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03/02/2005 10:36:58 PM · #1
Is it just me or most of the photos in Light on White are really just White on White? I am sure we can argue this to death, but is white qualify as a colour? I may be stiff on this, but I started voting down photos that are plain white. But seeing that half the people have submited white photos, I start to doubt myself. Is it just me that misread the challenge rule or half the photos doesn't meet the challeng?
03/02/2005 10:42:35 PM · #2
Im sure white is light.
Doesnt say ANYTHING about a color.
03/02/2005 10:45:53 PM · #3
Apparently there are a lot of voters who also feel that the entire background should be white, and are not a fan of any gradation.
03/02/2005 11:00:02 PM · #4
I figured this challenge meant a white background and a light object. White is a color that came in my Crayola box and I can buy white colored paint -- therefore is it a color. As long as I can see a variation between the background and the white object I'm okay with it. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time with the photos that are converted to black and whites. That seems to miss the spirit of the challenge to me.
03/02/2005 11:20:35 PM · #5
I am very much of the opinion that white = light. Light may not always be white, but white is always (well, almost) going to be light.

Nothing at all in the challenge about it needing to be a colour.
03/03/2005 03:37:31 PM · #6
I've gotten some sluff because mine hasn't any 'light color' (versus the white subject that it has), which is a bit frustrating. I mean, I'm not mad, but a bit frustrated that perhaps my photo is being marked poorly for lack of a specific 'colored' object, as I myself classify white as a color. I guess it frustates me in general when people vote for a photo based on how specifically it fits into their personal interpretation of the challenge, when 300+ people obviously aren't going to take the same angle. I mean, if something is completly off the mark, like say, a picture of a bowl of leek soup in a challenge about wildabeests, yeah, there was definetly some some thinking a bit too far outside of the box. That's a whole different can of worms.

However, when it's a matter of debate over what a specific word or phrase means, I prefer to not be picky, figuring that they and I are simply defining things slightly differently, and I then judge based on the merit of the photograph. In many cases, a word can have several different meanings (remember the infamous Pain Challenge and the flying fur there?). Or, in the case of this challenge, it's a matter of debate of whether or not white can be categorized as a color. This is a photography challenge contest, not a 'who interprets things most like me?' contest. Let's judge the pictures, not the definitions.

Anyone wanna second that?

-Annette

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 16:02:23.
03/03/2005 03:47:43 PM · #7
Originally posted by debitipton:

I figured this challenge meant a white background and a light object. White is a color that came in my Crayola box and I can buy white colored paint -- therefore is it a color. As long as I can see a variation between the background and the white object I'm okay with it. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time with the photos that are converted to black and whites. That seems to miss the spirit of the challenge to me.
I am very frustrated by the score I am receiving but at the same time I am very pleased with the comments stating My pic was scored low because it is a B/W. In actuality my picture is a color photograph with very little post processing work. I used theatrical make-up(oops maybe I gave too much away )and my studio lights to create the effect I was looking for on a PURE white background.The fact that I acheived the desired effect and fooled so many viewers while keeping to the theme of the challenege is a winner in my book. I think everybody in this challenge did a great job and really pushed the envelope. Isn't art supposed to be controversial anyway?
03/03/2005 03:48:17 PM · #8


Message edited by author 2005-03-03 15:49:48.
03/03/2005 04:02:43 PM · #9
I wonder what the person who wrote the challenge and it's rules (description)must be saying to themselves, at this point with so many discrepancies.

And I'm more curious to see if they will take this divergence of opinion or interpretation into consideration for the upcoming challenges.

The cream may or may not rise to the top on this one but by the sound(and looks)of things, very few of us are on the same page.

BTW cream is both white and light, in my humble opinion...
03/03/2005 04:06:53 PM · #10
My opinion is that the person who wrote it wanted your whites to be white while making sure that the neighbourhood don't go blind.

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 16:07:24.
03/03/2005 04:19:49 PM · #11
Originally posted by xion:

My opinion is that the person who wrote it wanted your whites to be white while making sure that the neighbourhood don't go blind.


Yeah...that's the guy(or girl)

Funny that that was one of the few things I fully understood and failed to accomplish. heheheh
03/03/2005 04:20:45 PM · #12
White is most definetly 'light'.

And I'm pretty sure the person who wrote the challenge description is sitting back, rolling his/her eyes and wishing they'd taken that job at Starbucks. If they haven't slit their wrists over the discussions about challenge rules previous to this: I'm sure they're not extra concerned NOW.

P.S. I don't know WHERE people got it that B&W shots don't count.

Message edited by author 2005-03-03 16:22:10.
03/03/2005 04:46:18 PM · #13
Originally posted by debitipton:

I figured this challenge meant a white background and a light object. White is a color that came in my Crayola box and I can buy white colored paint -- therefore is it a color. As long as I can see a variation between the background and the white object I'm okay with it. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time with the photos that are converted to black and whites. That seems to miss the spirit of the challenge to me.


Be careful what you say. I said kinda the same thing in this thread.

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03/03/2005 05:01:04 PM · #14
I'm yet to see or read anything that would in the slightest way back up the claim that black and white shots don't meet the challenge..unless of course you count the fact you're all heavy crack users.

ha
03/03/2005 05:01:47 PM · #15
My photo was alot of white and gray tones I thought it fit but its all left to other peoples interpretation.Oh how do you attach a photo to your posts. I had the horse drawn sleigh.
03/03/2005 05:02:26 PM · #16
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03/03/2005 05:14:52 PM · #17
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

I'm yet to see or read anything that would in the slightest way back up the claim that black and white shots don't meet the challenge..unless of course you count the fact you're all heavy crack users. ha


Is a Black and White Printer considered a color printer?

White contains all the colors of the spectrum but is white a color?
03/03/2005 05:22:10 PM · #18
My submission contains a white object on a white background (with a bit of black thrown in for good measure...) When I took the photo, I considered it to be "a lightly colored object on a white background" I liked the composition and think it is one of my better photos thus far.

Apparently, the voters disagree, since it's hovering around 4.7 right now...

Oh well..

Deb
03/03/2005 05:25:34 PM · #19
I think for the most part people understand the challenge and aren't going crazy over analyzing it. My entry is white-on-white converted to black and white and I'm hanging around 5.8 so not entirely disastrous and no comments about not meeting the challenge.
03/03/2005 06:06:22 PM · #20
All I would like to say is that when properly done, white on white is alot harder to pull off than, "light" on white. So job well done on all those who entered white on white images.
03/03/2005 06:23:07 PM · #21
Originally posted by G4Ds:

All I would like to say is that when properly done, white on white is alot harder to pull off than, "light" on white. So job well done on all those who entered white on white images.


I agree. I'm the king of entering stuff on white background because it's so easy, but for this one, I wanted to stand out from the rest and wouldn't accept anything other than perfection...I ended up giving up and not submitting.
03/03/2005 06:46:08 PM · #22
Originally posted by G4Ds:

All I would like to say is that when properly done, white on white is alot harder to pull off than, "light" on white. So job well done on all those who entered white on white images.
AMEN. Thats what my shot represents,a pure white background and a white foreground with a different tonal range. It only took me 4-5hrs to properly set my exposure and shot.Maybe my shot IS deserving of the 4.44 score(owchh that hurts!) I'm receiving now. Oh well I did it all in the name of love anyway's. ( And my growing addiction to dpc).
03/03/2005 06:59:34 PM · #23
The subject matter of my photo is a light colored object on a white background. The photo itself however uses shadows in the composition. Many of the comments say it's too dark to compete here.

It's too bad. I was proud of the composition and idea behind my shot, but I feel disappointed in the outcome.

I have to concede that I misinterpreted the rules. Unfortunately I wasn't the only one.
03/03/2005 07:13:58 PM · #24
Originally posted by debitipton:

I figured this challenge meant a white background and a light object. White is a color that came in my Crayola box and I can buy white colored paint -- therefore is it a color. As long as I can see a variation between the background and the white object I'm okay with it. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time with the photos that are converted to black and whites. That seems to miss the spirit of the challenge to me.


I wish someone would explain the "spirit of the challenge" to me before it starts. I sure didn't get it from the challenge description. I (and many others) didn't see a problem with B&W. I also don't see a problem with white being a light color and again many others also didn't by the number of entries with white subjects.

It is tough when you think you have created a good picture for a challenge and then some people are posting that they are voting all B&W pictures down and others are voting down white subjects for not being a light color.

I am actually thrilled by the score I am getting, but I wonder what it could have been if some people weren't voting for spirits (B&W) and light colors. I thought people would be more likely to vote lower if the background wasn't white. I have seen all kinds of colors as white in the background.

Oh well, it's hard to understand people.
03/03/2005 07:35:21 PM · #25
Okay, here's a thought. White is a color. All colors have hues. Who's to say that bright pure white is the only correct background? I have looked through the PINK challenge and noted many different interpretations of the color pink. Why can this not be done with white also?

I think it is ridiculous to decide in one challenge that any hue can be used but in another challenge it is only the hue you decided on. And this is not directed at any particular 'you' just any you who has decided that their "white" is the only right white whether it be bright white, oystershell white, eggshell white, cloud white, bird white, parsnip white, grey hair white, milk white...

Dahkota
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