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03/21/2003 02:07:08 PM · #1 |
| As I've been glued to the news today, I couldn't help but think that "Shock & Awe" would be an interesting challenge topic. Then again, I have no idea what I would use as a subject... |
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03/21/2003 02:28:50 PM · #2 |
| That would be a tough one.... But, hey imagine what kind of entries there would be. |
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03/21/2003 02:38:16 PM · #3 |
Message edited by author 2003-03-21 15:04:38.
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03/21/2003 02:42:03 PM · #4 |
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03/21/2003 02:42:45 PM · #5 |
| Truly "Shock & Awe". Baghdad could very well be the next Hiroshima. Iraq should surrender now so it'll be over. |
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03/21/2003 03:04:42 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rj324:
Truly "Shock & Awe". Baghdad could very well be the next Hiroshima. Iraq should surrender now so it'll be over. |
I hope Dresden is a better analogy than Hiroshima, but I hope it's all over soon too... |
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03/21/2003 03:57:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by rj324:
Truly "Shock & Awe". Baghdad could very well be the next Hiroshima. Iraq should surrender now so it'll be over. |
I hope Dresden is a better analogy than Hiroshima, but I hope it's all over soon too... |
neither are good analogies, not even close
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03/21/2003 04:08:29 PM · #8 |
Well, I guess the aptness of the analogy to Dresden will have to await the cessation of bombing to assess the full extent of Bechtel's re-building job.
I was more trying to point out that it would probably open us up to significant world condemnation if, after all this rhetoric, we were to use Weapons of Mass Destruction (i.e. "nucular") like we did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... |
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03/21/2003 04:34:02 PM · #9 |
Holy crap. And that was only the first wave of attacks.
This is the first time the world is seeing first hand on live TV what war is all about.
I could'nt help thinking about all those stories about people trapped in buildings on September 11th. I was think to myself that's what those people are going through right now.
mike
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03/21/2003 07:04:36 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Well, I guess the aptness of the analogy to Dresden will have to await the cessation of bombing to assess the full extent of Bechtel's re-building job.
I was more trying to point out that it would probably open us up to significant world condemnation if, after all this rhetoric, we were to use Weapons of Mass Destruction (i.e. "nucular") like we did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... |
all the infrastructure is left, electritity, running water, basic human needs, the bombs are highly precise, so far from dresden that it is amazing anyone would compare apples to oranges like that |
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03/21/2003 07:09:46 PM · #11 |
Anyone who wonders about what went on in Baghdad should just have a glance at this article:
Times Online
Message edited by author 2003-03-21 19:10:33. |
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03/21/2003 07:51:48 PM · #12 |
Also keep in mind, in comparison with 9/11 that a) we are targeting primarily military and infrastructure targets, not civilian; b) we will help rebuild Iraq to better than it has been in many years; and c) we gave fair warning (anywhere from weeks to 12 years, depending on your reckoning). Al Queda gave us no such concessions.
War is bad and unfortunate, but in the world we live in it's an unfortunate reality.
Message edited by author 2003-03-21 19:53:00. |
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03/21/2003 07:57:40 PM · #13 |
| Lets just hope that its over fast and there is not to much loss of life! |
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03/21/2003 09:36:28 PM · #14 |
What a seriously distressing idea to base a DPC challenge on the total and absolute bombing and complete devastation of a city – please count me out!
Folks, please reread these comments on this thread and then think again about the mothers and fathers, the husbands and wives, the brothers and the sisters, and of course, the wee babies.... All of them are in Baghdad right now, simply trying to survive this savage and barbaric, yet precisely sterile attack, on their homeland.
Yes, Saddam Hussein must be dealt with - no argument. But, this is a radical act that will impact momentously upon the millions of innocents in this country.
As well, if I may be so bold as to point out, that the USA launched this attack by specifically targeting the leader of a sovereign nation.... Is this not a direct violation of the US constitution? If anyone ever violated the US constitution for any other reason, would the American people still accept it? racism? prejudice? religion? color? I must admit that I am confused by this standard.
And besides, this topic does not belong on “this” web site. This site is about photography, not politics. Please think again. To base a photography challenge topic on the misery of others is simply too sad to even consider.
I am sure that this opinion will not make me popular, but I work with folks who escaped Iraq after the last war. And, they still have family in Iraq. Today at the office, watching the news, was not a day that I would wish upon anyone. Surely there must be other suggestions that are more suitable? |
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03/21/2003 09:41:52 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
What a seriously distressing idea to base a DPC challenge on the total and absolute bombing and complete devastation of a city – please count me out!
Folks, please reread these comments on this thread and then think again about the mothers and fathers, the husbands and wives, the brothers and the sisters, and of course, the wee babies.... All of them are in Baghdad right now, simply trying to survive this savage and barbaric, yet precisely sterile attack, on their homeland.
Yes, Saddam Hussein must be dealt with - no argument. But, this is a radical act that will impact momentously upon the millions of innocents in this country.
As well, if I may be so bold as to point out, that the USA launched this attack by specifically targeting the leader of a sovereign nation.... Is this not a direct violation of the US constitution? If anyone ever violated the US constitution for any other reason, would the American people still accept it? racism? prejudice? religion? color? I must admit that I am confused by this standard.
And besides, this topic does not belong on “this” web site. This site is about photography, not politics. Please think again. To base a photography challenge topic on the misery of others is simply too sad to even consider.
I am sure that this opinion will not make me popular, but I work with folks who escaped Iraq after the last war. And, they still have family in Iraq. Today at the office, watching the news, was not a day that I would wish upon anyone. Surely there must be other suggestions that are more suitable? |
keep your bullpoo out of this |
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03/21/2003 09:49:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Morgan:
What a seriously distressing idea to base a DPC challenge on the total and absolute bombing and complete devastation of a city – please count me out!
Folks, please reread these comments on this thread and then think again about the mothers and fathers, the husbands and wives, the brothers and the sisters, and of course, the wee babies.... All of them are in Baghdad right now, simply trying to survive this savage and barbaric, yet precisely sterile attack, on their homeland.
Yes, Saddam Hussein must be dealt with - no argument. But, this is a radical act that will impact momentously upon the millions of innocents in this country.
As well, if I may be so bold as to point out, that the USA launched this attack by specifically targeting the leader of a sovereign nation.... Is this not a direct violation of the US constitution? If anyone ever violated the US constitution for any other reason, would the American people still accept it? racism? prejudice? religion? color? I must admit that I am confused by this standard.
And besides, this topic does not belong on “this” web site. This site is about photography, not politics. Please think again. To base a photography challenge topic on the misery of others is simply too sad to even consider.
I am sure that this opinion will not make me popular, but I work with folks who escaped Iraq after the last war. And, they still have family in Iraq. Today at the office, watching the news, was not a day that I would wish upon anyone. Surely there must be other suggestions that are more suitable? |
keep your bullpoo out of this |
What does that mean? |
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03/21/2003 10:09:52 PM · #17 |
almost everything you said was bullpoo, lies
Message edited by author 2003-03-21 22:15:13. |
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03/21/2003 11:14:57 PM · #18 |
I didn't think that the suggestion was to base a challenge on anyone's misery. Shock and awe is a rather interesting term that can be removed from this context.
I should probably stay out of it, but I have to agree that this is a photography site and not a political arena. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. Surely we can agree on that and not resort to personal attacks. |
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03/21/2003 11:24:06 PM · #19 |
achiral, read that link Times Online and if you're not distressed something is wrong. The same testimony was on television tonight told by several of the women that lived in Iraq and were forced to watch. Other footage showed Saddam's son's enjoying watching men stick swords through themselves.
You don't know how lucky you are!
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03/21/2003 11:47:08 PM · #20 |
| This is politics...don't you all think this would be better debated elsewhere instead of getting upset with each other for your opinions. |
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03/21/2003 11:55:36 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
What a seriously distressing idea to base a DPC challenge on the total and absolute bombing and complete devastation of a city – please count me out!
Folks, please reread these comments on this thread and then think again about the mothers and fathers, the husbands and wives, the brothers and the sisters, and of course, the wee babies.... All of them are in Baghdad right now, simply trying to survive this savage and barbaric, yet precisely sterile attack, on their homeland.
Yes, Saddam Hussein must be dealt with - no argument. But, this is a radical act that will impact momentously upon the millions of innocents in this country.
As well, if I may be so bold as to point out, that the USA launched this attack by specifically targeting the leader of a sovereign nation.... Is this not a direct violation of the US constitution? If anyone ever violated the US constitution for any other reason, would the American people still accept it? racism? prejudice? religion? color? I must admit that I am confused by this standard.
And besides, this topic does not belong on “this” web site. This site is about photography, not politics. Please think again. To base a photography challenge topic on the misery of others is simply too sad to even consider.
I am sure that this opinion will not make me popular, but I work with folks who escaped Iraq after the last war. And, they still have family in Iraq. Today at the office, watching the news, was not a day that I would wish upon anyone. Surely there must be other suggestions that are more suitable? |
You seem to have forgotten about the thousands of INNOCENT people who were killed on 9/11. Innocent mothers, fathers, brothers,sisters who all lost their lives for no other reason than someone did not like what the United States stands for. These people know nothing but the rhetoric they are fed and oppression they live under.
I am not saying that violence is the means to carry out the changing of regime's. But if you look at that area of the world it seems that all they understand is change thru violence. Sometimes to manifest change force must be used.
The sad part about this is you are right. There will be innocent lives lost. But I'm willing to bet that the number of deaths from collateral damage is far less than the number of innocent people (The Kurds) Hussein has murdered (with weapons of mass destruction)simply because of their religious stance. Not to mention that they were his own people. His own countrymen. Where does a ruler, with total disregard for life stop?
Don't forget that Saddam has done nothing but give the International Community the giant "finger" for the past 12 years. I find it extremely hard to believe that the rest of the World can be so short-sighted to believe that a man like Saddam Hussein might finally give up his quest for power and control and step aside. He has proven time and again that he is a man that can not be trusted. How do you negotiate with someone if you can not believe what they are saying? You can't!
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03/22/2003 12:01:43 AM · #22 |
| that article really puts things in perspective, morgan, did you read it? I personally don't wish death or destruction on anyone(s), but I do wish peace and well being, so, if that means war, then be it, yeah there will be deaths of innocent, however, if victorious, we will be helping many, many more, as well as their kids and their kids. or maybe we shouldn't do anything and let the whole country suffer indefinately? I thought so. and besides, I don't see what we are doing as "going after one person", yeah we want saddam, but I see him as the figure head of a greater force to deal with, as with osama bin laden, we don't even hear that name anymore, its al queda, right? also, alot of people like to blame bush for alot of stuff, hell, he's just the president, if there is anything I remember from my social study class is that the president doesn't have the total control everyone thinks, remember, there is an entire government, not just one man calling the shots. everyone will see this ordeal and draw their own conclusions and opinions, but that's mine. I personally like to look at the entire PICTURE, critique it, then draw a conclusion, ahhh finally a photography reference! I knew I could do it:) |
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03/22/2003 12:11:34 AM · #23 |
I am not moderator, so I cannot "lock" this thread, but if I was, and I could, I would. Then, I would suggest that everyone wishing to continue this "conversation" go to the RANT section where it has been discussed ad nauseum in "Discover Freedom." This is a suggestion thread. Either agree that it is a potential topic, or disagree, but take the arguing to the rant section. PLEASE!
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03/22/2003 12:20:10 AM · #24 |
That article sums up what Saddam has been doing to his civilians for years. He's a brutal dictator and this is just another FACT of what he's done to his own people. Every single Iraqi who has left Iraq and called into talk shows on TV and Radio have ALL said that the country would be better off without him.
Sometimes you have to accept the "collateral damage" as part of the price "we" pay to deliver the Iraqi people from hell. If 100 innocents die because of a misguided missle that's terrible... But if *another* 2,000,000 Iraqi people die because we do nothing and leave Saddam in place in Iraq, that's criminal and anyone who would support that needs to re-evaluate their position on this.
Plus I think Saddam is dead anyway, so this will be over soon... There are pics of Iraqi solders desperately trying to dig someone out of the bunker that was bombed on the first night... And after that, top Iraqi military/government people were photographed leaving the country. Why do you think that's happening (if the story is true)? Because they no longer fear him and/or have nothing more to fight for because they realize Saddam is dead and if they don't leave they are going to be on trial by their own citizans for what they have done to them.
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03/22/2003 12:29:14 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
What a seriously distressing idea to base a DPC challenge on the total and absolute bombing and complete devastation of a city – please count me out!
Folks, please reread these comments on this thread and then think again about the mothers and fathers, the husbands and wives, the brothers and the sisters, and of course, the wee babies.... All of them are in Baghdad right now, simply trying to survive this savage and barbaric, yet precisely sterile attack, on their homeland.
Yes, Saddam Hussein must be dealt with - no argument. But, this is a radical act that will impact momentously upon the millions of innocents in this country.
As well, if I may be so bold as to point out, that the USA launched this attack by specifically targeting the leader of a sovereign nation.... Is this not a direct violation of the US constitution? If anyone ever violated the US constitution for any other reason, would the American people still accept it? racism? prejudice? religion? color? I must admit that I am confused by this standard.
And besides, this topic does not belong on “this” web site. This site is about photography, not politics. Please think again. To base a photography challenge topic on the misery of others is simply too sad to even consider.
I am sure that this opinion will not make me popular, but I work with folks who escaped Iraq after the last war. And, they still have family in Iraq. Today at the office, watching the news, was not a day that I would wish upon anyone. Surely there must be other suggestions that are more suitable? |
good grief you are so naive... there are iraqi citizens cheering us in the streets... and thanking us for liberating them from an oppressive dictator that brutalized them for years, raped their women and children, and ruled them with a brutal iron fist of fear... hopefully, years later after they have enjoyed freedom for a few decades, they will remember how we freed them from oppression... unlike the french who have so quickly forgotten what we did for them... oh wait, I just realized why there are trees that line the roads in france... they must be there so the germans can march in the shade...
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