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05/07/2005 03:21:51 AM · #1 |
Hello, I'm still quite new to DP challenge, have been a member since about 3 years, but only been active since about 2 months again or so, and just feel a comment regarding anonymous voters is in order.
I find it rather amusing and a little cowardice to leave negative comments that are not necessarily constructive and then hide behind a paper bag!
I thought people around here were a bit more mature than that?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it would be a crime to formulate feedback constructively and with care rather than just lashing out with some subjective [almost aggressive] comment that really doesn't help the photographer in any way. |
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05/07/2005 03:30:21 AM · #2 |
| Having received a shallow comment from a 'sackhead' a few minutes ago as well, I understand where you are coming from. I know it is hard to do, but don't let it get to you. Maybe this is their only way of building self-esteem. ;) |
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05/07/2005 03:38:41 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by willow_zzen:
I find it rather amusing and a little cowardice to leave negative comments that are not necessarily constructive and then hide behind a paper bag! |
I believe the bag comes off after the voting period, so you can find out who left the comment then. Also you can put bags on all commenters' heads during voting if you want. :-)
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05/07/2005 03:40:22 AM · #4 |
| i dunno i think the packet suits some! ;-o |
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05/07/2005 03:47:46 AM · #5 |
| the reason we implimented the anonymous comments feature is because a lot of people did not want to be PMed during voting regarding comments they left. Most importantly, this compromises the anonyminity of the photographer. So, for people who do not want to know who took what photo, they now have the option of concealing who they are, so photographers cannot give away which photo is their during voting. Don't worry...the bag will come off in the end. |
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05/07/2005 06:24:31 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by willow_zzen:
Hello, I'm still quite new to DP challenge, have been a member since about 3 years, but only been active since about 2 months again or so, and just feel a comment regarding anonymous voters is in order.
I find it rather amusing and a little cowardice to leave negative comments that are not necessarily constructive and then hide behind a paper bag!
I thought people around here were a bit more mature than that?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it would be a crime to formulate feedback constructively and with care rather than just lashing out with some subjective [almost aggressive] comment that really doesn't help the photographer in any way. |
Originally posted by risu81:
Having received a shallow comment from a 'sackhead' a few minutes ago as well, I understand where you are coming from. I know it is hard to do, but don't let it get to you. Maybe this is their only way of building self-esteem. ;) |
You are right to complain about a comment that is out of line but the place to do that is by PMing a Site Council member or the administrators. It is not a matter that should be brought up in the forums. We cannot do anything about it, but the SC/admins can, and they will if the comment is truly that bad.
You are wrong to apply derogatory labels like coward, or sackhead, to voters just because they have chosen to take advantage of one of the features the site offers. There is nothing cowardly about supporting anonymity during voting. There is something wrong with you casting despair on all those who have chosen to remain anonymous because of the actions of a single commenter.
Every one comments in their own way. If you can't take a negative comment now and then, perhaps you are too thin-skinned. Grow up and get used to it.
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05/07/2005 08:41:17 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
You are right to complain about a comment that is out of line but the place to do that is by PMing a Site Council member or the administrators. It is not a matter that should be brought up in the forums. We cannot do anything about it, but the SC/admins can, and they will if the comment is truly that bad.
You are wrong to apply derogatory labels like coward, or sackhead, to voters just because they have chosen to take advantage of one of the features the site offers. There is nothing cowardly about supporting anonymity during voting. There is something wrong with you casting despair on all those who have chosen to remain anonymous because of the actions of a single commenter.
Every one comments in their own way. If you can't take a negative comment now and then, perhaps you are too thin-skinned. Grow up and get used to it. |
Well said....I am a bag....not on this particular photo but the reason behind this is that I had too many people pming me to explain their photo before voting was over and felt that was against the spirit of this site.
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05/07/2005 08:59:36 AM · #8 |
You will get all ages and stages commenting on your photos, and 'constructive' is not always in some folks' genetic makeup. The offensive ones you will have to take with a grain of salt. Serious, thoughtful photographers can and will come through for you (case in point, my definately flawed first and only entry thus far was treated more kindly than I geared up for). Aggressive or not, compliment yourself that you at least stirred up some strong emotion of some sort :)
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05/07/2005 09:22:20 AM · #9 |
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05/07/2005 09:58:05 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
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Haha. That a self portrait?
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05/07/2005 10:05:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
You are wrong to apply derogatory labels like coward, or sackhead, to voters just because they have chosen to take advantage of one of the features the site offers.
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If you can't take a negative comment now and then, perhaps you are too thin-skinned. Grow up and get used to it. |
Let me guess, you're a sack-head, right? See, I agree with the original poster. I think those that use the bags are cowards and afraid. If you have something to say, then say it...don't hide behind a bag and wait for voting to end before showing your face in the hopes that it will pass and you'll be looked over at that point.
Not to mention, that's his opinion -- telling him he's *wrong* for sharing his opinion is wrong. You can agree or disagree all you want, but this board and the people here, as voluntary as membership is, have always been for the freedom of speech and sharing your opinion.
Maybe you're the one who needs to grow up and get used to people saying how they feel. Unfortunately, this place (or the world, for that matter) cannot be catered to your individual taste -- people are going to say things you're not going to agree with...but telling each one of those people to grow up, that they're thin-skinned, and wrong probably isn't the best way to go about living your life.
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05/07/2005 10:11:26 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by coolhar:
You are wrong to apply derogatory labels like coward, or sackhead, to voters just because they have chosen to take advantage of one of the features the site offers.
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If you can't take a negative comment now and then, perhaps you are too thin-skinned. Grow up and get used to it. |
Let me guess, you're a sack-head, right? See, I agree with the original poster. I think those that use the bags are cowards and afraid. If you have something to say, then say it...don't hide behind a bag and wait for voting to end before showing your face in the hopes that it will pass and you'll be looked over at that point.
Not to mention, that's his opinion -- telling him he's *wrong* for sharing his opinion is wrong. You can agree or disagree all you want, but this board and the people here, as voluntary as membership is, have always been for the freedom of speech and sharing your opinion.
Maybe you're the one who needs to grow up and get used to people saying how they feel. Unfortunately, this place (or the world, for that matter) cannot be catered to your individual taste -- people are going to say things you're not going to agree with...but telling each one of those people to grow up, that they're thin-skinned, and wrong probably isn't the best way to go about living your life. |
Yea and if you say something as a joke and one of those thin-skinned bast*rds get offended get ready to have SC or the admins to delete your post. There is NO freedom of speech on this site. Its ALL monitored.
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05/07/2005 10:28:36 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by notonline:
There is NO freedom of speech on this site. Its ALL monitored. |
I agree, it's all monitored -- but if you're disagreeing with me, maybe you didn't read my post...
"but this board and the people here, as voluntary as membership is, have always been for the freedom of speech and sharing your opinion"
What I'm saying is that this place has always stood up for sharing your opinion -- so just because the original poster thinks those people with bags over their faces are cowards, it's not going to get deleted. I was making a point that coolhar shouldn't just be calling people wrong for expressing their freedom of speech.
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05/07/2005 10:33:16 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by notonline:
Yea and if you say something as a joke and one of those thin-skinned bast*rds get offended get ready to have SC or the admins to delete your post. There is NO freedom of speech on this site. Its ALL monitored. |
I think you're mistaking freedom of speech with the freedom to be offensive. There's plenty of the former here, and rightly so, there's little leeway for the latter on this site.
In my opinion, your post from yesterday (which was subsequently and correctly deleted by SC) qualified as something to which other people might be sensitive, and would find offensive. I don't understand your persistence in bringing this up and dismissing the issue, and the person specifically targeted by your remark as "one of those thin-skinned bast*rds."
Some jokes are not funny. You are free to tell jokes that other people have deemed offensive and insensitive. But to keep doing so, once you've been told that the joke could be offensive and insensitive, is very telling of your worldview and character.
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05/07/2005 10:39:53 AM · #15 |
deapee I was agreeing with what you said.
robgo, I keep bringing it up because there was NOTHING wrong with it. What I am annoyed with is that any post offensive or not could be deleted by SC/admin. It seems that they don't monitor all posts or that redneck comment wouldn't have gotten thru. So if my understanding is correct then I can call an american a redneck and thats ok but not make a joke with somebody from a different country because THEY might not understand the humour??? Anyway, instead of gtting another thread killed (if I can say that) if you wanna discuss this further then start a rant thread where we SHOULD be able to say what has to be said.
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05/07/2005 10:47:50 AM · #16 |
My earlier use of sackhead was not meant to be derogatory. I respect people's choice to remain anonymous until the end of the challenge. If I have offended anyone I apologize. Even though I think we all get a little defensive of our submissions, our postings, or what we read into someone's posting, I do not think we should use someone else's opinions as a club to attack others. If we follow that path, all chances of constructive discussion goes out the window. So maybe we should talk about some ways to provide constructive feedback on an entry.
How about the Oreo method - I think you have a good idea, but the lighting of the subject seems a little harsh?
Advice - I like the subject and perspective, but what about cropping out that small rock on the right? Just an idea.
Anyone else have any suggestions? |
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05/07/2005 10:56:16 AM · #17 |
If I think a comment was flippant, then I don't tick that box and move on. If I think a comment was offensive, then that's a different issue. It wouldn't matter to me whether or not the commenter's identity is hidden. But yeah, generally people could be more constructive, here or anywhere else.
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05/07/2005 10:58:37 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by risu81:
My earlier use of sackhead was not meant to be derogatory. I respect people's choice to remain anonymous until the end of the challenge. If I have offended anyone I apologize. Even though I think we all get a little defensive of our submissions, our postings, or what we read into someone's posting, I do not think we should use someone else's opinions as a club to attack others. If we follow that path, all chances of constructive discussion goes out the window. So maybe we should talk about some ways to provide constructive feedback on an entry.
How about the Oreo method - I think you have a good idea, but the lighting of the subject seems a little harsh?
Advice - I like the subject and perspective, but what about cropping out that small rock on the right? Just an idea.
Anyone else have any suggestions? |
People should go here for starters
//www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=6
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05/07/2005 11:11:57 AM · #19 |
I think all comments should be anonymous until voting is over. On my first challenge I did PM people who wrote any comment good or bad, although I have not had any really bad comments, to thank them or explain the shot, I did tell a few people it was my first challenge and I was a nervous wreck having my picture out for all the "world" to see. It could sway a vote to be raised or lowered if the photographer is known before voting ends.
As far as the comments go, as they come in my husband and I will laugh at some, cuss at some and smack our foreheads and say why didn't we think of that on many. Most of them are very constructive. And if you want to have some real fun, go look at the portfolio of the person who is giving you an offensive comment and most times they have really tanked in the challenges. So maybe they want others to feel as bad as they do. Who knows and who cares.
Remember this is an art, and it is subjective, if you like it and you are proud of what you created isn't that all that matters?
Karen
aka "a sackhead"
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05/07/2005 11:12:42 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Let me guess, you're a sack-head, right? See, I agree with the original poster. I think those that use the bags are cowards and afraid. If you have something to say, then say it...don't hide behind a bag and wait for voting to end before showing your face in the hopes that it will pass and you'll be looked over at that point. |
You're right about that, I have taken advantage of the anonymous commenting during voting that the site has offered. But you are wrong to call me a coward. I am more rightly known as a strong advocate for anonymity. And if you, or anyone else, thinks that the reason for anonymity of commenters during voting is to protect people who don't want to stand behind their remarks, you are wrong about that also. If that were the case why does the commenter's identity become known as soon as the voting is finished? Perhaps you will understand the importance of anonymity to the challenges after you have been here a while longer. It is one the the things that sets dpc apart from some others photography sites.
Originally posted by deapee:
Not to mention, that's his opinion -- telling him he's *wrong* for sharing his opinion is wrong. You can agree or disagree all you want, but this board and the people here, as voluntary as membership is, have always been for the freedom of speech and sharing your opinion. |
You are wrong again if you equate name-calling with "sharing his opinion". It's not the same thing. People can share their opinions all they want and should be treated with respect for doing so. But you can't show disrespect for others and expect to get away with calling it sharing an opinion.
Message edited by author 2005-05-07 11:25:42.
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05/07/2005 11:14:22 AM · #21 |
This thread is convincing me. I'm putting the sack over my head. Thanks, y'all.
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05/07/2005 11:16:39 AM · #22 |
Thats a great picture, too bad you didn't wait for a challenge to submit it. Although someone may comment that the eyes were not cut out evenly or your pants are the wrong color...
Karen
Originally posted by robgo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
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Haha. That a self portrait? |
Message edited by author 2005-05-07 11:19:16. |
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05/07/2005 11:17:47 AM · #23 |
| cowards? yes, most are...namely because the comments are not positive in any way shape or form. |
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05/07/2005 11:19:41 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by robgo:
This thread is convincing me. I'm putting the sack over my head. Thanks, y'all. |
I need one on my head in the mornings. Bad bedhead! |
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05/07/2005 11:24:43 AM · #25 |
IF you want to call me a coward for putting a bag over my head then do so....but I love the option and I give constructive comments. When you call people cowards you hurt yourself in the end. Tell me which shots are yoursa and I will make sure not to comment on those.
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