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04/27/2005 11:02:59 AM · #1
My brother-in law shoots for alot of nascar events and has recently upgraded from his d60 to a 20d. He had a new shutter put in last fall and has probably taken 5000 pictures with it before he got the d20. Here is my dilemma. I bought my 300d in January. I take alot of sports stuff but am pretty much a newb to the whole photography thing. I do love it and will get good use out of whatever equipment I have. I am thinking about selling my 300d and buying his d60. What do you guys think? My other choice is to sell the 300d and upgrade to the 350xt. I appreciate all your help.
Thanks
04/27/2005 11:07:43 AM · #2
if you don't know if you want to upgrade or downgrade ... perhaps you shouldn't do either.

Message edited by author 2005-04-27 11:07:54.
04/27/2005 11:08:49 AM · #3
The D60 is old technology, the picture quality and high ISO performance of the 300D is a lot better.
04/27/2005 11:14:33 AM · #4
What do you think of the 350? What do you get with the 20d that you dont get with the 350?
04/27/2005 11:21:17 AM · #5
Originally posted by alixmiles:

What do you think of the 350? What do you get with the 20d that you dont get with the 350?


it's a long list:

The EOS 20D has a rear QCD (Quick Control Dial) which can be used to set exposure compensation, flash compensation, shutter speed or aperture in manual mode and has several other functions. The same functions are available in the Digital Rebel XT, but require the pushing of buttons. The advantage of the QCD is you can do things faster and without taking your eye from the viewfinder.
The EOS 20D can shoot at 5 frames/second, the Digital Rebel XT can shoot at 3 frames/sec
The EOS 20D can shoot a burst of 23 high resolution JPEG frames before the buffer fills, The Digital Rebel XT can shoot 14 frames
The EOS 20D has 9 autofocus zones, the Digital Rebel XT has 7
The EOS 20D provides full cross-type performance with maximum apertures as small as f5.6, yet it achieves up to 3 times the standard focusing precision when used with EF lenses featuring maximum apertures larger than or equal to f/2.8. The autofocus system of the Digital Rebel XT is inherited from the film Rebel XT body and has normal precision f5.6 sensors.
The EOS 20D autofocus is specified to operate in 1 stop lower light than the Digital Rebel autofocus (-0.5 EV vs +0/5 EV)
The EOS 20D autofocus is faster than the autofocus on the Digital Rebel XT
The EOS 20D has a top shutter speed of 1/8000s, the Digital Rebel XT has a top shutter speed of 1/4000s
The EOS 20D has a flash x-sync speed of 1/250s, the Digital Rebel x-sync speed is 1/200s
The EOS 20D has a pentaprism with a 0.9x viewfinder magnification, the Digital Rebel XT has a pentamirror with 0.8x magnification.
The EOS 20D has a highest ISO setting of 3200, the Digital Rebel XT has a high ISO setting of 1600.
The EOS 20D is good for 1000 shots (no flash) on a single battery charge, the Digital Rebel XT is good for 600.
The EOS 20D has a PC terminal for use with an external flash or strobe, the Digital Rebel XT does not.
The EOS 20D maximum flash sync voltage is 250v (for both the hotshoe and PC terminal), the Digital Rebel XT maximum sync voltage is 6v
The EOS 20D has a high performance shutter designed for increased reliability (100,000 cycles), the Digital Rebel XT has the normal Canon shutter (about 50,000 cycles).
The shutter lag time of the EOS 20D is 65ms, the shutter lag time of the Digital Rebel XT is 100ms.
The high-speed mirror drive give the EOS 20D a shortened viewfinder blackout time (115ms) compared to the Digital Rebel XT (170ms)
The EOS 20D sensor (8.2MP, 22.5 x 15mm) is very slightly larger and has slightly more pixels than the Digital Rebel XT sensor (8.0MP, 22.2 x 14.8mm).
The EOS 20D has a multi-controller on the back of the camera can be pushed in eight directions, as well as down in the center, to simplify selection of the AF point, correction of white balance, trimming of images during direct printing, scrolling of magnified images etc. The Digital Rebel XT uses push buttons for the same functions.
The EOS 20D has top, front and rear covers made of a magnesium alloy for added strength and rigidity. The top, front and rear covers of the Rebel XT are plastic.
The EOS 20D has 18 custom functions, the Digital Rebel XT has 9 (List of XT custom functions)
The EOS 20D ships with Adobe PhotoShop Elements 2, the Digital Rebel XT ships with ArcSoft PhotoStudio 5.5. Adobe have an upgrade offer from Elements to full Photoshop CS for $299. This offer applies to copies of Elements which were supplied bundled with Canon products. Since Photoshop retails for up to $599 ($649 list), this can be a significant saving.
04/27/2005 11:22:26 AM · #6
I just replaced my 300D with a 350D (mostly for the instant startup and lower noise levels). The 300D is a fine camera, though, and more comfortable to hold than the 350D. If you're new, I would concentrate on learning with what you've got, then upgrade when you know you're ready. If you're just starting out, you'll probably find more value in a good lens than another camera.
04/27/2005 11:28:48 AM · #7
Originally posted by alixmiles:

... What do you get with the 20d that you dont get with the 350?

5 frames per second burst shooting instead of 3, nine focus points instead of 7, a battery that holds about twice as much juice, larger, heavier, metal body.
04/27/2005 11:30:24 AM · #8

Sorry, you were off by "10". It's the d70 you want, not the d60!

04/27/2005 12:20:01 PM · #9
Originally posted by cghubbell:


Sorry, you were off by "10". It's the d70 you want, not the d60!


... I'm confused, if he's off by 10 doesn't he want the D50? :-P
04/27/2005 12:51:59 PM · #10
hopper..........can you be a little more detailed.....your answer is lacking in content. LOL
Really though, thanks a bunch.....that spelled it out just how i needed to be able to grasp it. That is a great reply and I owe you a cold one.

My problem is probably a common one. Nothing is ever good enough. I always want the bigger,better,faster, shiny one. The advice to learn what I have is a good one...and I would probably not have thought about trading if my bro-in-law was not getting rid of his. I do wish I had waited and got the 350 though. I would really like the burst of 14. Anybody want to buy a digital rebel?

Thanks again for your help.
04/27/2005 01:37:53 PM · #11
What specifically about your current 300D is wrong that you want to fix ?

Once you answer that, then you'll know if you need a new camera or not.
04/27/2005 01:44:15 PM · #12
WANT.....gets in the way of NEED sometimes. Frameburst is about the only thing that I know of right now. My problem is I havent made up my mind to learn my existing camera yet. Once I do.....I know I will be able to make a better decision. Thats why I asked you guys....I can listen to reason from you all......but that same reason from my wife just sounds like nagging. Thanks for all the replies.

I will learn patience,I will learn patience, I will learn patience,I will learn patience, I will learn patience............
04/27/2005 01:46:16 PM · #13
Originally posted by doctornick:

The D60 is old technology, the picture quality and high ISO performance of the 300D is a lot better.


Yup. I've owned them both and can second that motion! The D60 is still a good camera especially if you can get one el cheapo (originally sold for $4000 and available used now for around $500). The one I had was shared with another photographer and we put hundreds of thousands of shots on until it finally "died" this summer (fixable, but temporarily dead nonetheless).

That said, the D60 would be a decent second camera but I wouldn't run out and pitch the 300D just yet.
04/27/2005 02:01:47 PM · #14
Thats about what he wants for it. 600 dollars but it also has a battery grip with it.
04/27/2005 02:21:52 PM · #15
If you care about shooting sports, the D60 is a big downgrade. Only 3 AF points, all horizontally spaced, slower AF, smaller buffer.

There are things about the D60 that are better than the 300D, but not for fast/ action shooting.
05/05/2005 02:42:29 AM · #16
I have the d300 and just passed it off to my daughter who will be taking a photography class next year. I am switching to the 20d. I looked at the 20d and the 350d side by side and found I liked the feel of both but the viewfinder was view was larger and brighter in the 20d. I am shooting sports so the 5FPS was appealing along with the 3200 ISO. I too have been away from SLR photography for a while, doing video. I have keep a 35mm around but don't have a dark room. Now I have Photoshop CS and waiting on CS2 to ship. So I carry my darkroom with me (laptop). I like the 350 and will consider buying her that camera next year if her interest in photography intensifies.
05/05/2005 05:06:06 AM · #17
Originally posted by alixmiles:

hopper..........can you be a little more detailed.....your answer is lacking in content. LOL
Really though, thanks a bunch.....that spelled it out just how i needed to be able to grasp it. That is a great reply and I owe you a cold one.

My problem is probably a common one. Nothing is ever good enough. I always want the bigger,better,faster, shiny one. The advice to learn what I have is a good one...and I would probably not have thought about trading if my bro-in-law was not getting rid of his. I do wish I had waited and got the 350 though. I would really like the burst of 14. Anybody want to buy a digital rebel?

Thanks again for your help.


Very much! But sadly I don't think I'd be able to give you what you deserve for it :-) If you still have it in a year, post here again and I'll jump like mad!
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