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01/19/2005 11:00:26 AM · #51
Originally posted by avatar:

So from what you guys are saying, I as a total newcomer to photography shouldn't have submitted to this challenge because I'm certainly not qualified to distinguish between groundbraking 'to others' vs. groundbraking to me!

I don't think it's fair to say that this competition should have had a handful of submission when we have so many photographers of different levels.

my 2 cents ;)


You couldn't think of anything new? Something with a twist? That's cool cause neither could I and I have been at this for a while. But then again I didn't enter this one. Kinda like choose your battles. I mean it's cool if you entered with an ordinary landscape or something of that nature. After all you can enter anything you choose within reason and don't let anyone tell you different.

But don't complain if your score to relects your decision.
01/19/2005 11:02:08 AM · #52
Hell I was going to take a photo of me digging a hole in my garden..

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01/19/2005 11:08:56 AM · #53
I see here that everyone else seems to be having the same problem. If the discription of the photo is not posted???

One word to the newcomer, I've come to recognize that most here shoot different styles and in different forms so they judge accordingly. They don't see what you or I might see in a picture. There is a lot of difference in one who shoots say scenics and one who shoots still lifes or portraits.

You will see it in the comments and by checking out their bios. So take them at face value and don't get discouraged. I pay little attention to the scores since looking at who is doing the judging and how they are doing it. You do the looking and make your on comparisons and see what you might change, do different, or learn from the pictures posted. Everyone is going to see a picture different and you knew what it was you were trying to convey in yours. So look for the story they are telling with theirs.

The bottom line is to HAVE FUN and KEEP SHOOTING.
01/19/2005 11:10:38 AM · #54
Originally posted by jonpink:

Hell I was going to take a photo of me digging a hole in my garden..

i was eyeing a jackhammer, myself ;-)
01/19/2005 11:11:51 AM · #55
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by avatar:

So from what you guys are saying, I as a total newcomer to photography shouldn't have submitted to this challenge because I'm certainly not qualified to distinguish between groundbraking 'to others' vs. groundbraking to me!

I don't think it's fair to say that this competition should have had a handful of submission when we have so many photographers of different levels.

my 2 cents ;)


You couldn't think of anything new? Something with a twist? That's cool cause neither could I and I have been at this for a while. But then again I didn't enter this one. Kinda like choose your battles. I mean it's cool if you entered with an ordinary landscape or something of that nature. After all you can enter anything you choose within reason and don't let anyone tell you different.

But don't complain if your score to relects your decision.


lol, not my point at all, sorry for being so vague. The whole discussion on what innovative means in this challenge is a bit bizarre.

I think my entry is pretty good but I doubt that the technigue is brand new. Besides, how can one force his ideas of what's innovative on everyone else?
01/19/2005 11:12:07 AM · #56
Originally posted by jonpink:

Hell I was going to take a photo of me digging a hole in my garden..


That would have met the chalenge. A play on the theme.
01/19/2005 11:18:22 AM · #57
I am scoring based on this: Ground Breaking Technique means to me, something that the artist has not tried before. I assume that most have tried point and shoot, so those will get the lower scores, but the ones that use a "technique" such as slow shutter, pannning, or something from the "how did they do that" files will get higher scores. Right now I am at:

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01/19/2005 11:19:00 AM · #58
Originally posted by avatar:

Besides, how can one force his ideas of what's innovative on everyone else?


Now you miss the point. You should't have to force anything. If the image does what it is suppossed to do it will be evident to the majority of the viewers no matter what their persuasion. If it misses with the majority of the viewers then it did not comunicate the way you had intended. The object of a good photograph is to comunicate. Try harder next time.

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01/19/2005 11:24:42 AM · #59
Originally posted by nsbca7:

If the image does what it is suppossed to do it will be evident to the majority of the viewers no matter what their persuasion.


I couldn't agree with you more on this, well put.

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Try harder next time.


Who said I'm not trying hard enough? ;)
01/19/2005 11:28:36 AM · #60
Originally posted by avatar:

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Who said I'm not trying hard enough? ;)


Nobody. That is a personal thing.
01/19/2005 12:28:57 PM · #61
For a second challenge, I seem to be a record holder of 5's :)

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01/19/2005 12:52:56 PM · #62
The more that I read these strings, the more I chuckle. Try this one on for size..............If I wore my underwear on the outside of my pants when I took my photo would I consider that rather innovative if it compels me to see things differently? This might be bizarre yet is it not innovative? I looked at the description and it is no where near as rigid as some need it to be. No matter what the description is for any challenge, some will get bogged down in the "literal" and lose focus that this is simply a recreational photography website. How is this different than tearing apart a book in a high school class or disecting a frog? The book most often loses its impact the author had inteneded and the frog is seen as a grotesque glob of entrails. Are these books and creatures meant to be presented that way? What will keep me interested in this hobby is the shear enjoyment of taking a picture that I think is cool without the need to tear it apart. We criticize authors who use a formula when writing novels and yet we tend to embrace that attitude here. The next question would be.......is that really innovative?

There were some great photos in this challenge and some that were not so great. EVERYTHING in this challenge has been done by someone else but has it been done by the contributing photgrapher?

If we changed the name of the "Challenges" to "Expositions", would that ease some of this competetive and ANALytical silliness?
01/19/2005 12:56:36 PM · #63
Originally posted by Ivo:

The more that I read these strings, the more I chuckle. Try this one on for size..............If I wore my underwear on the outside of my pants when I took my photo would I consider that rather innovative if it compels me to see things differently? This might be bizarre yet is it not innovative? I looked at the description and it is no where near as rigid as some need it to be. No matter what the description is for any challenge, some will get bogged down in the "literal" and lose focus that this is simply a recreational photography website. How is this different than tearing apart a book in a high school class or disecting a frog? The book most often loses its impact the author had inteneded and the frog is seen as a grotesque glob of entrails. Are these books and creatures meant to be presented that way? What will keep me interested in this hobby is the shear enjoyment of taking a picture that I think is cool without the need to tear it apart. We criticize authors who use a formula when writing novels and yet we tend to embrace that attitude here. The next question would be.......is that really innovative?

There were some great photos in this challenge and some that were not so great. EVERYTHING in this challenge has been done by someone else but has it been done by the contributing photgrapher?

If we changed the name of the "Challenges" to "Expositions", would that ease some of this competetive and ANALytical silliness?


Well said--I'm beginning to think this is a website of lawyers who want to be photographers or photo critics. ;)

Personally, I know it's the thrust here, but I want to find a site where I can get the volume of critiques and scoring from DPC, but without the semantic games. Unfortunately, I've been looking for a site like that for months as my disenchantment with DPC grows, but I've still not found one.

01/19/2005 12:57:18 PM · #64
That's nice and all, but if the intent of the challenges aren't to provide focus for the entries then why bother having them? It would all be a free study.

It's much simpler to call people anal and enter a photo of a cat in a Dog challenge...but what's the point?


01/19/2005 12:59:19 PM · #65
Enter away, the more comments the better, forget the score. When folks tell you their opinions, you are in class. Forget thier off track comments and focus on what they say that can help you improve.... next month they won't rember the contest but you will have learned from your effort... damn the torpedoes full fstops ahead...
01/19/2005 01:08:22 PM · #66
Looking for more comments, but pleased with the score so far...

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01/19/2005 01:10:11 PM · #67
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

That's nice and all, but if the intent of the challenges aren't to provide focus for the entries then why bother having them? It would all be a free study.

It's much simpler to call people anal and enter a photo of a cat in a Dog challenge...but what's the point?


I utilize the challenge topics as a means of exploring the hidden potential in my mundane environment. We were not invited by the "supreme council" to attend a symposium on photography but rather paid $25 to enter a photo playground where we can have fun. There is a bit too much "Sand Kicking" going on in this sandbox and I fear that this attitude may scare away some real talent.


01/19/2005 01:16:11 PM · #68
Originally posted by Ivo:

I utilize the challenge topics as a means of exploring the hidden potential in my mundane environment. We were not invited by the "supreme council" to attend a symposium on photography but rather paid $25 to enter a photo playground where we can have fun. There is a bit too much "Sand Kicking" going on in this sandbox and I fear that this attitude may scare away some real talent.


Nice metaphor!!
I'd never thought of it this way and it makes a lot of sense to me.
01/19/2005 01:30:32 PM · #69
The question for this challenge is how do you know by looking at a picture whether the technique used is innovative or not. All you are seeing is the end result. Without reading the details you don't know how the artist got there. You may think you know, but is it fair to grade a picture on somthing that you don't know for sure. Especially since the theme is predicated on this idea of innovation. I do not feel it is fair (in this particular challenge) to downgrade a picture on its title especially if the title is attempting to give you a hint as to the special effects utilized. At the end of the day one must grade the picture on how they feel about the picture itself and not try to guess the technique. It would be interesting to regrade the pictures after reading the details of each picture. I am sure there will be some real surprises and possibly some real Innovation that go undetected by just looking at the pictures themselves.
01/19/2005 01:54:48 PM · #70
I think this was a very confusing challenge - hence the low number of entries. It asks to produce something unique, innovative etc. Well I just did not have the time to enter this but I will now go off and vote. So I am in a dilema, do I vote low because they do not meet the challenge? Hell I dont know what the challenge was about in the first place! Benifit of the doubt will be given, after all it is a unique challenge.....


01/19/2005 01:56:16 PM · #71
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Seems to be my usual 4!
01/19/2005 01:57:38 PM · #72
But we aren't being asked to judge how "innovative" the technique actually is. How could we do that? We don't know what technique, if any, was used. This seems to be obvious; we judge on aesthetic grounds, don't we?

That's giving us some problems in this challenge for sure. There is a certain, stunning image in this challenge that would be guaranteed to ribbon (IMO) in certain challenges, but I look at it and wonder "what's innovative about this?" Others have opined that if you live in a city and have never shot a landscape, you can go shoot a landscape and you have "tried something new." If this is true, if this is a "valid" approach to the challenge, about all we can do is treat this as a free study, right?

I'm not gonna worry about it. Stunningly good images I will give good scores to. Wild, off the wall pics that are well-done, I am gonna give good scores to. Bpring pics, not a chance in this challenge, too many good shots percolating.

Robt.
01/19/2005 02:12:02 PM · #73
My votes were based on stretch.. Did I perceive some effort to reach, stretch, go beyond the nice scene and make something unique.. the been there done thats got avg score from me and I won't lose sleep if they had never been there or done that... just how I voted... I agree more info was needed on photogs intent, background and how this was breaking new ground for them...
01/19/2005 02:14:20 PM · #74
Originally posted by Gurilla:

Originally posted by okiesisi:

I am with u Gurilla, it was very hard for me, but as you said, as a new photographer, there are lots of things that are "new" to me..but I have to say, I am getting my highest scores so far (my 4th challenge)..around 4.8!!


Good for you Sierra, I hope the score will improve even more for you!
You will learn what is prefered at dpc. Toys and pets are not one of them unless they are an outstanding photo. Goodluck.


... hey... pets get rated high when they're part of the challenge (like Pets and thier people) ;)
01/19/2005 02:23:29 PM · #75
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:

Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!


The wording doesn't say anything about NEW. It says exactly this:

"Now is your chance to show a photographic technique that you consider to be innovative. Choose your subject, photograph it with your own unique technique or style, and then describe that technique or style in your comments with the photo for viewing after the challenge. And last but not least, be creative and have fun!"

I used an innovative technique that I have previously integrated and adapted with my own style. So it's not new.

Personally, I look forward to hanging it on my wall, and I think it is artistic enough to be sold in a gallery. Current Score: 5.36. I am beginning to think that the "popular" definitions of photography are much too narrow here. Even when the challenge says to be innovative.


speaking of wall worthy photos! My submission to this challenge is only at about 4.6, but I have a friend who really wants a print of this to hang on his wall! I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
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