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09/16/2002 10:35:52 AM · #1
For F&V I accumulated a total of 27 votes of 1-3.....but 28 voters who gave a ten. Did I just set a new record for vote disparity (I think that's the right word)?

I guess I hoping that it was the nature of the photograph that caused this (i.e. the goal is after all that people react to what we shoot right?) and not my technical execution.

Also, my intention wasn't to upset anyone, it was meant as a tribute (I live here). Also, thanks to those who commented (landscape would have been better...).
09/16/2002 10:42:56 AM · #2
Did I just set a new record for vote disparity (I think that's the right word)?

Do you mean diversity?

I always though that a photo like this would be a risk, as a lot of non-americans don't like patriotism. I myself voted it a 9 I think, but u know... risky photo!
09/16/2002 10:56:47 AM · #3
I don't know if it's a record, but disparity (unequalness) is right. Your vote distribution curve is offset markedly towards the higher end, but still has a relatively normal bell-shape within that...
09/16/2002 11:22:08 AM · #4
chak

looking back over your comments, i wonder why people are so suspicious of others' motives. so many comments call it exploitive, manipulative, etc. instead of giving you the benefit of the doubt that you care about this and are creating a work of art in tribute to this subject.

people are weird. fwiw, i loved your shot.

btw, my photo dividends for corporate world also got a really wide range of votes ..
09/16/2002 11:49:12 AM · #5
I just had to turn off my emotional response on your photo chakkobo. There are so many conflicting feelings running around in my mind about Sept. 11 even now. Mostly, it just makes me very, very angry - that people didn't see it coming, that it happened, and that it has been a launching pad for more war, death and hatred. As an outsider, from a country that isn't really on either side of the issue, it just makes me feel like the world is spiraling into madness. I actually know people who say things like "It's just Americans and Muslims killing each other, who cares? I don't like either of them" (that guy was an Australian of Chinese descent, so he's quite detached from the whole thing).

So, to me it's like... I don't commit myself to feeling either full sympathy or full anger towards either side. I feel a bit of both feelings for both sides. Images like this are confusing to me. So I just rated it on technical merit and switched my reaction off.
09/16/2002 12:04:55 PM · #6
I liked your photo very much. I agree that people shouldn't have voted it low just because they have to many emotions involved. It really was a great picture. Sometimes I wish people would just GET WITH IT!
09/16/2002 12:09:21 PM · #7
I think this was in great taste. Three or four negative comments were posted but overall, it received a very great response from viewers I think. For the three dissenters, I don't know anyone who would use a horrible tragedy towards their benefit only to win a free photo challenge online.

Many poeple are caught up in trying to stop others from having feelings about the event that they don't approve of but we're not all alike. Personally, I was disgusted by the ways businesses in America ran "Freedom Campaigns" after the tragedy but I can't get disgusted at an individual who chooses to celebrate and document a historic event by taking a technically near-perfect photo.

Stop trying to force your opinions everywhere like thier gold b/c you knew someone who died. That's real horrible but it doesn't give anyone the right to judge the actions of others.

For this post, you should have expected a record amount of highs and lows. There aren't "many" people on the fence on this issue.
09/17/2002 01:49:09 PM · #8
Thanks for your input everyone!

Nico, I like your final point, the scoring really illustrates that there are few people "on the fence".

My interpretation of photography and the role it plays in the world we live, changes the more I shoot. A while back I may never have considered doing such a shot. I would never have considered shooting the events of 9/11 last year. However, as a look around me (since owning my D60 - since May), I realize that a sigificant part of how we see and record the world is through photos, so my range of acceptance and interpretation of different photos or photographic "opportunities" (to relate something meaningful) has definately broadened a great deal.... then it just comes down to shooting things that your audience can relate to and has a significance for them (positive or negative).

OK...I could go on for a while here, so I'll stop.....maybe we should start a thread on Oliviero Toscani....I'll hold that off until an evening when I can really proactively write back...
09/17/2002 02:15:47 PM · #9
I loved your shot, chakkobbo. As someone who had Flight 93 pass practically right over my house, I don't quite understand those who don't appreciate tributes...

I think this was very tastefully done, and despite reading the negative comments I still can't quite understand how a tasteful tribute could set some folks off so badly.
09/17/2002 02:38:27 PM · #10
Thanks Alan. I thought your shot was outstanding too BTW! Jakob
09/17/2002 05:14:44 PM · #11
Originally posted by chakkobbo:
For F&V I accumulated a total of 27 votes of 1-3.....but 28 voters who gave a ten. Did I just set a new record for vote disparity (I think that's the right word)?

I guess I hoping that it was the nature of the photograph that caused this (i.e. the goal is after all that people react to what we shoot right?) and not my technical execution.

Also, my intention wasn't to upset anyone, it was meant as a tribute (I live here). Also, thanks to those who commented (landscape would have been better...).


Just to add some alternative fuel to the 'american bashing discussion'
I only just got the 'apple' reference in this picture, so obviously the
US cultural impact isn't as high as some people would like to claim it
is, at least not in my head.
09/17/2002 08:36:17 PM · #12
Although I did not vote on all the photos in F&V challenge I believe your photo was the only one that I gave a 10 to. Again, I said it in the comments and I will say it again. I think that photo should be in a museum. Although you might have gotten some low scores don't get discouraged. Most of the challenges I entered were done either for me or for a much smaller audience. If some people did not want to spend the extra 30 seconds to understand a photo of mine...Oh well, I enjoyed it, and if I get at least one good comment on it that makes the person's day I am very pleased and consider my shot successful. For example, the Honeydewaa entry for "Pencil" had a very small emphasis on pencils. Instead, I wanted to make some people laugh and I accomplished that quite successfuly. So, I might have come in 75th place or whatever, some of the comments I got made me feel like a winner. And that's all this site is about...Conveying your ideas and thoughts through photography to other people who can appreciate it. Just like any type of art, some people will just never get it.
09/18/2002 05:59:19 AM · #13
I just wanted to echo the other comments here. I loved your 9/11 tribute shot and would have scored it 11 if I could. I never for one second considered that it might offend anyone. It seemed to me to be in extremely good taste.

Your photo made quite an impact on my day. I was still thinking about it for some hours after I saw it.

Thank you.

John
09/18/2002 10:34:41 AM · #14
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:

Just to add some alternative fuel to the 'american bashing discussion'
I only just got the 'apple' reference in this picture, so obviously the
US cultural impact isn't as high as some people would like to claim it
is, at least not in my head.
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Gordon: Thanks for your comment. That's pretty revealing for me, that you "just" got the "big apple" thing. I am actually Swedish by origin, have spent most of my life in Switzerland but now live in NYC.... I realize, however, that the symbolism is clearly NYC centric, assuming that people know the "big apple" nick name.....anyway, all this to conclude that for someone who is not American, having lived in the US (studied in Colorado), I am probably developing a bias.

Another truth, when I do submit photos to this challenge, I realise most voters are American, so I bank on the fact that people will appreciate the American symbolism....if it was predominantly European crowd, I'd take a different approach!
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