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Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/19/2005 08:16:03 AM · #29

Originally posted by nsbca7:

I've never given out so many ones in any chalenge. More disparity in this chalenge then I have seen in awhile. Little mid ground. Some great new ground. And some just old musty burial ground.

Keep in mind that the challenge details call for a new technique or style for the photographer, not for you. For example, consider someone who lives in a large city and never shoots landscapes. For this challenge, they may have driven for an hour or two to go find a landscape to shoot. To you, it may seem normal, not innovative, but to them, it may be the first landscape they have ever shot.

Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

JD

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

01/19/2005 08:49:39 AM · #30

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
I've never given out so many ones in any chalenge. More disparity in this chalenge then I have seen in awhile. Little mid ground. Some great new ground. And some just old musty burial ground.

Keep in mind that the challenge details call for a new technique or style for the photographer, not for you. For example, consider someone who lives in a large city and never shoots landscapes. For this challenge, they may have driven for an hour or two to go find a landscape to shoot. To you, it may seem normal, not innovative, but to them, it may be the first landscape they have ever shot.

Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

JD

I can't agree with that - if that was the case it would just be a free study and metting the challenge wouldn't figure in the voting.

I think it should be a technique that perhaps hasn't been seen much on DPC or perhaps a technique the voter has never tried, something along those lines - or even something that appears to have had some thought.

JPR

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

01/19/2005 08:49:42 AM · #31

Yeah I think it's the word "style" in the challenge description that makes me assume everything is meeting the challenge.

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

01/19/2005 08:56:05 AM · #32

Originally posted by JPR:

Yeah I think it's the word "style" in the challenge description that makes me assume everything is meeting the challenge.

But if you use the word technique not many show anything other than the normal - > look, focus press camera putton technique - in which case 50% don't meet the challenge at all.

Also some may simply have a post processing technique which may or may not count depending on the voter.

A tough one to judge if you ask me.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/19/2005 08:58:10 AM · #33

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:

Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

I disagree. That was the Something New challenge (my worst score ever).

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

01/19/2005 09:16:32 AM · #34

Originally posted by jonpink:

A tough one to judge if you ask me.

I'll agree with that. To think that 190 participants were going to come up with a technique that has never been seen by anyone else on dpc is asking the impossible. Is there even such a thing as a "new technique"?

But just becuase I've seen the technique done before, doesn't mean a photo deserves a low score. It's a tough one indeed.

sibeling

Nikon D70

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/19/2005 09:17:06 AM · #35

I can see both sides to this - the wording of the challenge focused a lot on the photographer's subjectivity - "a photographic technique that you consider to be innovative", "photograph (your subject) with your own technique or style".

But, I may think that it's innovative to shoot an overexposed, badly focused photo of a blah subject, and if enough voters feel that that is an innovative technique, I win the blue! It's no different from any other challenge, really: the winner will be the photographer who's interpretation of the challenge matches that of most of the voters. It's just that "innovative" is a lot more subjective than, say, "yellow."

This is a difficult challenge, both as a submitter & a voter.

THE

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

01/19/2005 09:21:39 AM · #36

How can I see my score?

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

01/19/2005 09:23:44 AM · #37

Originally posted by avatar:

How can I see my score?

top left hand corner of the main page (after signed on to the site)

THE

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

01/19/2005 09:26:03 AM · #38

Fantastic, thx.

My first submission...

Votes: 64
Views: 96
Avg Vote: 5.5781
Comments: 1

Not bad at all :D

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/19/2005 09:27:18 AM · #39

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:

Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

The wording doesn't say anything about NEW. It says exactly this:

"Now is your chance to show a photographic technique that you consider to be innovative. Choose your subject, photograph it with your own unique technique or style, and then describe that technique or style in your comments with the photo for viewing after the challenge. And last but not least, be creative and have fun!"

I used an innovative technique that I have previously integrated and adapted with my own style. So it's not new.

Personally, I look forward to hanging it on my wall, and I think it is artistic enough to be sold in a gallery. Current Score: 5.36. I am beginning to think that the "popular" definitions of photography are much too narrow here. Even when the challenge says to be innovative.

01/19/2005 09:28:47 AM · #40

Haven't read much of this thread, but I did just look through the photos.

What is this, a free study?

I didn't enter because I couldn't come up with something "innovative"...looks like that didn't stop anyone else.

Sure, I have my own style and techniques but couldn't prouduce a photo that displayed innovation this week.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/19/2005 09:30:37 AM · #41

Originally posted by nshapiro:

The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Yes it does. Innovative means ground-breaking, never-been-done, progressive, original...new.

Message edited by author 2005-01-19 09:30:55.

Fibonacci

Fujifilm FinePix S7000

01/19/2005 09:36:22 AM · #42

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Yes it does. Innovative means ground-breaking, never-been-done, progressive, original...new.

So how many meet this criteria in your opinion Mike ?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

01/19/2005 09:38:54 AM · #43

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Yes it does. Innovative means ground-breaking, never-been-done, progressive, original...new.

But it says to use an innovative technique--it doesn't say create one. This is reinforced by the fact that it says to pick a subject and photographic it with your own unique style. To me, that says that your photo should have a unique style, and your own, not that you haven't done it before.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/19/2005 09:45:57 AM · #44

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Yes it does. Innovative means ground-breaking, never-been-done, progressive, original...new.

So how many meet this criteria in your opinion Mike ?

I feel like I'm being set up here...

If I may, I'll answer your question after rephrasing it a little more fairly.

"In your opinion, Mike, how many photos were taken in such a way that the photographer truly believed he/she was being innovative?"

The answer to this might be less than a dozen.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/19/2005 09:51:12 AM · #45

Originally posted by nshapiro:

The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Sure it does. "Breaking NEW Ground." Given that pretty much everything has been done before, I'll be pretty lenient on that requirement, but I'll still favor the unusual or innovative.

Fibonacci

Fujifilm FinePix S7000

01/19/2005 09:51:46 AM · #46

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Yes it does. Innovative means ground-breaking, never-been-done, progressive, original...new.

So how many meet this criteria in your opinion Mike ?

I feel like I'm being set up here...

If I may, I'll answer your question after rephrasing it a little more fairly.

"In your opinion, Mike, how many photos were taken in such a way that the photographer truly believed he/she was being innovative?"

The answer to this might be less than a dozen.

Sorry about that, no ambush intended......

I completely agree with you.

I was hoping for a lot more "inventiveness" both in terms of use of camera and artistic presentation.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/19/2005 09:55:34 AM · #47

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
The wording doesn't say anything about NEW.

Sure it does. "Breaking NEW Ground." Given that pretty much everything has been done before, I'll be pretty lenient on that requirement, but I'll still favor the unusual or innovative.

I agree, it's all been done (sorry, Fibonacci - I thought that's the point you were going to make!)...but I would at least expect to see something unusual, interesting or creative in any photo I score above 4.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

01/19/2005 10:31:42 AM · #48

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

The wording doesn't say anything about NEW. It says exactly this:

"Now is your chance to show a photographic technique that you consider to be innovative. Choose your subject, photograph it with your own unique technique or style, and then describe that technique or style in your comments with the photo for viewing after the challenge. And last but not least, be creative and have fun!"

I used an innovative technique that I have previously integrated and adapted with my own style. So it's not new.

Personally, I look forward to hanging it on my wall, and I think it is artistic enough to be sold in a gallery. Current Score: 5.36. I am beginning to think that the "popular" definitions of photography are much too narrow here. Even when the challenge says to be innovative.

Definition of Innovative (The American Heritage College Dictionary):

To begin or introduce something new.

Anybody have a Webster's Dictionary handy? Say the same thing?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

01/19/2005 10:37:35 AM · #49

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
Keep in mind that the new technique or style is for the photographer, not for the voter!

The wording doesn't say anything about NEW. It says exactly this:

"Now is your chance to show a photographic technique that you consider to be innovative. Choose your subject, photograph it with your own unique technique or style, and then describe that technique or style in your comments with the photo for viewing after the challenge. And last but not least, be creative and have fun!"

I used an innovative technique that I have previously integrated and adapted with my own style. So it's not new.

Personally, I look forward to hanging it on my wall, and I think it is artistic enough to be sold in a gallery. Current Score: 5.36. I am beginning to think that the "popular" definitions of photography are much too narrow here. Even when the challenge says to be innovative.

Definition of Innovative (The American Heritage College Dictionary):

To begin or introduce something new.

Anybody have a Webster's Dictionary handy? Say the same thing?

Webster uses new too. In that case, I don't see anything at all really new or innovative in the challenge, so I am going back and rescore on a 1-3 scale.

Everything's been done before. Most artists aren't innovative by the DPC voters definition.

Here's the definition from hyperdictionary:

# [adj] being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before; "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original"
# [adj] ahead of the times; "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?"

(and of course, I'm kidding about rescoring)

Message edited by author 2005-01-19 10:55:55.

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