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09/03/2002 04:30:11 AM · #1
...but I will! Heh! I spent 3 hours tonight trying to engineer my creative dream for "Fruits and Vegetables". I discovered that my camera doesn't do multiple exposure (don't know what I thought it did), then I concocted a way to get the same effect with a long manual exposure, then I couldn't find my remote shutter release. And once I'd finally gotten the technical side of things together, the frozen blueberries (who aren't very photogenic to begin with) REFUSED to cooperate!

This idea looked really good in my head. But my biggest problem with me and 'art' is that reality never looks like my imagination. So do I give up and submit one of fifty fruit bowl still lifes, or do I continue on and try to make my dream?!

Bah. Thanks for letting me vent.
09/03/2002 04:58:25 AM · #2
Life is tough don't give up. I am sure you'l see the light at the end.
good luck.
09/03/2002 05:02:50 AM · #3
Chrisab, if you think you have it bad, imagine what I go through with my 1.3 megapixel.
Hey, you don't live all that far from me. Can I bum your camera for a day this week and for once have a chance at a decent shot? Promise will never comment upon banding in your images again.
Just joking.

Don't give up on the dream. You'll get your image.
09/03/2002 05:16:05 AM · #4
I don't loan my gear to women with mustaches, Journey. Just a little personal rule of mine...

:)
09/03/2002 09:30:30 AM · #5
You mean the D60 doesn't do multiple exposures?? Wow, for that level of DSLR I would expect it to. Oh well, more money for Canon if they put out a D120 and D60 owners who want the best decide to upgrade. :)
Good luck with getting your shot to work out. This should be a fun challenge to score with so many bright colors possible.
09/03/2002 10:13:17 AM · #6
Originally posted by courtenay27:
You mean the D60 doesn't do multiple exposures?? Wow, for that level of DSLR I would expect it to. Oh well, more money for Canon if they put out a [i]D120 and D60 owners who want the best decide to upgrade. :)
Good luck with getting your shot to work out. This should be a fun challenge to score with so many bright colors possible.
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I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...


09/03/2002 10:17:29 AM · #7
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...


The FujiFilm s602z can do multiples (see page 55 of the User Guide) but I haven't tried it yet.



* This message has been edited by the author on 9/3/2002 10:16:30 AM.
09/03/2002 10:33:09 AM · #8
Originally posted by jakking:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...



The FujiFilm s602z can do multiples (see page 55 of the User Guide) but I haven't tried it yet.

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I would be curious to know how well it works... I think that creating multiple exposures with layers in software would work nicely as well...


09/03/2002 10:40:40 AM · #9
fuji s1 does. and prolly s2, also.


Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by courtenay27:
[i]You mean the D60 doesn't do multiple exposures?? Wow, for that level of DSLR I would expect it to. Oh well, more money for Canon if they put out a [i]D120
and D60 owners who want the best decide to upgrade. :)
Good luck with getting your shot to work out. This should be a fun challenge to score with so many bright colors possible.
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I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...


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09/03/2002 10:54:10 AM · #10
Originally posted by jmsetzler:


I would be curious to know how well it works... I think that creating multiple exposures with layers in software would work nicely as well...




Thats illegal isnt it ?


09/03/2002 11:08:40 AM · #11
Originally posted by konador:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
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I would be curious to know how well it works... I think that creating multiple exposures with layers in software would work nicely as well...




it's illegal as far as dpc is concerned... yes...
Thats illegal isnt it ?


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09/03/2002 11:09:48 AM · #12
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...



I know my 602 does. I've experimented with it only once though under not so good shooting conditions so haven't tried again. I should give it another go and see how well it works when compared to using multiple layers in photoshop.
09/03/2002 11:12:01 AM · #13
Originally posted by courtenay27:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
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I could be wrong, but i don't know of any digitals that will do multiple exposures...



I know my 602 does. I've experimented with it only once though under not so good shooting conditions so haven't tried again. I should give it another go and see how well it works when compared to using multiple layers in photoshop.
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that brings up an interesting question... since the camera can do it on it's own, i think it would be legal on dpc... it's only the software edits with layering for multiple images that are illega...

09/03/2002 11:12:50 AM · #14
So layering in photoshop is illegal in dpc... but multi exposure isnt? surly they are the same thing?
09/03/2002 11:13:16 AM · #15
beaten to the post :P
09/03/2002 11:31:43 AM · #16
I would just love to see an example of a multiple exposure photo with a digital camera... I have not seen this before and I can definitely imagine some very interesing things that could be done with that feature. My camera will not do it... :(
09/03/2002 11:32:05 AM · #17
dpc stance has always been if it can be done in-camera, it's legal. if not, then no.

the only exception to this has been black and white/duotoning ..
09/03/2002 01:25:54 PM · #18
If you are just using the remotre to prevent camera shake, or to get in position, the self time works well also.


Originally posted by chrisab:
...but I will! Heh! I spent 3 hours tonight trying to engineer my creative dream for "Fruits and Vegetables". I discovered that my camera doesn't do multiple exposure (don't know what I thought it did), then I concocted a way to get the same effect with a long manual exposure, then I couldn't find my remote shutter release. And once I'd finally gotten the technical side of things together, the frozen blueberries (who aren't very photogenic to begin with) REFUSED to cooperate!

This idea looked really good in my head. But my biggest problem with me and 'art' is that reality never looks like my imagination. So do I give up and submit one of fifty fruit bowl still lifes, or do I continue on and try to make my dream?!

Bah. Thanks for letting me vent.



09/03/2002 01:27:51 PM · #19
Multi-exposure in digicams is essentially artificially produced, I would guess. The nature of a CCD would require that the CCD stay charged from one exposure to the next in order to capture in the traditional sense, which we all know introduces lots of noise when that amount of time is relatively large. So, I suspect that the actual mechanics of multi-exposure in digicams that allow it is more to the tune of storing one image, then additively blending subsequent shots to buffer before writing the final image.

In essence, I think the multi-shot feature is a nicety that was provided to appease the SLR community who are migrating to digital SLRs and high end non-SLR cams. For people who really "need" this kind of feature, I think merging two photos with Your Favorite Editing Suite is just as easy, and gives the photographer finer control over composition. As such, I think that the demand for that feature will probably wane over coming development cycles.

How do I feel about Multi-Exposure in DPChallenge? I'd say PShop-layered "multi-exposures" should be allowed with the following restraints: The various layers must have been shot sequentially, at the same size and camera settings as the first, and layering must have happened with the direct-from-camera images, with no other editing techiques before merging.

Of course, as always, the photographer should be able to produce the original series of images, along with original EXIF data and file numbering data, and the steps to creation of submission that support the adherance to the rule. These restrictions would allow the creation of multiple-exposure images by the Photo-Editing community, but within the same confines of capability as their in-camera brethren (i.e. not being able to reposition subjects relative to each other from exposure A to exposure B once the exposures have been taken at the camera).

I know, I know... That's a lot of opinion from someone who's never submitted. I'm working that issue.

Mark



* This message has been edited by the author on 9/3/2002 1:29:24 PM.
09/03/2002 02:06:04 PM · #20
Originally posted by courtenay27:
You mean the D60 doesn't do multiple exposures?? Wow, for that level of DSLR I would expect it to. Oh well, more money for Canon if they put out a [i]D120 and D60 owners who want the best decide to upgrade. :)
Good luck with getting your shot to work out. This should be a fun challenge to score with so many bright colors possible.
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Why would anybody want multiple exposure with a digital camera?
You just take the two shots you want to overlay and do what you wanted
to do in Photoshop. That's way more flexible. Of course there are the
rules of DPC, but I'd rather amend those than make digicams do something
quite unnecessary.

09/03/2002 02:35:58 PM · #21
Originally posted by chrisab:
I don't loan my gear to women with mustaches, Journey. Just a little personal rule of mine...

:)


ha,ha,ha, lol. Touché!
<now, where did i put that healing brush ...>

:)
09/03/2002 02:55:08 PM · #22
I don'd see how any method of creating a multiple exposure would be legal for dp. It's very meaning is to take more then one photo and I thought we could only take 'a' photo. Long exposures on the other hand are still 'one' photo and are very different from multiple exposures. It seems to me that if we start allowing multiple exposures then this site will start to turn in a different direction going against the spirit of the current rules. It also seems odd that we can make black and whites and duotones in our editing programs but not in camera. I think the fact that your camera kind create a certain affect doesn't, in itself, mean that you can use it for dpchallenge. I just think that true multiple exposures would open up a whole new can of worms.

T
09/03/2002 09:12:54 PM · #23
WooHoo.. test shots with new produce went much better than with the cryrogenically frozen version. I have somewhat renewed hope, but I think I'm stretching my set-construction skills a little thin. I revealed my plan to the woman across the hall from me today at work. She said it was a nice idea, but that I'd never pull it off!! I suspect that might have been her idea of the polite way of telling me my idea sucks! Life is not easy in my world!
09/03/2002 09:30:58 PM · #24
Any camera can do multiple exposures, digital that is.

Take two, three, 15 shots whatever.

Use layers in photoshop to merge them together.

What's the problem? :) Oh yeah, the rules on this site, which is quite annoying -- the point of digital photography is to use the damn tools. Otherwise, we should've all stick with film.

Actually, I am not sure you'd be violating the rules if you do that, because you're doing it to the WHOLE image, not just spot editing which is the only rule that is forbidden, right?



Originally posted by courtenay27:
You mean the D60 doesn't do multiple exposures?? Wow, for that level of DSLR I would expect it to. Oh well, more money for Canon if they put out a [i]D120 and D60 owners who want the best decide to upgrade. :)
Good luck with getting your shot to work out. This should be a fun challenge to score with so many bright colors possible.
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09/03/2002 09:43:01 PM · #25
Paganini -

Other threads have said that layers are forbidden, except for effects layers which could be accomplished the same way using the menu.

Personally I'm glad they are forbidden. If they were allowed it would become more of a contest of editing tool skill than photography skill.

I know the public is divided on this one, but that's where I stand.
Offering a voice of dissent,
Dawn
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