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04/02/2002 11:02:12 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by shortredneck:
Originally posted by Reuben:
[i]I've thought about it quite a bit, and although I really like the titles, I think it would be great to just try the competition without titles for a few challenges. We'll never really know if we like it unless we try it, will we?
Why not? I'm up for a change of pace.
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And I'm sure support hose support you (sorry! I couldn't resist that cheap shot)
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04/02/2002 11:35:59 AM · #27 |
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04/02/2002 12:05:28 PM · #28 |
Yes titles have no relevance to photography. You never see them on prints in galleries. They are never a part of the caption in a photographic art books. Most prints submitted for publication or display don't even have them.
I couldn't be wrong could I?
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04/02/2002 12:17:14 PM · #29 |
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04/02/2002 02:23:13 PM · #30 |
che_fox:
Remember the photo with the non-English title? I suddenly don't think it's at all a relevant example anymore.
Why? The language was what is spoken in Yugoslavia. Now look at the architecture pictures. There is a photo called "Former Yugoslavian School of Architecture". I'm speculating that it may be from the same person. Do you think this photo would have been nearly so powerful without the title?
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04/02/2002 05:23:03 PM · #31 |
I definitely agree that titles have a place with photos. Like some other folks, I'm just curious to see
if they do have an effect on the voting, and would like to see a challenge or to without them.
I.e., could a photo with a Really Dumb Caption be ranked #1 purely on merit?
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04/02/2002 06:08:29 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Reuben:
che_fox:
...There is a photo called "Former Yugoslavian School of Architecture". I'm speculating that it may be from the same person. Do you think this photo would have been nearly so powerful without the title?
You bring up an example of where a title could be "yellow journalism". Titles are important because they help convey the author's intention and sums up the work. They can spark emotion. A bad title will result in me rewriting it in my head and NOT letting it affect my score. But, a misleading title? Calling a clover a heart when I know for a fact it isn't will make me think less of the author and the work.
I believe that if a person can not find a few words to sum up his/her work and complete the process - then they don't know what the work is about. IMO knowing what your photo is about is pretty important.
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04/15/2002 02:53:20 AM · #33 |
Just a follow-up to note how titles directly affected the voting for the Curves competition.
On the comments for my photo, of a coffee cup with the reflection of a bent spoon off the side:
"nice composition and colors. stupid title though, you gotta work on that -- the matrix was a terrible movie."
And, on the one I thought would surely be the winner ("Stallions at the Speed of Light"):
"stupid title. amazing shot."
If anyone still believes that titles do not directly and absolutely affect voting, you are seriously off the mark. These comments, more than anything, should show that we need a trial competition or two without titles during the voting process.
Ben
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04/15/2002 11:59:33 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by che_fox:
If anyone still believes that titles do not directly and absolutely affect voting, you are seriously off the mark.
I think you are right that the titles are an important part of the picture, and hence having a bad title impacts people's perception of the whole picture (as the title is a part of it).
I think though that we have a difference on opinion as to is the title actually part of the photograph or not. I think it is, you think it isn't.
I don't think a good title ever saves a bad picture, but a good title can make a good picture great. I think the simple 'Untitled' is used a lot in art, when the artist doesn't want to apply a title.
* This message has been edited by the author on 4/15/2002 12:01:17 PM. |
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04/15/2002 12:46:41 PM · #35 |
Sure, why not give it a shot (uhh, pardon the pun)? Perhaps even have a competition where the requirement is to produce an 'Untitled' shot. With that as the only criteria it would be very interesting to see what is produced.
But while I would welcome a challenge like this, I would be reluctant to remove titles from ALL future competitions. I believe they are an important part of the overall photo and concept, though not so important that they affect my voting. Personally, I hardly even notice the title when voting. Even the best or worst title has not yet affected my opinion of a photo. It's usually after I vote that I go back and take note of the title. But perhaps I am in the minority... |
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