DQ. moral of the story, read the rules thoroughly

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

03/03/2005 07:44:36 AM · #1

I'd like to thank the people who voted and commented on my Light on White challenge entry. It's been DQ and can't blame anyone but myself!!

Read the basic rules when I first joined up, but haven't really been there again......and in the meantime have become more adventurous with ps. Used the screen mode in an adjustment layer....it states in the rules that you must only use normal mode. So.....I'm a bit sad cos it was doing nicely, but have learned a lesson about reading rules thoroughly.

Thanks also to the SC....you guys do an awesome job here.

sue

ps....now I'm going to hide my very sad Passing Time score and think of ideas for the next couple of challenges. Did Ansel Adams take pics of birds and cats!!! LOL

cheekymunky

Canon EOS-40D

03/03/2005 07:46:25 AM · #2

I gave you a 10. sorry about your DQ, its nice to see someone take it so gracefully!

tazza

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

03/03/2005 07:48:18 AM · #3

Sorry about the DQ, I loved the picture (not much of a consolation I know) I'm sure you'll take some more great shots soon!

MichaelC

DJI Mini 3 Pro

03/03/2005 07:48:38 AM · #4

Picked this one to win, nevermind still an awesome shot - keep smiling:)

03/03/2005 07:52:13 AM · #5

Originally posted by cheekymunky:

I gave you a 10. sorry about your DQ, its nice to see someone take it so gracefully!

Thankyou for the 10 :)) No point in ranting and raving when it was my error. The rules are very clear. There's always another challenge to look forward to.....one of the many cool features of this place!!

So....tell me. Ansel Adams.....did he do dog pics??????

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

03/03/2005 07:56:48 AM · #6

Sorry about the DQ of that wonderful image. Definitely post it to your portfolio and keep it there.

Ansel didn't do much work on animals that I can recall, but that doesn't have to mean anything. The "style" is the use of the tonal range in the image, primarily. Do a nice Zone System type shot of your pooch in a field bu a forest, say, and you'd be in great shape. Maybe not a winner if the voters get anal about the Grand Landscape, but so what?

One Adams picture of an animal I can recall was his picture of Edward Weston's 3-legged dog, "Tripod." :-)

Robt.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

03/03/2005 07:58:22 AM · #7

sue, if it's any help, i try to think of it this way:
weekend - weekday
feast - famine
do it on the weekend, because you can't during the week

it has bitten many of us to realize at the 11th hour on a tuesday night that we used advanced editing techniques on an open challenge. your entry is a great capture, and your editing was wonderful...just the wrong day of the week. better luck next time!

Sigma 18-250 f/3.5 - 6.3 DC OS HSM

03/03/2005 08:05:22 AM · #8

Originally posted by bear_music:

I've been having a hunt for an article I saw in one of the mags on using the gradient tool and gray value stripes to get an Ansel Adams effect. I remember trying it out w/out a lot of success, but would be fun to have another go and see if I could get better results.

You guys rock!! It's great to be a part of such a supportive community!

sue

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 08:06:30.

NathanWert

Canon EOS-90D

03/03/2005 08:27:22 AM · #9

I'm sorry about the DQ. I gave you either a 9 or a ten (can't remember right now). It's a beuatiful photo.

admart01

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

03/03/2005 08:37:43 AM · #10

An awsome shot -- glad you posted it to your profile. What effect did the screen layer add? (thought I'd take the opportunity to learn from you about the very technique that got you dqed!)

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

03/03/2005 09:14:57 AM · #11

Nice shot. Didn't get to vote on it yet, but would have been high. Could you post the original. Curious how it looked before the "screen" layer.

03/03/2005 09:25:26 AM · #12

Originally posted by admart01:

An awsome shot -- glad you posted it to your profile. What effect did the screen layer add? (thought I'd take the opportunity to learn from you about the very technique that got you dqed!)

If you make a selection on the base layer (in this case, everything-but-bird), feather the selection, and then create a new adjustment layer set in "screen" mode, the layer will lighten (screen) everything in the selected area. Set it to "multiply" and it will darken everything in the selected area. Use the opacity sliders to regulate the degree of the effect.

There are many modes the layers can be set to. You need to experiment with them to learn what they do. Try opening an image, any image with a full range of tones, and draw a selection rectangle covering the middle third; then make a curves adjustment layer and click out of it without changing anything on the graph. Set the layer mode to different settings and watch what happens. Then take it back to normal, double click on the "curves" icon in that layer to reopen the curves graph, and make an extreme curves adjustment to really change the selected area.

Now go back to the layer palette and play with the modes again; watch what happens as yous et it to, say, "multiply" and then fade it down to like 10-15% opacity...

Wonderful, ain't it?

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 09:28:02.

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

03/03/2005 01:46:15 PM · #13

Thanks again for the support. Here's the original shot......very possible to have edited it w/out going outside the basic rules. Thanks Robt for the great explanation......you're very good at that, I just confuse peops when I try to explain how I did it.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

03/03/2005 02:06:39 PM · #14

Thanks for posting the original. I was expecting a big difference between the original and the DQ'd photo. Not much difference at all. I agree that you didn't need the layer "screen" to have a great photo. Too bad for the DQ. I admire your attitude.

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

03/03/2005 02:30:43 PM · #15

Sorry to hear that Sue. That's a great shot!
Maybe it's a good thing I don't know squat about layers after reading this.

((Hugz))

Bran-O-Rama

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

03/03/2005 02:38:12 PM · #16

Could you have not blown out the background by doing a simple levels or curves adjustment?

I did this using levels..

Sorry to hear about the DQ. It is so tempting to edit images through all these elaborate methods in our workflow. Sometimes it's good to just keep things simple. You should've told them it was levels! ;)

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 14:41:25.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

03/03/2005 02:38:53 PM · #17

Originally posted by Bran-O-Rama:

Could you have not blown out the background by doing a simple levels or curves adjustment?

I did this using levels..

Yes, she's already said that she could have done it within the rules :)

Bran-O-Rama

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

03/03/2005 02:43:13 PM · #18

You commented before I had a chance to edit.. It's good to know that she was honest about her editing method. Sorry again for the DQ.. I think in this case, you could've told a little "white" lie.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

03/03/2005 02:46:23 PM · #19

Originally posted by Bran-O-Rama:

You commented before I had a chance to edit.. It's good to know that she was honest about her editing method. Sorry again for the DQ.. I think in this case, you could've told a little "white" lie.

hehe.. Yah, I'm bored today.. thus fast. :)

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

03/03/2005 02:48:45 PM · #20

Regarding the "white lie", even leaving aside the morality of it, the way a validation works is they ask you to submit yoru original and list your editing steps. Since Sue wasn't aware the particular effect was an "illegal" one, why would she have lied anyway? See what I mean?

Imagine poor Sue's shock when she found out an image she could have precisely duplicated "legally" and that was a very possible ribbon-winner was DQ'd on what, in this case, amounts to a technicality (since the effect could easily have been obtained within the rules). I think she's being a real good sport about this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing with the DQ; I'm just thinking how this one must've stung....

Robt.

Citizen Erased

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

03/03/2005 03:13:29 PM · #21

oh noo, i wanted this one to win so badly! it is such a lovely shot! it makes me wonder though, why anyone would reccomend it for a dq if you could've easily done it using curve which is how i thought it was done anyway. sorry again!

Zippy

Canon EOS-40D

03/03/2005 04:06:23 PM · #22

I thought it would end up in the top three. Sorry to hear about the DQ. I really liked your picture.
Roxanne