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08/13/2002 01:58:14 PM · #1
Another disqualification AFTER the results are announced???? And the TRACTOR becomes the winner????????????????? U G H.
08/13/2002 02:09:41 PM · #2
Sometimes info doesn't come out until the challenge is over and people talk about their photos. You can read the thread here.
08/13/2002 02:13:15 PM · #3
Originally posted by rvicente:
Another disqualification AFTER the results are announced???? And the TRACTOR becomes the winner????????????????? U G H.

With no submissions to your own credit and an average vote of under 5, I think you are on thin ice criticizing a first place winner. I see nothing wrong with holding up photos that you think were under-rated, but no reason at all to attack a photo that happened to do well. That's mean spirited and has no place here.

Oh to be 23 and know it all again.

08/13/2002 02:58:11 PM · #4
Originally posted by kathleenm:
Originally posted by rvicente:
[i]Another disqualification AFTER the results are announced???? And the TRACTOR becomes the winner????????????????? U G H.


With no submissions to your own credit and an average vote of under 5, I think you are on thin ice criticizing a first place winner. I see nothing wrong with holding up photos that you think were under-rated, but no reason at all to attack a photo that happened to do well. That's mean spirited and has no place here.

Oh to be 23 and know it all again.

[/i]


You put that so well, Kathleenm. Except for the very last sentence. I do believe that there are many people <23 years who have far more tact, humility (and the guts to submit!) than this member.

08/13/2002 03:05:40 PM · #5
I just need to figure out a good photo that shows a pencil AND a tractor ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
08/13/2002 03:14:36 PM · #6
You could take a picture of you drawing a tractor with a pencil.. just as long as it has the right DOF and is really sharp but not to sharp, and is in color,.. bright vivid color
08/13/2002 03:16:11 PM · #7
Originally posted by Ronin:
You could take a picture of you drawing a tractor with a pencil.. just as long as it has the right DOF and is really sharp but not to sharp, and is in color,.. bright vivid color

Nope, you'd get dinged for using colored pencils rather than a standard lead - yellow of course. ;-)
08/13/2002 03:22:31 PM · #8
Oh thats right, those damn rules just keep getting in the way ;)
08/14/2002 10:12:31 AM · #9
skating on thin ice for stating my opinion? Thanks for that mature response. As to my voting average, I call them as I see them and I feel I'm very fair to the photos I vote on. And again, it's all about opinion. I noticed your average vote is only 5.3 so I don't see where you get off criticizing me for that.

Oh to be old and so bitter.


Originally posted by kathleenm:
Originally posted by rvicente:
[i]Another disqualification AFTER the results are announced???? And the TRACTOR becomes the winner????????????????? U G H.


With no submissions to your own credit and an average vote of under 5, I think you are on thin ice criticizing a first place winner. I see nothing wrong with holding up photos that you think were under-rated, but no reason at all to attack a photo that happened to do well. That's mean spirited and has no place here.

Oh to be 23 and know it all again.

[/i]

08/14/2002 11:10:21 AM · #10
Originally posted by Ronin:
You could take a picture of you drawing a tractor with a pencil.. just as long as it has the right DOF and is really sharp but not to sharp, and is in color,.. bright vivid color

You will be disq'd cause you can't enter artwork even if it is your own.
Oh yes you can, there have many many entries of photos of artwork!
Humm----wonder why mine was disqualified?????????????????????????????
08/14/2002 11:12:30 AM · #11
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by Ronin:
[i]You could take a picture of you drawing a tractor with a pencil.. just as long as it has the right DOF and is really sharp but not to sharp, and is in color,.. bright vivid color


You will be disq'd cause you can't enter artwork even if it is your own.
Oh yes you can, there have many many entries of photos of artwork!
Humm----wonder why mine was disqualified?????????????????????????????
[/i]

I would not vote to disqualify such a photo because it is not a literal representation of a work of art.

-Terry
08/14/2002 11:45:53 AM · #12
-it's ok if you vote low, or high, as long as your are constant about your voting...it turns out to the same thing.
-my voting is extremely low...I admit...4.4 or so. That's because I reserve my 10s and 9s for my top 2...and so my scale drops from 1-8...average being 4.5 which is about my average...you can't dismiss someone's vote as "picky" until you ask them HOW they vote.
-The average vote cast for the last challenge was 5.2. The winner's average was only 6.8...that's pretty scarry consdering the last place was a 3. I don't think I'm the only person who votes low and keeps the perfect scores for those extra special pictures.
-you don't need to submit pictures to be able to form an opinion about photography.
-Can't we all get along? :)

My 2 cents.

Stephanie

stephaniedeguire.com

A youth is to be regarded with respect. How do you know that his future will not be equal to our present?
Confucius

08/14/2002 11:53:00 AM · #13
This is what makes the results of the voting so inconclusive here... I'm not complaining about anyone's voting method, because I have my own too.

I think it would be great if there was a guideline for the vote other than 1 = very bad and 1- = very good. The score that comes up at the end of the challenge here is an average of many different voting methodoligies.

If I finish up with a score of 5.0, what does that mean? If the 1 = very bad and 10 = very good scale is interpreted literally, my 5.0 would mean that I have an average photograph. On a scale where all but two or three votes are between 1 and 8, is my 5.0 average still just an 'average' photograp or is it above average?

Currently, the finishing score is just a number :)
08/14/2002 12:01:48 PM · #14
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Currently, the finishing score is just a number :)


That is the most succinct and accurate description of results here I have seen to date :-)
08/14/2002 12:08:59 PM · #15
I agree it is just a number, but I still think the standings reflect what the voters thought..sure...I mean "6" doesn't necessarily mean: hey wow, this is great, or "man, this sucks" but the overall standing still determines which was thought to be the best.
08/14/2002 12:09:01 PM · #16
I didn't say you have to submit to have an opinion. However, submitting a photo is like sending a child out into the world. :-) You do it hoping that some will like it and those that don't will give you *constructive* criticism so that you may improve. I don't believe "UGH" qualifies as constructive. Unless you have the guts to put your work out there for critique, I think your comments should be respectful of those that do. Actually I think comments should be respectful regardless of whether you submit or not.

I saw no point in rvincente repeatedly slamming those two photos, especially since he hasn't shown us that he could have done better.

<steps off soapbox>
08/14/2002 12:14:07 PM · #17
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]This is what makes the results of the voting so inconclusive here... I'm not complaining about anyone's voting method, because I have my own too.

I think it would be great if there was a guideline for the vote other than 1 = very bad and 1- = very good. The score that comes up at the end of the challenge here is an average of many different voting methodoligies.

JM,

I whole-heartedly agree. I am new to the site but I think that it would be beneficial to everyone if there were a guide showing areas to judge and how much each area should weigh in the score given. Also, I think that if a score is given outside of a "mediocre" range like say lower than 4 or higher than 7 then a comment should be given. Perhaps not making it manditory but strongly encouraged.
08/14/2002 12:18:48 PM · #18
Oh dont' get me wrong kathleenm (gee that sounds so impersonal).
I totally agree with you...if you're gonna comment, do it so it's constructive.
I just thought :
"With no submissions to your own credit and an average vote of under 5, I think you are on thin ice criticizing a first place winner. " and "Oh to be 23 and know it all again."
might have been a bit too rough, that's all.

08/14/2002 12:19:18 PM · #19
I would rather not have a comment that is required or suggested. If the voter feels strongly enough, the comment will come :)
08/14/2002 12:25:14 PM · #20
Originally posted by 2ndgear:
I agree it is just a number, but I still think the standings reflect what the voters thought..sure...I mean "6" doesn't necessarily mean: hey wow, this is great, or "man, this sucks" but the overall standing still determines which was thought to be the best.

The vote here is exactly that...the vote HERE :-)

A photogrpaher must determine what his goals are here.

Mine is to have some arbitrary challenge force me to come up with a quirky idea in order to keep me from taking convenient photos. Many of my photos are ideas that could benefit from further exploration, they need refinement.

What that means is the final vote..to me..is less important to me than the comparison of what was submitted..a weekly gallery expo if you will.

When you go to a gallery exhibit they don't give you a voting ballot and say we want you to pick out the best art shown in here. They simply say go in..explore and enjoy.

That is just my one guy view of what this means to me. There are nearly 200 other views and goals each week just as valid :-)



* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 12:24:48 PM.
08/14/2002 12:25:40 PM · #21
Originally posted by 2ndgear:
Oh dont' get me wrong kathleenm (gee that sounds so impersonal).
I totally agree with you...if you're gonna comment, do it so it's constructive.
I just thought :
[i]"With no submissions to your own credit and an average vote of under 5, I think you are on thin ice criticizing a first place winner. "
and "Oh to be 23 and know it all again."
might have been a bit too rough, that's all.[/i]

Yeah, you're right...lol. This week is probably not a good time for me to be responding to those kind of posts. 'Nuff said. :-)



08/14/2002 12:35:13 PM · #22
And I probably took it a little too personally because I happen to be 23 and my vote average is under 5. heh heh.
No harm done.
08/14/2002 01:03:07 PM · #23
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Currently, the finishing score is just a number :)

Awesome!! That means we can go ahead and forego this whole annoying vote process. It was a pain in the ass anyway. I'll set the results this week to random(10), and we'll all get more incoherent numbers!

Drew ;)
08/14/2002 01:08:45 PM · #24
Originally posted by drewmedia:
I'll set the results this week to random(10)

Drew: Please do... for some of us that is our best chance of winning! :-)


In all seriousness, I think the scores do mean something. Your average score is also a reflection of the average of the scales and methods each individual voter used. However, this is truly better than forcing each user to interpret what a "5" should mean to them... or how they define "really bad" or "really good".






* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 1:08:27 PM.

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 1:13:33 PM.
08/14/2002 01:17:22 PM · #25
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Currently, the finishing score is just a number :)


Awesome!! That means we can go ahead and forego this whole annoying vote process. It was a pain in the ass anyway. I'll set the results this week to random(10), and we'll all get more incoherent numbers!

Drew ;)[/i]

:-) Heh...

I think we are just saying it's all relative. The final number of, lets say 7.5 for a winner does not by itself relate to the value of the photo. Nor does a score of 4.2 for a lower finishing photo.

I think John's recent thread involving critiques of top photographers points this out in a way.

Sometimes number scores and challenge minutia are discussed more than photographic or artistic ideas. :-)
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