda that it becomes a problem.
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04/21/2003 02:57:11 PM · #62 |
I might get into trouble here, but here goes anyway, take it, or leave it.....
I am perplexed that there is more concern over a definition and a description than of taking a good photograph. I seem unable to articulate myself well about this which is why I think I'll get into trouble here. I think Lionel thinks I was targeting him with my last post. I wasn't. I was merely trying to get people to see that a good photo is a good photo.. even if it is a flower, or even if it is not. So, if you see a good photo... vote on it. Don't vote it down just because you personally hate flowers or what not, or because you think there are too many.
Flora means plant life.. but flowers happen to be a beautiful and/or colorful part of plant life. Yes, I think more texture could have been photographed.... (shrug)..
but.. not everyone has that available in their areas.... depending on the seasons and what not .. (that is too generalized.. please see what I am trying to say).
I like how DPC inspires people to go out and try.
Now I will vote and comment on their attempts.
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04/21/2003 03:02:23 PM · #63 |
Certanly close up (MACRO) of Flower with small details looks better than busy hillside with many plants,but then why we have challenges on certain subjects? Just let everyone to pick their best shots that week!
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04/21/2003 03:20:00 PM · #64 |
:-) Do not worry Karen :-)
And yes a good photo is a good photo , but at the same time if we have challenges with a theme it's to force people to do things different from what they are used to do right ?
I think these discussion are more discussion that people would do by talking and each time we 'write it' down' it all look probably stronger than intended.
Opinions are like noses , everyone has one. I do not remember who has that here in its signature but that's pretty valid.
So everybody should vote on its own interpretation of the challenge theme and the quality of the picture and weight them the way they want.
After a few weeks ... we all know that we are going to have to face these problems one day or another .
That's a contest anyway ... voters rules ;
Lionel
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04/21/2003 03:37:04 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by lionelm:
And yes a good photo is a good photo , but at the same time if we have challenges with a theme it's to force people to do things different from what they are used to do right ? |
Not necessarily.
You may have become good at photographing something and use a challenge to show off your new found skill, and see if others rate your work as highly.
Or you may have little or no experience of shooting a certain subject, cliche or not, and so take the opportunity to try it out, even if it is the most obvious interpretation.
Originally posted by lionelm:
I think these discussion are more discussion that people would do by talking and each time we 'write it' down' it all look probably stronger than intended. |
Very true.
Originally posted by lionelm:
Opinions are like noses , everyone has one. I do not remember who has that here in its signature but that's pretty valid.
So everybody should vote on its own interpretation of the challenge theme and the quality of the picture and weight them the way they want. |
Agreed. There's too much trying to sway the vote going on nowadays. Discussion before the voting starts is fair enough, but once voting has started it just comes across (to me at least) as thinly disguised whining about scores/pleas for sympathy votes. |
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04/21/2003 04:11:17 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Mavrik, what would you have had us clarify here? That flora shots had to be taken indoors or outdoors? That would be very silly. One of the reasons we don't write lengthy paragraph descriptions is so that photographers will have room for creativity, something it appears you are not in favor of.
Drew |
At least you read my second post before replying. Not.
I'm in favor of the creativity. I was being sarcastic at pitsaman's original post.
CJ - discount my votes any way you want. Just discount all those who are giving all 1s to studio shots as well. All I'm doing different from them is admitting it here. Mine is an attempt at balance, not disruption. My "agenda" is that good photos get good scores.
M
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04/21/2003 04:21:37 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
CJ - discount my votes any way you want. Just discount all those who are giving all 1s to studio shots as well. All I'm doing different from them is admitting it here. Mine is an attempt at balance, not disruption. My "agenda" is that good photos get good scores.
M |
If your agenda is truly to see that good photos get good scores, then vote that way, and let us (the site council/administration) do our jobs. If you become aware of actual attempts at vote-swaying, please use the "contact us" option under the help menu to make the administrators aware of it and give them the opportunity to address it.
Thank you,
-Terry
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04/21/2003 05:46:46 PM · #68 |
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04/21/2003 05:59:07 PM · #69 |
Are insects Fauna? :) i think they are because the animal definition is pretty loose.
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04/21/2003 06:22:04 PM · #70 |
| All this back and forth bickering about definitions and clarifications is really discouraging. Some of you are judging pictures to backlash at other people for taking a certain type of picture. I paid money and became a member to get away from that type of behavour. Everyone needs to just vote on the picture for what it is. If you feel that they took the easy way out and bought a a prop to make their photo then give them the score you think they deserve and tell them why. This should be all self regulating. When someone gets a bad score from you for that reason maybe they will think twice next time. I guarantee that if people continue scoring like they have so far this week, it will drive most of the people who are worth having around - AWAY! |
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04/21/2003 07:16:45 PM · #71 |
cmrk74.. that's sorta what I was trying to say. Everyone is so wrapped up in the definition. I think drew and langdon are doing a good job at coming up with new topics.. giving them a different title I think is supposed to encourage and inspire,.. not perplex..
Don't get so wrapped up in biology lessons.. go get out your cameras. :P
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04/21/2003 07:56:34 PM · #72 |
Fungi may not be plants but they may be flora. If the bacteria in you mouth are the flora of your mouth, then the mushroom in the woods can be part of the flora of the woods. Fungi are neither plants nor animals although they are probably closer to animals. Bacteria are in the animal kingdom (exept for a few), but are considered flora (i.e., flora of you intestines). Now yeast, are probably closer to plants and algae, well, they're plants, but not vascular plants.
General definition:
If it can't get up and walk away, its flora
More specific:
Plants of a specific region (i.e., flora of the Carolinas) |
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04/21/2003 08:10:25 PM · #73 |
there are such things as walking trees....Hmmmmmmm
tracy
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04/21/2003 08:12:41 PM · #74 |
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