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 02/09/2005 07:36:35 PM · #26
There is no right answer to your question since so much depends on what you will be doing with the camera. I got my wife a new camera and we went back and forth between the 300D and the 20D, in the end the 300D was just not enough cheaper to make it attractive and we got the 20D, which we love. But then we were not on a fixed budget.

The 20D is much more fun to use then the 300D, but if you don’t have the lens you need what good is that. If you don’t need a long lens then you could do fairly well with the kit lens and the 50mm 1.8, all of which you could get with your $1400 budget. But my wife finds that she leave the 70-300mm Sigma lens on most of the time, this was another $210.

As far as the quality of the photos I don’t think you would find the 300D lacking, you could make great looking 8 x 10 prints.

You might also spend just a little time looking at Ebay, a more expensive body and some used lenses might not be a bad way to go.
02/09/2005 07:44:47 PM · #27
Has any had a look at the Sigma SD10? I havn't seen it mentioned here yet and I havn't seen any reviews. It looks like a reasonable camera for a resonable price.
 02/09/2005 07:46:47 PM · #28
Originally posted by thommo:
Has any had a look at the Sigma SD10? I havn't seen it mentioned here yet and I havn't seen any reviews. It looks like a reasonable camera for a resonable price.


DPReview has reviewed it.. gave it a "Recommended" score.

Apparently it also *only* shoots RAW.. which can be a storage nightmare for most people.
 02/09/2005 07:57:07 PM · #29
Originally posted by thommo:
Has any had a look at the Sigma SD10? I havn't seen it mentioned here yet and I havn't seen any reviews. It looks like a reasonable camera for a resonable price.

It has been a while but I did look at the Sigma and there were some things that I really did not like. As I recall the noise was much worse then any other DSLR, one of the big reasons to get a DSLR IMO. The other problem is that you will be pretty limited in the lenses you can get for it, at least I believe this is the case. It can take very good photos and it does pretty good with as few pixels as it has, but for an all around camera I would avoid it.
02/09/2005 09:44:06 PM · #30
I've decided to purchase the Canon EOS-20D, I'm going to get the best camera for my money for the features I want/need, starting with good sports/action photography (my kids sports, and other), and hopefully start getting serious and build a portfolio and make some money at doing what I love. For the money I have I can get the camera, one lense, a cleaning kit and a memory card. Extra lenses/external flash and such will have to wait till later. Im hoping to make my purchase within the week. Wish me luck and thanks to everyone for giving great input.
 02/09/2005 09:50:10 PM · #31
Good luck. Save the money on the cleaning kit. The inside botton edge of my t-shirt has served me well for years.
 02/09/2005 10:01:30 PM · #32
$ 1400 for DSLR is not enough!
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....

Good luck !
 02/09/2005 10:05:35 PM · #33
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.
 02/09/2005 10:09:11 PM · #34
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.

I passed $5000 mark already (even they say Rebel is only 899 ),LOL !
 02/09/2005 10:58:01 PM · #35
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.

I passed $5000 mark already (even they say Rebel is only 899 ),LOL !


Just one lens cost me $6800 last year.
 02/09/2005 11:05:50 PM · #36
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.

Just one lens cost me $6800 last year.


Well, those of us on planet Earth without that kind of money to spend have to do what we can with our meager resources. I've not reached the $1400 mark yet and am doing OK with what I have already. Normal people don't HAVE to spend that kind of cash to take a decent picture for a website to make an attempt at a virtual ribbon. Of course they can, if it makes them feel better about themselves or their skills, but it isn't a requirement by any stretch of the imagination.
 02/09/2005 11:14:39 PM · #37
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.

I passed $5000 mark already (even they say Rebel is only 899 ),LOL !


Just one lens cost me $6800 last year.


For the dog shots you can use $ 4.99 Fuji one use camera :-)

Message edited by author 2005-02-09 23:15:01.
 02/09/2005 11:21:40 PM · #38
Bob, I know you've decided to go with the 20D and I wish you the best if you go through with that purchase. It's a great camera with exceptional action performance.

Since you haven't yet purchased it yet I would like to chime in with my own ideas. Since camera bodies come and go but lenses are here to stay, if it were me, I would go with the cheapest camera body I could find, such as the DRebel and purchase the best lenses I could afford. Imo,
your biggest investment should be in the lenses rather than a body. Another month or two and you will be able to get a new DRebel dirt cheap and with the money you're saving spend it on great L-lenses.
Just my two cents from a two bit photographer.
 02/09/2005 11:42:54 PM · #39
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Well, those of us on planet Earth without that kind of money to spend have to do what we can with our meager resources. I've not reached the $1400 mark yet and am doing OK with what I have already. Normal people don't HAVE to spend that kind of cash to take a decent picture for a website to make an attempt at a virtual ribbon. Of course they can, if it makes them feel better about themselves or their skills, but it isn't a requirement by any stretch of the imagination.


I don't remember anyone saying you had to buy a thing. I don't HAVE to do anything either, but I choose to and not so I can win some virtual ribbon. The scope of my work and the requirements I have go well beyond anything that could be appreciated on the web. Expand your mind. There is more to photography then what you see on DP.

And it damn sure is a requirement if you need to capture certain images under certain conditions.

Originally posted by pitsaman:

For the dog shots you can use $ 4.99 Fuji one use camera :-)


I probably could have if I Photoshoped them to death. It seems to be all the rage with certain photographers.
02/09/2005 11:49:01 PM · #40
02/10/2005 12:00:09 AM · #41
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I don't remember anyone saying you had to buy a thing. I don't HAVE to do anything either, but I choose to and not so I can win some virtual ribbon. The scope of my work and the requirements I have go well beyond anything that could be appreciated on the web. Expand your mind. There is more to photography then what you see on DP.

And it damn sure is a requirement if you need to capture certain images under certain conditions.


My mind is well-expanded, thank you. I was talking to the normal people...the bulk of the people on this site... the little guys who DON'T do this for a living. Those of us who have tight budgets and day jobs. You don't have to be so defensive. No one cares what you spend YOUR money on. I'm just stating that it's not necessary to do so in order to take a decent picture.
02/10/2005 12:08:54 AM · #42
Expect to spend about the price of the body again on lenses, to get a system that is roughly equivalent in quality and versitility to one of the high end fixed lens 8Mp systems, like the Sony F828, Minolta A2, Nikon or Canon equivalent fixed lens cameras. So if your budget is $1400, a rebel would be a much better idea than a 20D or D70, unless you plan on spending quite a bit more, quite quickly.

You can go for lenses that are a lot cheaper, but you might be better off with one of the fixed systems instead then. If it'll take you a while to save the extra for lenses, a fixed system for a couple of years while DSLR prices fall and the systems mature might also be worth thinking about.
 02/10/2005 12:13:09 AM · #43
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I don't remember anyone saying you had to buy a thing. I don't HAVE to do anything either, but I choose to and not so I can win some virtual ribbon. The scope of my work and the requirements I have go well beyond anything that could be appreciated on the web. Expand your mind. There is more to photography then what you see on DP.

And it damn sure is a requirement if you need to capture certain images under certain conditions.



My mind is well-expanded, thank you. I was talking to the normal people...the bulk of the people on this site... the little guys who DON'T do this for a living. Those of us who have tight budgets and day jobs. You don't have to be so defensive. No one cares what you spend YOUR money on. I'm just stating that it's not necessary to do so in order to take a decent picture.

Of course they can, if it makes them feel better about themselves or their skills,


Or they want to be able to take a sharp close-up picture of a wild bird in a nest without disturbing it.

Don't even act like what you said wasn't a dis.
 02/10/2005 12:28:35 AM · #44
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.


and this isn't a dis?
 02/10/2005 12:34:05 AM · #45
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.


and this isn't a dis?


Nope, it sure wasn't. I was just stating that it could get much more expensive.
 02/10/2005 01:55:56 AM · #46
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.


and this isn't a dis?


Nope, it sure wasn't. I was just stating that it could get much more expensive.


Hmmmmmm well, that's not the way it comes across.
 02/10/2005 02:00:39 AM · #47
I have a knack for that. So what?
 02/10/2005 02:15:44 AM · #48
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Bob, I know you've decided to go with the 20D and I wish you the best if you go through with that purchase. It's a great camera with exceptional action performance.

Since you haven't yet purchased it yet I would like to chime in with my own ideas. Since camera bodies come and go but lenses are here to stay, if it were me, I would go with the cheapest camera body I could find, such as the DRebel and purchase the best lenses I could afford. Imo,
your biggest investment should be in the lenses rather than a body. Another month or two and you will be able to get a new DRebel dirt cheap and with the money you're saving spend it on great L-lenses.
Just my two cents from a two bit photographer.


This is actually a very good point, if you end up doing commissioned work then having a backup body is a great asset, you could go for a 300D or a 10D at this point and then getting a 20D (or it's successor at a later date), that way you will have a better collection of add-ons.

Whichever dSLR you choose I'm sure you will be very happy with it (even more so if you choose the D70) ;)

Darren
 02/10/2005 02:17:22 AM · #49
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
With all necessary lenses,external flash,spare batteries and flash cards ,will run you up over $ 4000 ....



Is that all? You're swimming up the cheap creek.

I passed $5000 mark already (even they say Rebel is only 899 ),LOL !


Just one lens cost me $6800 last year.


wow, I can't imagine making such an investment without a specific need, which lens is it and what do you use it for? can we see come sample images?
 02/10/2005 02:44:11 AM · #50
Originally posted by colda:
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Just one lens cost me $6800 last year.


wow, I can't imagine making such an investment without a specific need, which lens is it and what do you use it for? can we see come sample images?


A very specific need.

600/4

Here, here , and here are just a few samples.

A few of the images I have taken with that lens are in this Alabama Writer's Symposium brochure and about forty large format mounted prints taken with that lens will be on diplay in a one man show during the symposium. Worth every penny.

Message edited by author 2005-02-10 02:46:44.
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