I was DQed....-> - DPChallenge Forums

02/25/2005 06:08:04 PM · #1

I don't want to cause a prob. but i was dqed it the 70s challenge (my image-

) and here is why--

"This image has been disqualified for the following reason:
Borders: Your border may not contain any text, clip art, photographs, or other artwork. Please review the challenge submission rules."

so here is what i have to say.....(and i didn't want to bring this up at all but i was think about it so)....i made a slection then inverted it...after that i filledit with a pattern in PS CS......

it is NOT clip art or another image it is a pattern and the rules say nothing about that so......

after much thought what did i do wrong and if the SC wants to make it a no pattern BD also could they change the rules so All might know and not make the misstake i did.......

here is a quote of the rules

"Borders: It is suggested that if you decide to use a border, you should only use one or two solid colors around the outside of your photo. However, alternative borders are allowed, as long as they do not contain any text, clip art, photographs, or other artwork."

i would also like to thank manic for helping me out with the reason, but it still don't see how my DQ was a valid 1.

_brando_

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

02/25/2005 06:13:55 PM · #2

IMO, a pattern fill is artwork. The patterns are just that, artwork that has been tiled in order to fill a space. It's hard to have to accept a DQ, but as far as I'm concerned, the right decision was made here.

justin_hewlett

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

02/25/2005 06:15:29 PM · #3

i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure you can't use the selection tool at all in basic editing...

02/25/2005 06:16:28 PM · #4

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure you can't use the selection tool at all in basic editing...

Oh.. that's also a good point. Not sure it relates to borders though.

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

02/25/2005 06:16:47 PM · #5

I think the key word for me would be SOLID border . . . . and I would have to agree with Artyste. ALways sorry to hear of anyone's DQ because of the sadness for them, but I also think it was a fair call. Good luck on your next entry!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

02/25/2005 06:18:25 PM · #6

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure you can't use the selection tool at all in basic editing...

BDs are leagle in basic so depending on how u make it a slection tool is leagle also for the perpous of making a BD ONLY.

there are other ways but that is the 1 i use the most

_brando_

Marjo

Canon EOS-7D

02/25/2005 06:21:50 PM · #7

Sorry about your dq. While voting, I was wondering if your photo was just a straight shot of an album cover because that would make it somebody else's artwork. If it's not, take it as a compliment because it looks like it could be one. I thought the border was on the album cover. Anyway, it wasn't me that requested your dq.

As for the border, the way I see it is the pattern adds elements to the photo that weren't there in the original. It also could be seen as artwork because of the colored patterns...somebody designed it to look like that...It's confusing to many people. The safe thing is no border at all.
Good luck on the next challenge.

Fibonacci

Fujifilm FinePix S7000

02/25/2005 06:22:16 PM · #8

Left handed strat......Brilliant detail

ButterflySis

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/25/2005 06:22:55 PM · #9

In my interpretation of the rules on borders I find your border to be legal. It says "solid" b&w borders are suggested, not mandatory. Your border is certainly not clipart as you didn't insert anything into your image. You used fill....people use fill for color. No where in the rule do I see 'patterns' are not allowed...all I see is what a 'suggested' border is.

02/25/2005 06:24:02 PM · #10

Kylie thats what i thought at frist but then i saw this on the reread "It is suggested that if you decide to use a border, you should only use one or two solid colors"

doesn't that mean i can chose to make it solid or not as long as it runs around the eadge completly?

_brando_

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

02/25/2005 06:28:17 PM · #11

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

Left handed strat......Brilliant detail

its a right i just held it up-side-down

thanx though

Phillydigishooter

Canon PowerShot G3

02/25/2005 06:29:01 PM · #12

After viewing the photo it captures the expressions of the 70's more than most. In my oponion you would have scored high. Sorry you were DQ'ed.

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

02/25/2005 06:29:22 PM · #13

Originally posted by fotodude:

Yes, I see how open to interpretation it is. I guess I instinctively took that as NOT ten or something!! I do so little editing, that I guess I haven't had to worry much. It also seems that most people here say to stay clear of borders for the most part if you want a high score. But then, there are plenty of ribbon winners with borders, so there goes that advice! lol I will now shut up before I confuse you even more.

LEONJR

Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro

02/25/2005 06:33:31 PM · #14

I think it would have looked good without the border

Leon

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/25/2005 06:35:23 PM · #15

Originally posted by fotodude:

I still see using a pattern, especially one as varied as the one you used, as "artwork". I agree with the fact that it's open to interpretation.. but there are times when rules always *will* be, which is why there's a team of SC that vote on and decide, instead of just one person handing out judgements. If everyone took the suggestion that, when in doubt, either a: Don't use it, or b: Request a validation before the challenge.. then we can avoid this type of thing. The rules aren't 100% crystal clear, and I doubt they'll ever be. You got the wrong side of the boat this time, but take the lesson, and the next time you find yourself straddling the ifs of the rules.. take 5 minutes out of your day and send a note to the admins, or message an SC member to get them to review your submission before hand :)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/25/2005 06:35:59 PM · #16

There is no way to distinguish "clip art" from a pattern created in your editing program -- you essentially create your own piece of custom clip art on another layer, but functionally it's the same as if you had created it in a separate file and pasted it behind your image. It could also be considered "creation of a major element" in violation of that part of the rules.

These decisions are made by a subjective vote, and a photo may be DQ'd for violating the "spirit" of the rules as well as engaging in any explicitly-prohibited editing. It is not possible to write the rules in such a way as to cover every possible idea and method someone might use to circumvent their intended goal.

Fibonacci

Fujifilm FinePix S7000

02/25/2005 06:36:24 PM · #17

Originally posted by fotodude:

Originally posted by Fibonacci:
Left handed strat......Brilliant detail

its a right i just held it up-side-down

thanx though

But you knew to hold it up side down....well done.

great interpretation of the challenge theme...sorry about th DQ. Don't let this get you down.

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

02/25/2005 06:39:31 PM · #18

I think it might be safe to say that you are best off not using editing to "create" anything - only use it to clean up and fix what someone would have done in a film darkroom to bring the image around to looking as it "should" be instead of any kind of embellishment. Especially in the basic editing.

NinjaMom

Canon EOS-10D

02/25/2005 06:44:47 PM · #19

Originally posted by fotodude:

I don't want to cause a prob. but i was dqed it the 70s challenge (my image- ) and here is why--

"This image has been disqualified for the following reason:
Borders: Your border may not contain any text, clip art, photographs, or other artwork. Please review the challenge submission rules."

so here is what i have to say.....(and i didn't want to bring this up at all but i was think about it so)....i made a slection then inverted it...after that i filledit with a pattern in PS CS......

it is NOT clip art or another image it is a pattern and the rules say nothing about that so......

after much thought what did i do wrong and if the SC wants to make it a no pattern BD also could they change the rules so All might know and not make the misstake i did.......

here is a quote of the rules

"Borders: It is suggested that if you decide to use a border, you should only use one or two solid colors around the outside of your photo. However, alternative borders are allowed, as long as they do not contain any text, clip art, photographs, or other artwork."

i would also like to thank manic for helping me out with the reason, but it still don't see how my DQ was a valid 1.

_brando_

A border is a border. That is the way I take the rule. Plus, I think your picture would look better without the border anyway.

KDO

Canon EOS-700D Rebel T5i

02/25/2005 06:46:37 PM · #20

IMO the rules are vague, hazy, and indistinct. Apparently, the only way to truly find out what they mean is to be DQed a time or two.

02/25/2005 06:47:56 PM · #21

Originally posted by KDO:

IMO the rules are vague, hazy, and indistinct. Apparently, the only way to truly find out what they mean is to be DQed a time or two.

Or have some foresight and ask about it before-hand. Nothing is stopping anyone from asking questions if they're unsure...

02/25/2005 06:56:29 PM · #22

Originally posted by Artyste:

Originally posted by KDO:
IMO the rules are vague, hazy, and indistinct. Apparently, the only way to truly find out what they mean is to be DQed a time or two.

Or have some foresight and ask about it before-hand. Nothing is stopping anyone from asking questions if they're unsure...

but u see i have asked in the past and it has payed off but in this case i read the rules and i didn't see anything against it.....

so i was left to my own descernment and i did what i though was the most hendrix multi colored......