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12/20/2004 05:46:16 PM · #1
so yeah, my experiment with borrowing a dslr was a personal success.

i topped my highest score and broken into the top 50. i'm happy with that improvement.

maybe the camera helps more than we're letting on. i think i've had better ideas but the sheer sharpness and range of the dslr makes an immediate impact.

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12/20/2004 05:59:30 PM · #2
I agree, a "good" camera helps the photographer get "better" photos (or makes the job easier),... since i got my rebel my images have been much better overall (sharpness, focus, etc...), my old DX 3700 didn't let me control anything just point and shoot. Yet im still not able to top my highest score of 6.357(taken with the DX3700). Im still ajusting with the rebel (had it for 3 months or so) and hope to get an even higher score soon.

BTW cool photo and congrats on your highest score ;)
12/20/2004 06:07:06 PM · #3
Still gotta have good idea. No matter how great the camera or how technically good the shot, people here look for that little spark of inginuity in an image. That's what usually pushes an entry over the top. I was doing better with a point and shoot.
12/20/2004 08:01:13 PM · #4
I see comments a lot about DSLR being the reason people score higher. I fundamentally disagree with this.

Yes, I scored my highest with a DSLR, but I could have taken that shot and got close to the end result with my Sony. I still prefer many more creative shots I've taken to my winner, but the DSLR (quite rightly) delivers more scope to achieve one's aim. I couldn't have taken that shot without having experimented with - and got to know intimately - my F717 first. And, as orussell says, the idea and 'design' is the most important element to get right - the actual shot comes last.

I think imagining the shot through strangers' eyes and creating an image that people find difficult to vote low is the key to challenge success. Do something daring and you risk losing votes to the love-or-hate-it principal but, personally, I prefer the a more thought-evoking route at the expense of winning challenges.
12/20/2004 08:11:31 PM · #5
Originally posted by saintaugust:


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Too bad the entry is listed under: Canon PowerShot SD110
12/20/2004 08:11:52 PM · #6
As someone rightly said once: It is not the camera it self which is the main issue, but what is in front and behind it ;)
12/20/2004 08:12:35 PM · #7
Maybe your eye is just getting better. That picture probably could have been done with your other camera as well.

(BTW, the camera listed for that shot is your SD110, which now shows up as the fourth highest rated picture for that camera. You might want to change that - if you can? - just so the camera page is accurate.)
12/20/2004 08:19:54 PM · #8
So far, my highest scoring photo was taken with my old point and shoot Canon PowerShot. I hope to remedy the situation soon and justify the cost of my new camera. :-) What the D70 is giving me that my old camera couldn't is radically improved exposure flexibility and much sharper focus. The Canon served me well, but I absolutely love my DSLR.
12/20/2004 09:58:14 PM · #9
my highest scoring photo is

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taken with the Kodak DX4900 point and shoot.

Go figger :P
12/20/2004 10:05:01 PM · #10
My top FIVE shots were all taken with my old Oly point and shoot. Haven't had near the success with the dRebel. Was getting close though after purchasing the 50mm f1.8 lens (before I broke my camera). This lens made me take a step back in my photographic learning curve and relearn composition since I was the zoom...
12/20/2004 10:22:11 PM · #11
3 out of 4 of my highest shots were taken with the Sony Cybershot DSC-S70

I personally think you need to know how to use the camera and what it offers. If you can use a cheap, smaller, less settings camera with ease and understand it then you can use a DSLR and achieve great results, but I think we should all learn from a smaller camera first. Makes it more of a challenge.

I also think having a DSLR is awesome..I had outgrown my sony and wanted more settings. It was tough learning all the new stuff, but I think I am getting it. hehehe..

It is the person, NOT the camera.
12/20/2004 10:25:52 PM · #12
I just looked at your profile. I think it is also because of your subject. Don't change the camera change the subjects.
12/22/2004 06:04:22 AM · #13
I'll admit up front that I've never used a dslr. A film slr, yes, but not digital. I own a Nikon Coolpix 8700, and I would have to say that it performs brilliantly. It has amazing manual settings, and as for price, at 8 megapixels and a 8 x optical zoom, I havent been able to find a dslr of the same quality for a price near it.
12/22/2004 06:25:59 AM · #14
Originally posted by Sonifo:

I just looked at your profile. I think it is also because of your subject. Don't change the camera change the subjects.


I think your journey into the top 50 has more to do with you learning what dpc voters like to see, more than the camera that you are using.

I also note that it is not your highest % scored.
12/22/2004 06:43:46 AM · #15
A camera is only as good as the photographer using it ! :-) I must admit I got daunted by the 10 and 20D club and figured the camera had played a big part in the results. If there is talent behind the lens I don't think it matters what camera is used. Can anyone think of any lower end digitals that have ribboned ?? I'm curious !
12/22/2004 06:49:42 AM · #16
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12/22/2004 07:03:10 AM · #17
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And shot in 1mp mode!
12/22/2004 08:03:50 AM · #18
Originally posted by megryan:

Can anyone think of any lower end digitals that have ribboned ?? I'm curious !


heh ... I've been trying to find some nice examples lately to break myself outta this depression ;-) but they're very few and very far between.
12/22/2004 08:10:38 AM · #19
I recently ribboned with this shot.

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Not that I wouldnt kill for a SLR, but I have quite a few plus 6.0+ shots with my little HP.
12/22/2004 09:22:08 AM · #20
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My highest score, but not a ribbon shot. I haven't been able to surpass this score with my dRebel. And it is far from my technically or compositionally best shots. I think people over-look these aspects when you have a good idea or something that grabs their attention. So again, I've learned that it's not the camera, for the most part.
12/23/2004 11:04:40 AM · #21
Originally posted by faidoi:

Originally posted by saintaugust:


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Too bad the entry is listed under: Canon PowerShot SD110


i recall it not giving me the option of 'other' camera when i entered. just the two i had already registered.

i'll see if I can change it.
12/23/2004 11:05:07 AM · #22
Originally posted by faidoi:

Originally posted by saintaugust:


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Too bad the entry is listed under: Canon PowerShot SD110


i recall it not giving me the option of 'other' camera when i entered. just the two i had already registered.

i'll see if I can change it.
12/23/2004 11:41:36 AM · #23
I'm always amused that it is the folks with the high end cameras that swear up and down that they don't make a difference.

Gotta be an antagonist here - if they don't make a difference, why do you guys buy 'em?????

Quality, people, quality. NO digicam has the sensor size of a 10D or a 20D, and it DOES make a difference in the output. A good idea with a grainy texture, soft focus, etc, etc, is not going to do well. Yes, it does still take a good photographer, but there is a certain image quality that higher end cameras make possible that doesn't exist with lower end stuff.

I personally also think that users of Photoshop as opposed to Gimp and Paint Shop Pro have a technical advantage, especially in compression algorithms....

Flame suit donned.
12/23/2004 12:55:47 PM · #24
I have an entry in Deja Vu that is an exact copy of a shot taken by someone with a Nikon dSLR.

Comments, edited to keep the pic unidentified:
-This doesn't quite have the impact of the original ...not the same amount of sharpness.
-As far as I can see this is the same ... but that shot has so much more quality. The sharpness and colours and exposure are better in the original ...

90% of it is the phtographer - the idea, the actual taking of the shot (exposure, etc) and even PP (sharpening, frame or not, etc). The other 10% is the camera.

I can't find the thread, but the top two all time ribbon winners don't use dSLRs!
12/23/2004 01:58:16 PM · #25
Originally posted by nards656:

I'm always amused that it is the folks with the high end cameras that swear up and down that they don't make a difference.

Gotta be an antagonist here - if they don't make a difference, why do you guys buy 'em?????

Quality, people, quality. NO digicam has the sensor size of a 10D or a 20D, and it DOES make a difference in the output. A good idea with a grainy texture, soft focus, etc, etc, is not going to do well. Yes, it does still take a good photographer, but there is a certain image quality that higher end cameras make possible that doesn't exist with lower end stuff.

I personally also think that users of Photoshop as opposed to Gimp and Paint Shop Pro have a technical advantage, especially in compression algorithms....

Flame suit donned.


I bought my Rebel so I can buy more the lenses. I couldn't change my aperture settings with the f-stop. It frustrated me that I couldn't get subjects in focus and the background out of focus. There was no way to do that with my sony camera. I couldn't get the zoom either, my sony has a 3x optical zoom. Woo..go zoom! hehehe.. My sony has 3.2 mp while my rebel has 6 mp. I can take bigger pictures.

Does the camera make a difference if you already know how to take pictures? YES

Does it make a difference if you don't? NO

You have to learn how to take a picture and know what subject pleases the voters. Composition, focus, and lighting all play a major roll in taking a great picture, if you do not know about any of these then why would a dslr help? They have nothing to do with the camera...it is the photographer that needs to know these skills.

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